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Another collision involving a US Naval ship!

truffle — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 01:07:05 GMT

What is happening? The USS John S McCain collided with a merchant vessel.

The U.S. Navy said the guided-missile destroyer USS John S. McCain collided with a merchant vessel in waters east of Singapore and the Strait of Malacca early Monday.

Initial reports indicated that the destroyer sustained damage to her port side aft.

The Navy did not provide any information on injuries, but said search and rescue efforts were underway.

The collision was reported at 6:24 a.m. Japan Standard Time, while the ship was transiting to a routine port visit in Singapore, the Navy said in a statement.

The ship's commander, Alfredo J. Sanchez, is a native of San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Commissioned in 1994, the ship was built at Bath Iron Works in Maine. Its home port is Yokosuka, Japan.

I just read this on MSN homepage.

Re: Another collision involving a US Naval ship!

Kachina624 — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 01:08:08 GMT

I think the Navy is neglecting to teach its captains how to drive those ships. With all the radar and electronic gadgets they have, it's hard to understand how this could happen. Once a captain's ship collides with something, his career is pretty much finished.

Re: Another collision involving a US Naval ship!

truffle — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 01:22:52 GMT

@Kachina624So many strange things happening..Military helicopters falling out of the sky and our naval ships having multiple collisions. Could it be that

a) we have been infiltrated by the enemy

b) our armed forces are no longer the brightest and best in the world

How terribly embarrassing for the US.

How could this be happening???

Re: Another collision involving a US Naval ship!

viva923 — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 01:27:42 GMT

Just told dh about this (retired surface navy sailor). He is familiar with this area but it has been many many years since he sailed there.

Another ship captain,and upper staff careers are toast. It is the CO responsibility to keep the ship a crew safe and if anything happens to the ship or its crew the ultimate responsibility falls on the CO shoulders no one else's.

With all the duty standards 24/7 watches that are on military ships there is some serious flaws that are happening somewhere along the line.

Re: Another collision involving a US Naval ship!

sunshine45 — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 02:05:48 GMT

as of right now, it is being reported that there are 10 sailors missing and 5 injured. prayers for those on the ship and prayers for those anxiously waiting at home for information. prayers also for those that were on the tanker and their families.

Re: Another collision involving a US Naval ship!

momtochloe — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 02:32:43 GMT

Oh goodness this is just terrible news, I am so sorry to hear this. Those poor sailors that are missing or injured, good thoughts and prayers for them and their familes.

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Oznell — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 02:55:40 GMT

Adding my prayers for the missing and their loved ones-- hoping maximum effort is exerted in search and rescue of these brave, brave people...

Re: Another collision involving a US Naval ship!

Sooner — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 02:57:55 GMT

Are we assuming it is the US ship's fault or has that been verified?

Re: Another collision involving a US Naval ship!

truffle — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 03:24:37 GMT

@Sooner wrote:
Are we assuming it is the US ship's fault or has that been verified?

@SoonerThe headlines read, "US Destroyer collides with merchant ship," not merchant ship collides with US Destroyer. Investigation is ongoing.

Re: Another collision involving a US Naval ship!

Sooner — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 03:33:16 GMT

@truffle wrote:
@Sooner wrote:
Are we assuming it is the US ship's fault or has that been verified?

@SoonerThe headlines read, "US Destroyer collides with merchant ship," not merchant ship collides with US Destroyer. Investigation is ongoing.

That really doesn't specify anything.

Re: Another collision involving a US Naval ship!

Kachina624 — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 03:33:33 GMT

@Sooner wrote:
Are we assuming it is the US ship's fault or has that been verified?

@Sooner It's too soon to assign responsibility but it really doesn't matter. If a collision is eminent, even if caused by another ship, evasive action should be taken to avoid it. They have a ton of observers and electronic instrumentation to avoid such calamities but crew has to be awake and attentive to them. The captain is ultimately responsible.

Re: Another collision involving a US Naval ship!

Sooner — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 03:36:43 GMT

@Kachina624 wrote:
@Sooner wrote:
Are we assuming it is the US ship's fault or has that been verified?
@Sooner It's too soon to assign responsibility but it really doesn't matter. If a collision is eminent, even if caused by another ship, evasive action should be taken to avoid it. They have a ton of observers and electronic instrumentation to avoid such calamities but crew has to be awake and attentive to them. The captain is ultimately responsible.

Well, I'm certainly not jumping to conclusions about things like this. Sometimes situations aren't as simply as that. Ships navigate a lot of what other ships are expected to do. It's isn't like these things stop on a dime.

Re: Another collision involving a US Naval ship!

SydneyH — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 03:38:55 GMT

@Sooner wrote:
@Kachina624 wrote:
@Sooner wrote:
Are we assuming it is the US ship's fault or has that been verified?
@Sooner It's too soon to assign responsibility but it really doesn't matter. If a collision is eminent, even if caused by another ship, evasive action should be taken to avoid it. They have a ton of observers and electronic instrumentation to avoid such calamities but crew has to be awake and attentive to them. The captain is ultimately responsible.
Well, I'm certainly not jumping to conclusions about things like this. Sometimes situations aren't as simply as that. Ships navigate a lot of what other ships are expected to do. It's isn't like these things stop on a dime.

Me neither, and for the record, we can't or shouldn't assume everyone was asleep.

Re: Another collision involving a US Naval ship!

ms traditional — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 09:21:33 GMT

prayers up. and let's wait for details - although for the last one involving U S S Fitzgerald all we really know is that the ship's captain and exec crew were relieved of duty due to serious mistakes. i did hear it reported that they stopped an instruction program of ship driving etc a few years back but i know no details we'll see if there are changes made.

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meallen616 — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 09:31:26 GMT

Re: Another collision involving a US Naval ship!

RainCityWoman — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 15:28:37 GMT

It is a tragedy in that people are trapped and drowned. It may be an anomaly, but how many other times has this happened in the history of the navy? Seems odd that there have been two in a short period of time and they were both avoidable and not in combat.

Re: Another collision involving a US Naval ship!

RainCityWoman — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 15:30:15 GMT

@truffle wrote:
@Kachina624So many strange things happening..Military helicopters falling out of the sky and our naval ships having multiple collisions. Could it be that

a) we have been infiltrated by the enemy

b) our armed forces are no longer the brightest and best in the world

How terribly embarrassing for the US.

How could this be happening???

Or perhaps our military makes up 1% of the population but must bear responsibility for our entire security in a myriad of places, spreading themselves thin and over worked.

Re: Another collision involving a US Naval ship!

Plaid Pants2 — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 15:32:25 GMT

A ship is captained or piloted, NOT driven.

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game-on — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 15:35:01 GMT

I wonder if the instruments have been hacked? Two of these incidents happening with ships and so many other military problems.... I am wondering if the computers are not secure??

Re: Another collision involving a US Naval ship!

sunshine45 — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:33:11 GMT

@RainCityWoman wrote:
It is a tragedy in that people are trapped and drowned. It may be an anomaly, but how many other times has this happened in the history of the navy? Seems odd that there have been two in a short period of time and they were both avoidable and not in combat.

actually, isnt it strange that FOUR navy warships have been involved in accidents during 2017......and all in asia?