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Moderate Tea Drinking May Help Reduce Cardiac Risk

Noel7 — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:55:01 GMT

A report from Medscape.Com

"Moderate tea drinking can help to slow progression of coronary artery calcium and reduce the risk of cardiovascular events..."

"We found that being a regular tea drinker was associated with a lower prevalence and progression of coronary artery calcium and a lower incidence of cardiovascular events," first author Dr P Elliott Miller (National Institutes of Health) told heartwire from Medscape."

"Our study supports regular tea consumption as part of a heart-healthy diet as recommended by the American Heart Association."

The results were published online September 15, 2016 in the American Journal of Medicine.

Note: The same was not true for coffee, coffee was found to be a neutral.

Re: Moderate Tea Drinking May Help Reduce Cardiac Risk

Mz iMac — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:58:11 GMT

I am a regular hot & ice tea drinker. I make my ice tea w/tea bags. Never that powder stuff.

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ChynnaBlue — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:14:11 GMT

Did they define moderate tea drinking? Because without that, this is kind of meaningless.

I drink a lot of tea, iced and hot, and have added more herbal (no tea leaves) infusions into the mix because too much tea gave one guy liver disease. He drank a gallon of iced black tea every day. In the Texas summers, I was getting up there some days, so that's when I switched to added more herbal tea.

http://wgntv.com/2015/04/02/too-much-iced-tea-caused-arkansas-mans-kidney-problems/

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Noel7 — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:18:15 GMT

@Mz iMac wrote:
I am a regular hot & ice tea drinker. I make my ice tea w/tea bags. Never that powder stuff.

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Hi @Mz iMac

I am, too. I drink tea several times a day, usually a black tea in the morning and green tea at night.

Re: Moderate Tea Drinking May Help Reduce Cardiac Risk

Noel7 — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:24:54 GMT

@ChynnaBlue wrote:
Did they define moderate tea drinking? Because without that, this is kind of meaningless.

I drink a lot of tea, iced and hot, and have added more herbal (no tea leaves) infusions into the mix because too much tea gave one guy liver disease. He drank a gallon of iced black tea every day. In the Texas summers, I was getting up there some days, so that's when I switched to added more herbal tea.

http://wgntv.com/2015/04/02/too-much-iced-tea-caused-arkansas-mans-kidney-problems/

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Obviously it's not meaningless because the source is given and since the American Heart Association says the same thing, it's easy for anyone to look into for details.

I looked into more of the report for you:

"In adjusted multivariable models, participants who drank one or more cups of tea a day had a lower prevalence of coronary artery calcium scores of 100 or higher compared with people who drank no tea (relative risk 0.64). People who drank one or more cups of tea a day also had reduced progression of coronary artery calcium (RR 0.73)."

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Mz iMac — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:28:58 GMT

@ChynnaBlue

"too much tea gave one guy liver disease."

"I switched to added more herbal tea."

Your comments made me do some Google research. Lead me to the following links:

Too Much Green Tea Could Lead to Liver Damage?

Five surprising herbs that can damage your liver

I only drink lemon tea. Sometimes I add cream or milk to it = Pearl Tea.

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Mj12 — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:29:17 GMT

Hi @Noel7 ! Good news for us! I love tea (English Breakfast).

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Noel7 — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:31:36 GMT

@ChynnaBlue

Your link refers to a man who routinely drank a gallon of tea a day.

I wouldn't call that moderate, even without a study reference.

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feline groovy — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 19:55:30 GMT

Thanks for sharing, Noel.

Tea - especially green - is high in antioxidants, which are healthy and helpful.

I have HBP and hypercalcemia, so this is good news.

Thankfully, I've been a tea drinker and lover since I was a kid.

Don't like the taste of coffee (I know, whaaat?! LOL) but I enjoy the smell when it's brewing.

ETA:

I drink black, green, white, & herbal, but have to watch my caffeine intake.

So I usually have caffeinated in the AM, decaf in the afternoon, and herbal at night.

@Noel7, we share 'fun and exciting' kidney stone (mine, bilateral) and autoimmune (mine Fibro.) history. ;-)

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Noel7 — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:38:51 GMT

It's a good idea for all of us to do more research in order to make an informed decision for ourselves.

I had two large kidney stones more than ten years ago and two lithotripsies. I didn't drink tea then, but I do now, no signs of any developing now.

I have lupus which can directly lead to heart attacks by depositing plaque into the heart. I've had two heart attacks in seven years which, I am told, beat the odds of it happening more frequently.

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Noel7 — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:41:17 GMT

@feline groovy wrote:
Thanks for sharing, Noel.

Tea - especially green - is high in antioxidants, which are healthy and helpful.
I have HBP and hypercalcemia, so this is good news.

Thankfully, I've been a tea drinker and lover since I was a kid.
Don't like the taste of coffee ( I know, whaaat?! LOL) but I enjoy the smell when it's brewing.

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Hi @feline groovy

I drink one cup of coffee a day at lunch. I really look forward to it but I know quite a few people who don't like coffee

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SilleeMee — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:54:21 GMT

I drink one matcha tea a day. It has 5 g of pure matcha powder and gives me energy and focus all day. That is the only kind of tea I consume. It's benefits go way back in history.

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QVCkitty1 — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:54:30 GMT

I have been a tea drinker, ( hot and cold ) my whole adult life. It make me so happy that something that I actually enjoy may be good for me. I never could developed a taste for coffee, but I love my tea.

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ChynnaBlue — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 19:02:48 GMT

@Mz iMac wrote:
@ChynnaBlue
"too much tea gave one guy liver disease."
"I switched to added more herbal tea."

Your comments made me do some Google research. Lead me to the following links:
Too Much Green Tea Could Lead to Liver Damage?

Five surprising herbs that can damage your liver

I only drink lemon tea. Sometimes I add cream or milk to it = Pearl Tea.

None of those are surprising to me. True herbal tea has no tea, not green, white, or black. (They're all from the same plant - the tea plant.) You always have to know what's going on with herbs described as medicinal and it pays to read labels. Things like Raspberry Zinger don't contain any of those herbs.

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feline groovy — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 19:06:24 GMT

My turn to recommend something, @SilleeMee.

'Kirkland Ito En Matcha Blend Japanese Green Tea' from Costco.

You can get it there in-person, on their website, on Amazon, and on Ebay.

It's a tasty mix of Japanese Matcha tea and Chinese Sencha tea.

I'm thinking that your enjoymment of matcha just might be inherited, huh?

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ChynnaBlue — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 19:08:42 GMT

@Noel7 wrote:
@ChynnaBlue wrote:
Did they define moderate tea drinking? Because without that, this is kind of meaningless.

I drink a lot of tea, iced and hot, and have added more herbal (no tea leaves) infusions into the mix because too much tea gave one guy liver disease. He drank a gallon of iced black tea every day. In the Texas summers, I was getting up there some days, so that's when I switched to added more herbal tea.

http://wgntv.com/2015/04/02/too-much-iced-tea-caused-arkansas-mans-kidney-problems/
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Obviously it's not meaningless because the source is given and since the American Heart Association says the same thing, it's easy for anyone to look into for details.

I looked into more of the report for you:

"In adjusted multivariable models, participants who drank one or more cups of tea a day had a lower prevalence of coronary artery calcium scores of 100 or higher compared with people who drank no tea (relative risk 0.64). People who drank one or more cups of tea a day also had reduced progression of coronary artery calcium (RR 0.73)."

The study seems top indicate that one cup of tea is moderate. I'd almost call that minimal over moderate.

Any reason you chose to quote the study multiple times without linking? I'm not asking to be snarky, just wondering about your reason.

Here's the link: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/869038

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SilleeMee — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 19:27:38 GMT

@feline groovy wrote:
My turn to recommend something, @SilleeMee.

'Kirkland Ito En Matcha Blend Japanese Green Tea' from Costco.
You can get it there in-person, on their website, on Amazon, and on Ebay.

It's a tasty mix of Japanese Matcha tea and Chinese Sencha tea.
I'm thinking that your enjoymment of matcha just might be inherited, huh?

Arigato gozaimasu @feline groovy,

Gonna have to check out that Kirkland stuff! I don't shop at Costco but I think I saw it on jet dot com's site. Is the tea liquid in a can like this?

I think my blood is green. The other half of me is Irish...LOL!

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SeaMaiden — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 19:17:07 GMT

So was this study done with black tea? green Tea? Herbal tea?

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Noel7 — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 19:27:53 GMT

@ChynnaBlue wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
@ChynnaBlue wrote:
Did they define moderate tea drinking? Because without that, this is kind of meaningless.

I drink a lot of tea, iced and hot, and have added more herbal (no tea leaves) infusions into the mix because too much tea gave one guy liver disease. He drank a gallon of iced black tea every day. In the Texas summers, I was getting up there some days, so that's when I switched to added more herbal tea.

http://wgntv.com/2015/04/02/too-much-iced-tea-caused-arkansas-mans-kidney-problems/
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Obviously it's not meaningless because the source is given and since the American Heart Association says the same thing, it's easy for anyone to look into for details.

I looked into more of the report for you:

"In adjusted multivariable models, participants who drank one or more cups of tea a day had a lower prevalence of coronary artery calcium scores of 100 or higher compared with people who drank no tea (relative risk 0.64). People who drank one or more cups of tea a day also had reduced progression of coronary artery calcium (RR 0.73)."

The study seems top indicate that one cup of tea is moderate. I'd almost call that minimal over moderate.

Any reason you chose to quote the study multiple times without linking? I'm not asking to be snarky, just wondering about your reason.

Here's the link: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/869038

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If you found it and can get it, go for it.

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hckynut — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 19:38:15 GMT

Remember Wine was Good before it was Bad. And then it was Bad after it was Good. Coffee too, at one time or another, followed the same scenario. Now it's tea, is it Green Tea, or just regular ole tea? Don't drink much coffee, but ain't gonna give up my 1, maybe 2 cups per day?

I could go back through massive records I have kept for reference points(studies), pre and post heart attacks, and am sure I can find many studies that are exactly the same concept. It's bad/it's good and on and on and!

With my health background/age and knowledge of Heart Disease, I am beyond giving much credence to most studies that seem to pop up regularly. My belief is it has more to do with what a person eats/exercises, and their genetics.

Everyone believe what you will about these Good before they are Bad, before they are once again Good studies about what to drink. My heart attacks had almost everything to do with genetics and little to nothing to do with what I chose to drink.

I drink neither tea or wine, and have never drank tea, but there was a time, when Boone's Farm was my choice of booze. That was long, long ago. Quit alcohol/meat/ fish and fowl back in the mid 1970's, plan to continue this for the rest of my days.

hckynut(john)