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Fissure Filled Rubies?

fortune — Fri, 21 Apr 2017 22:58:06 GMT

I wonder why QVC doesn't specify if their rubies are fissure filled. Other shopping channels almost always include this info. It isn't because QVC doesn't sell them. I called Customer Service and they asked me to specify which ruby ring I was talking about so she could check it out for me. . .

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Drythe — Fri, 21 Apr 2017 23:10:40 GMT

@fortune

Did you ever find out? Most anyone purchasing a ruby, or any other stone, would want to know.

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Kachina624 — Fri, 21 Apr 2017 23:26:55 GMT

Chuck Clemency has been selling a lot of rubies and I haven't heard him mention it. I've also bought them from Michael Vallatuti and didn't hear him mention it either,

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MarkeieMark — Fri, 21 Apr 2017 23:54:36 GMT

You can add composite turqoise from the 'rock hound' Jay King.

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Irshgrl31201 — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 00:00:07 GMT

I don't know about lately because I get no jewelry from here anymore but if they aren't telling you things like that, there is a reason why. I find most of their gemstones to be subpar.

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SilleeMee — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 00:06:39 GMT

Assume all stones are treated unless it specifically states that they are "natural and untreated".

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Annabellethecat66 — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 00:15:03 GMT

Jay King always says on HSN that his stones are NOT treated at all in any way.

Of course the have weird names and are big and I don't care for them, but he says they aren't treated.

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Moonchilde — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 02:44:54 GMT

Most rubies available at anywhere near an affordable price, and emeralds as well, are treated up the wazoo in one way or another, cracks filled and/or heat treated and a couple of lesser known treatments as well.

I wouldn't consider any rubies or emeralds, or most sapphires sold on QVC, HSN or JTV as valuable, and even the best of them are largely opaque in larger stones. The colors and quality of emeralds on these shows blow me away that anyone would want those pale, inclusion-packed stones.

Anything I would want to wear, ruby-wise, would be close to tens of thousands - so, ain't gonna happen unless I start buying those Lotto tickets.

This is a 1 ct loose stone for $5000; it's the kind of color and clarity I'd want.

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IamMrsG — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 02:31:44 GMT

Irshgrl31201 wrote: I don't know about lately because I get no jewelry from here anymore but if they aren't telling you things like that, there is a reason why. I find most of their gemstones to be subpar.

To expound on that valid point, you can be sure they would shout it from the rafters if their stones were untreated and clean. It would be a major selling point.

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Moonchilde — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 02:39:08 GMT

While I was googling Ruby treatments, a jewelry/gem auction page discussing treatment said that less than 1% of rubies that make it to marked are untreated in any way. So for all intents and purposes, none of us will probably ever even see one.

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IamMrsG — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 03:04:42 GMT

Although it is a very common practice, I personally think it is unethical to withhold information that a stone has been filled. It is one thing to heat treat a gem to intensify its color and clarity; however, fissures (cracks) are serious flaws. Glass fillings are not stable and can be jarred loose by exposure to sudden temperature changes, sonic cleanings or by being dropped.

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Moonchilde — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 03:51:14 GMT

@IamMrsG wrote:
Although it is a very common practice, I personally think it is unethical to withhold information that a stone has been filled. It is one thing to heat treat a gem to intensify its color and clarity; however, fissures (cracks) are serious flaws. Glass fillings are not stable and can be jarred loose by exposure to sudden temperature changes, sonic cleanings or by being dropped.

We must be reading the same info - I just read all the same. I was like wow and ugh about the glass. Unhappy surprise after a cleaning.

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songbird — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 11:08:36 GMT

Said this before. Get a GIA lab report with each ruby.

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Shelbelle — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 14:48:58 GMT

On the Evine site it says on the product pages for Chuck's pieces the stones are enhanced or filled.

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depglass — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 15:12:21 GMT

If you want to try some inexpensive fissure-filled rubies, go to Shop LC. You will get an idea of what they are like without taking out another mortgage.

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Q4u — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 15:28:54 GMT

@IamMrsG wrote:
Although it is a very common practice, I personally think it is unethical to withhold information that a stone has been filled. It is one thing to heat treat a gem to intensify its color and clarity; however, fissures (cracks) are serious flaws. Glass fillings are not stable and can be jarred loose by exposure to sudden temperature changes, sonic cleanings or by being dropped.

Speaking of sonic cleanings, it seems that no jewelry store will bother with doing any other kind of cleaning. I purchased an Affinity ring that is made up of tiny, tiny multi row paved diamonds. As expected one fell out. I took it to the local jeweler and they replaced the micro-diamond and then used a sonic cleaner to clean the crud left behind from the repair. On the way home I lost another micro diamond~! Took it back to the jewelers and asked them to repair the new loss and not use a Sonic Cleaner! Said they won't do that, that there's no other way to clean the ring once the repair is done.....

Oh really.... what on earth did Jeweler's do prior to the invention of the Sonic Cleaner in the 1930's??

Needless to say, it'll probably be my last micro-pave' purchase (and these type of rings are everywhere.)

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chickenbutt — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 15:50:36 GMT

I would like to think that if they are fissure-filled that it would be disclosed. That only seems right.

I have heard that on other channels which, of course, is a huge turn off. Fissure-filled is just because the quality of the stone was so bad that the only way to make it saleable was to do this.

I love good quality rubies and remember back when Evine was ValueVision and they sold THE best quality fine jewelry and loose stones. I have a number of loose Burmese rubies from the Ramseys, as well as some pieces including a pair of 18k gold Burmese ruby stud earrines that are positively stunning.

These days, I guess quality is too expensive for the shopping channel targeted audience and now, even the now-called Evine sells more costume than fine jewelry. Glad I'm not shopping fine jewelry anymore.

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Trinity11 — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 15:52:58 GMT

@songbird wrote:
Said this before. Get a GIA lab report with each ruby.

I agree but unless the consumer is purchasing something expensive, GIA rarely provide that information....in fact GIA does not grade rubies.

Fortunoff refuse to carry fissure filled rubies and I own a few of their rings and earrings. They also refuse to carry diffused sapphires because the color often breaks down over time.

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Trinity11 — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 15:54:53 GMT

@Q4u wrote:
@IamMrsG wrote:
Although it is a very common practice, I personally think it is unethical to withhold information that a stone has been filled. It is one thing to heat treat a gem to intensify its color and clarity; however, fissures (cracks) are serious flaws. Glass fillings are not stable and can be jarred loose by exposure to sudden temperature changes, sonic cleanings or by being dropped.

Speaking of sonic cleanings, it seems that no jewelry store will bother with doing any other kind of cleaning. I purchased an Affinity ring that is made up of tiny, tiny multi row paved diamonds. As expected one fell out. I took it to the local jeweler and they replaced the micro-diamond and then used a sonic cleaner to clean the crud left behind from the repair. On the way home I lost another micro diamond~! Took it back to the jewelers and asked them to repair the new loss and not use a Sonic Cleaner! Said they won't do that, that there's no other way to clean the ring once the repair is done.....

Oh really.... what on earth did Jeweler's do prior to the invention of the Sonic Cleaner in the 1930's??

Needless to say, it'll probably be my last micro-pave' purchase (and these type of rings are everywhere.)

I had the same issue with a bracelet made in China that had diamonds in it. The quality of workmanship is far different than the goods coming out of Italy. I would never again buy anything from China in the way of jewelry due to frequent issues with the pave diamond work.

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esmeraldagooch — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 16:07:11 GMT

@Q4u wrote:
@IamMrsG wrote:
Although it is a very common practice, I personally think it is unethical to withhold information that a stone has been filled. It is one thing to heat treat a gem to intensify its color and clarity; however, fissures (cracks) are serious flaws. Glass fillings are not stable and can be jarred loose by exposure to sudden temperature changes, sonic cleanings or by being dropped.

Speaking of sonic cleanings, it seems that no jewelry store will bother with doing any other kind of cleaning. I purchased an Affinity ring that is made up of tiny, tiny multi row paved diamonds. As expected one fell out. I took it to the local jeweler and they replaced the micro-diamond and then used a sonic cleaner to clean the crud left behind from the repair. On the way home I lost another micro diamond~! Took it back to the jewelers and asked them to repair the new loss and not use a Sonic Cleaner! Said they won't do that, that there's no other way to clean the ring once the repair is done.....

Oh really.... what on earth did Jeweler's do prior to the invention of the Sonic Cleaner in the 1930's??

Needless to say, it'll probably be my last micro-pave' purchase (and these type of rings are everywhere.)

There is a list of gemstone that should not be used in ultrasonic cleaners, we had the list mounted above the machine. Yes, you can clean them with a soft tooth brush or cloth and blow the debris with a steam cleaner.