topic Re: “Ochre” in Q Talk

“Ochre”

Gkhm — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 12:46:16 GMT

Who finally helped Courtney with her pronunciation of "OCHRE"? I noticed it was correct the last time I heard her. Good job!

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skatting44 — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 13:56:02 GMT

@Gkhm

now she needs help with pronouncing Gardenia ( gaar -dee- nyuh )

instead of Gar-den-ya

SK needs help with Camelia ( kuh-mee-lee-uh ) . Noticed that during Tatcha show she presented

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Imaoldhippie — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 13:56:05 GMT

Who cares?

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depglass — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 14:18:12 GMT

I don't particularly care about these specific "errors," but I am concerned about the gradual deterioration of the English language in general. I am a compulsive "proof reader" while listening to TV. What bugs me most is subject-object agreement. "They sent that letter to both Sam and I." It's Sam and me. Take out the named person, "they sent that letter to me": not "they sent that letter to I. Too picky? All I can say is a couple English teachers in heaven are smiling down on me. Eventually we will all be communicating and spelling at a first grade level.

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Patriot3 — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 15:48:21 GMT

@depglass wrote:
I don't particularly care about these specific "errors," but I am concerned about the gradual deterioration of the English language in general. I am a compulsive "proof reader" while listening to TV. What bugs me most is subject-object agreement. "They sent that letter to both Sam and I." It's Sam and me. Take out the named person, "they sent that letter to me": not "they sent that letter to I. Too picky? All I can say is a couple English teachers in heaven are smiling down on me. Eventually we will all be communicating and spelling at a first grade level.

@depglass Oh my gosh, you took the words right out of my mouth! I had an old spinster for an English teacher and she was a stickler. Thanks to her, I learned a lot and now I cringe at how the English language has been butchered!! And spelling, too! I do the same thing at the TV!

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Sooner — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 15:58:01 GMT

For many years, proof reading was part of my job. Lucky for me howeve, it is something I can turn on and off. When I am reading for me, for information or pleasure, I rarely see mistakes.

I would hate to go through life picking out mistakes when I read. I love reading too much! I should apply that to people too. . .

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on the bay — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 16:13:43 GMT

Well jeez, I always prounounced it wrong too, as if it was a french word-like o kra.

But even though its prounounced differently in Britain and the US and France, I guess no country pronounces it like I always have. Oh well. ( I still like the way I say it best!😄)

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1OldBroad — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 16:40:01 GMT

I am in total agreement. I hear misuse of English language all the time -- on the news, on shopping channels, talk shows, friends, etc. I bite my tongue as I do not want to offend someone by correcting them. I wonder how English is being taught in schools now.

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tends2dogs — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 16:49:07 GMT

With all the new "curriculum" being allowed in the schools today, I doubt they get to English, spelling and grammar. They have already left cursive by the wayside.

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millieshops — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 17:29:44 GMT

At the very least, any language used my many people changes, and it changes much more and much faster now than ever before in history.

But some of what we were taught in HS in my day was already out of date by the time I was a college freshman. I know that because on one of the early papers my first writing teacher returned to me, he had written a suggestion I should get a copy of Strunk and White's Elements of Style.

I have absolutely no idea what the assignment had been, but I do know that "It is I" had already changed to "It is me" except in the very most formal of uses. That was 1959; English had already changed dramatically in the centuries since Shakespeare wrote, but changes that took centuries then happen seemingly overnight now.

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Sooner — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 17:35:44 GMT

There is a difference between changes in language and being ignorant and happy with it. But then being ignorant doesn't make you a less than person, it just means you don't know a lot of things that come from school.

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HLP — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 17:43:24 GMT

@Patriot3 wrote:
@depglass wrote:
I don't particularly care about these specific "errors," but I am concerned about the gradual deterioration of the English language in general. I am a compulsive "proof reader" while listening to TV. What bugs me most is subject-object agreement. "They sent that letter to both Sam and I." It's Sam and me. Take out the named person, "they sent that letter to me": not "they sent that letter to I. Too picky? All I can say is a couple English teachers in heaven are smiling down on me. Eventually we will all be communicating and spelling at a first grade level.
@depglass Oh my gosh, you took the words right out of my mouth! I had an old spinster for an English teacher and she was a stickler. Thanks to her, I learned a lot and now I cringe at how the English language has been butchered!! And spelling, too! I do the same thing at the TV!

I was an English teacher.

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Effie54 — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 18:09:49 GMT

@Imaoldhippie wrote:
Who cares?

I know, right??! Why is there constant comments about correcting what a host says or how they pronounce something? Good grief!

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QVCkitty1 — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 20:09:12 GMT

I don't lose sleep over the host's mistakes, however in their place I would be embarrassed to learn that I was mispronouncing a word on national television. It would be a kindness if someone would gently point out the problem so they could correct it. It's never too late to learn and improve . YouTube has videos on how to pronounce many words, it is no shame not to know how, but it is ignorant to not try and improve. JMO

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vcvc — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 22:39:46 GMT

I agree.That also irritates me....or should I say I .I hear intelligent people say I and I cringe. I realize this is very petty -there are other things in this world to consider. I am retired and have extra time to consider these petty things.

Please forgive me to all the people who are offended.

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Spurt — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 22:53:52 GMT

@depglass wrote:
I don't particularly care about these specific "errors," but I am concerned about the gradual deterioration of the English language in general. I am a compulsive "proof reader" while listening to TV. What bugs me most is subject-object agreement. "They sent that letter to both Sam and I." It's Sam and me. Take out the named person, "they sent that letter to me": not "they sent that letter to I. Too picky? All I can say is a couple English teachers in heaven are smiling down on me. Eventually we will all be communicating and spelling at a first grade level.

@depglass

pretty soon people will be using only emojis and "netspeak" to communicate......

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elated — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 22:56:36 GMT

The English language has been deteriorating for a long time. We want to simplify everything i.e. DD, DDS etc. Who knows what half these terms reference!! It is sad we have lost all communication skills. Sometimes, I think the aliens have entered our universe and are taking over!!🤔

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Spurt — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 23:02:48 GMT

Then when the hosts talk about gemstones---

chal·ced·o·ny-- is the stumbling block....

/kalˈsednēe

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september — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 23:10:28 GMT

I hear the shopping channel hosting jobs are very competitive. Therefore, I would think being able to pronounce common words properly, would be a part of the job requirements.

There are going to be words that are new to the hosts. Don't they have prep time prior to their shows, where this is covered?

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Spurt — Sun, 05 Jun 2022 00:39:39 GMT

@september wrote:
I hear the shopping channel hosting jobs are very competitive. Therefore, I would think being able to pronounce common words properly, would be a part of the job requirements.

There are going to be words that are new to the hosts. Don't they have prep time prior to their shows, where this is covered?

@september

David and Leah talk about phone calls they conduct to meet with vendors to talk about the products they will be presenting in the show....and they also have a production meeting....and then Leah says they also have "office time" to read emails and such.....

Now these hosts are always well prepared and I dont know if the others follow that same routine, but they should, because unpreparedness stands out like a sore thumb!