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Heart Attacks: Plant-Based Diet Exercise Solution

sidsmom — Fri, 25 Mar 2016 01:24:09 GMT

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/average-age-for-deadliest-type-of-heart-attack-getting-younger-study-651827267623

"Every 43 seconds someone in America has a heart attack and increasingly that person is younger. A new study from the Cleveland Clinic says the average age for the deadliest type of heart attack has dropped from 64 to 60 because alarmingly well known risk factors are on the rise including smoking, high blood pressure, obesity and diabetes. Mistaken belief the pills can solve everything. "It is the false idea that taking medications for cholesterol and taking appropriate medication is enough and lifestyle changes are not required."

This NBC Nightly New report also highlighted Trisha, who was 95 lb overweight, developed diabetes, had heart bypass...but wasn't until she had 8 stents put in her heart that she got scared. She started exercising, adopted a Plant-Based diet, is no longer diabetic & from 13 pills a day to 1/2 pill.

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dex — Fri, 25 Mar 2016 01:34:09 GMT

I just saw that on our news channel also.I am happy for her that she is able to get well after all the abuse her body has been through.I didn't think your body could recover from some of her ailments but that proves how miraculous we are if we just take care of ourselves with good diet and exercise.

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HappyDaze — Fri, 25 Mar 2016 01:41:36 GMT

Did you know that they are finding that alot of heart attacks are due to chronic inflammation due to diseases like RA, psoriasis, etc. This is especially true in younger patients and for patients that don't have an other risk factors.

When my husband was in the hospital, they had 4 heart attack victims come in that weekend- two under the age of 40 and two in their early 40's. They have never had that many young heart attack patients in a matter of a few days.

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Ibby114 — Fri, 25 Mar 2016 01:44:13 GMT

The heart is unfortunately not very forgiving. Through diet and exercsie you can only strengthen the card you've been dealt.

I've read that vegan diets can help reverse blockages and other issues (Dean Ornish) , your ldl needs to get super low. I eat very little red meat as it is, but I'm not ready to give up all meats!

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Ibby114 — Fri, 25 Mar 2016 01:47:19 GMT

@HappyDaze wrote:
Did you know that they are finding that alot of heart attacks are due to chronic inflammation due to diseases like RA, psoriasis, etc. This is especially true in younger patients and for patients that don't have an other risk factors.

When my husband was in the hospital, they had 4 heart attack victims come in that weekend- two under the age of 40 and two in their early 40's. They have never had that many young heart attack patients in a matter of a few days.

There's even a connection between heart disease and dental hygiene.

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sidsmom — Fri, 25 Mar 2016 02:00:08 GMT

@dex wrote:
I just saw that on our news channel also.I am happy for her that she is able to get well after all the abuse her body has been through.I didn't think your body could recover from some of her ailments but that proves how miraculous we are if we just take care of ourselves with good diet and exercise.

That's true. But it's not just a "good" diet...it has to be the RIGHT diet.

Like I've mentioned in numerous threads, moderation kills. And if you have heart disease, there's no such thing as 'good' cholesterol or 'good' fats.

Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, formerly of the Cleveland Clinic, is the Gold Standard of heart disease reversal.

For optimum health...and especially be 'heart attack proof',

a low fat, whole foods, plant based diet with no oil is a necessity.

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HappyDaze — Fri, 25 Mar 2016 02:19:29 GMT

@Ibby114 wrote:
@HappyDaze wrote:
Did you know that they are finding that alot of heart attacks are due to chronic inflammation due to diseases like RA, psoriasis, etc. This is especially true in younger patients and for patients that don't have an other risk factors.

When my husband was in the hospital, they had 4 heart attack victims come in that weekend- two under the age of 40 and two in their early 40's. They have never had that many young heart attack patients in a matter of a few days.
There's even a connection between heart disease and dental hygiene.

Yes this is true and includes chronic inflammation due to gum disease. See the connection?

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PINKdogWOOD — Fri, 25 Mar 2016 10:26:41 GMT

I believe we all really know that exercise and a good diet is the best answer for all of us in having good health.

I've been on a roll to clean up my own diet habits, I've begun working out again, don't eat bread/sandwiches anymore like I was. I'm now into eating a hard boiled egg each day, drinking Kefir each day, no lunchtime sandwiches, having a bowl of good grains/nuts cereal, and also enjoying kimchee as a good probiotic. I eat even more fruits & veggies.

Our dinners are better consisting of just veggies and/or a big salad with our white meats because I at least do not/cannot eat red meat anymore. I've stopped red meats a long time ago, they don't at all ease through my system. I will serve a steak to my husband every so often but that too is rare for him. Lucky for each of us the only prescription drug we take is for our blood pressure. We certainly intend to not be on any more drugs than that.

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violann — Fri, 25 Mar 2016 10:38:22 GMT

Great thread! I too find the concept of "moderation" to be really unhelpful.

STRUCTURE has made a major difference in my life, and by removing most decision making, I'm able to maintain AND enjoy what works best for me.

We all have to be participants in our own health. One thing that definitely DOESN'T work is waiting u til tomorrow.

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Ibby114 — Fri, 25 Mar 2016 14:03:56 GMT

@violann wrote:
Great thread! I too find the concept of "moderation" to be really unhelpful.
STRUCTURE has made a major difference in my life, and by removing most decision making, I'm able to maintain AND enjoy what works best for me.
We all have to be participants in our own health. One thing that definitely DOESN'T work is waiting u til tomorrow.

Yep, depending on your level of denial, 'moderation' can be interpreted many ways!!!

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Lipstickdiva — Fri, 25 Mar 2016 14:49:27 GMT

The leading cause of death among women is heart disease.

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sidsmom — Fri, 25 Mar 2016 17:33:05 GMT

@PINKdogWOOD wrote:
I've been on a roll to clean up my own diet habits, I've begun working out again, don't eat bread/sandwiches anymore like I was. I'm now into eating a hard boiled egg each day, drinking Kefir each day, no lunchtime sandwiches, having a bowl of good grains/nuts cereal, and also enjoying kimchee as a good probiotic. I eat even more fruits & veggies.

Our dinners are better consisting of just veggies and/or a big salad with our white meats because I at least do not/cannot eat red meat anymore. I've stopped red meats a long time ago, they don't at all ease through my system. I will serve a steak to my husband every so often but that too is rare for him. Lucky for each of us the only prescription drug we take is for our blood pressure. We certainly intend to not be on any more drugs than that.

@PINKdogWOOD

Oooo...you have a lot of good stuff here! But to remove your HP med, replace your animal products (eggs, kefir, ALL meats including 'white' meat & fish) with beans, legumes, more starches & no oils.

Eating a low fat plant based diet for a short time results in a QUICK drop in blood pressure. It's not uncommon at all to eliminate medication within a week/2.

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butterfly123 — Fri, 25 Mar 2016 21:23:28 GMT

@sidsmom wrote:
@dex wrote:
I just saw that on our news channel also.I am happy for her that she is able to get well after all the abuse her body has been through.I didn't think your body could recover from some of her ailments but that proves how miraculous we are if we just take care of ourselves with good diet and exercise.
That's true. But it's not just a "good" diet...it has to be the RIGHT diet.

Like I've mentioned in numerous threads, moderation kills. And if you have heart disease, there's no such thing as 'good' cholesterol or 'good' fats.

Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, formerly of the Cleveland Clinic, is the Gold Standard of heart disease reversal.

For optimum health...and especially be 'heart attack proof',
a low fat, whole foods, plant based diet with no oil is a necessity.

Dr. Esselstyn's book is a fascinating and informative read. I also recommend his work and research.

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sidsmom — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 13:50:44 GMT

@MaggieMack

I wanted to add this conversation about Jim Fixx to this thread, as well. I could write books on the ill effects of improper exercise....especially improper exercise with improper diet (read: Crossfit/Paleo craze).

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I loved that you brought up Jim Fixx. Yes, he did wonders for the exercise/running community. But it just clearly shows, you can't out-exercise a bad diet....or out-exercise a "everything in moderation" diet.

Fixx thought as long as you didn't smoke, you were good. Never was he quoted as a proponent of a plant based diet. At that time, plants were garnering lots of attention...if he was practicing a plant based diet, he was outspoken enough to say so....no mention.

Nathan Pritikin, a current day pioneer for the low fat plant message, wrote a book called 'Diet for Runners', with a chapter called "Run and Die on the American Diet" and Fixx had issues with the content & met with Pritikin. John Robbins wrote a short piece about their conversation:

"Jim Fixx thought that a healthy diet wasn’t that important. He believed that if you don’t smoke and if you exercise sufficiently, you are protected against heart disease.

Fixx knew that his father had died of a heart attack at age 43. But he believed that exercise (and the improved circulation it generates) would be an adequate defense. He thought that as long as he ran daily and didn’t smoke, he would stay healthy and avoid his father’s fate.

Jim didn’t just ignore expert advice that he needed to eat more healthfully. He went out of his way to forcefully criticize those who offered such advice. At the time, probably the world’s foremost advocate of eating a healthy diet as a means to open and heal clogged arteries was Nathan Pritikin. In his book titled Diet for Runners, Pritikin described a conversation he had with Jim Fixx:

Jim Fixx phoned me and criticized the chapter “Run and Die on the American Diet” in my book The Pritikin Promise. In that chapter, I said that many runners on the average American diet have died and will continue to drop dead during or shortly after long-distance events or training sessions. Jim thought the chapter was hysterical in tone and would frighten a lot of runners. I told him that was my intention. I hoped it would frighten them into changing their diets. I explained that I think it is better to be hysterical before someone dies than after. Too many men, I told Jim, had already died because they believed that anyone who could run a marathon in under four hours and who was a nonsmoker had absolute immunity from having a heart attack.

Sadly, only six months after this conversation, a passing motorcyclist discovered a man lying dead beside a road in northern Vermont. He was clad only in shorts and running shoes. The man was Jim Fixx."

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Trinity11 — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 15:57:39 GMT

@sidsmom wrote:
@PINKdogWOOD wrote:
I've been on a roll to clean up my own diet habits, I've begun working out again, don't eat bread/sandwiches anymore like I was. I'm now into eating a hard boiled egg each day, drinking Kefir each day, no lunchtime sandwiches, having a bowl of good grains/nuts cereal, and also enjoying kimchee as a good probiotic. I eat even more fruits & veggies.

Our dinners are better consisting of just veggies and/or a big salad with our white meats because I at least do not/cannot eat red meat anymore. I've stopped red meats a long time ago, they don't at all ease through my system. I will serve a steak to my husband every so often but that too is rare for him. Lucky for each of us the only prescription drug we take is for our blood pressure. We certainly intend to not be on any more drugs than that.
@PINKdogWOOD
Oooo...you have a lot of good stuff here! But to remove your HP med, replace your animal products (eggs, kefir, ALL meats including 'white' meat & fish) with beans, legumes, more starches & no oils.

Eating a low fat plant based diet for a short time results in a QUICK drop in blood pressure. It's not uncommon at all to eliminate medication within a week/2.

For some this may work but for many it doesn't. I know of two vegans who I have known my entire life that had heart attacks at the age of 50 and 45 respectively. They also had very high triglycerides from a high starch diet. Both had to completely change their lifestyle and haven't had an incident since.

So what works for someone may not work for someone else..... and genetics play an enormous role. Just read Hockeynut's posts....healthy diet but his genetics play a part in why he had two heart attacks.

In addition, essential hypertension is not necessarily from a poor diet. Medications are life saving and eating a plant based diet will not necessarily result in giving up medication.

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hckynut — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 16:46:24 GMT

@Ibby114 wrote:

I've read that vegan diets can help reverse blockages and other issues (Dean Ornish)

@Ibby114

Dean Ornish copied from Nathan Pritikan, who wrote a book about this, which I own, in 1976. Dean Ornish took the credit for finding a reversal for plaques filled arteries that Nathan, not an MD, discovered 2 decades earlier?

Mr. Pritikin was not recognized for his discovery because the AMA chose to ignore his hundreds of proven studies. Why? Because he was a Researcher And Inventor, not a doctor.

He had a heart attack(plaque filled arteries) and started his own research to find a way to reverse and/or prevent plugged Coronary Arteries? I always will wonder how many heart patients died, unnecessarily, over the 2 decades the all knowing AMA chose to ignore his proven findings?

To this day, it still ticks me off that so many heart patients died, just so Dean Ornish could make his false claim and NAME TO FAME, for which Mr. Nathan Pritikin really earned. What a shame to both the AMA and Dean Ornish.

hckynut(john)

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hckynut — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:17:27 GMT

Wonder what happened to my it-s nonsense post?

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hckynut — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:42:51 GMT

To believe what you eat/how physically fit you are/what you weigh is going to change your genetic predisposition to heart disease? It is pure/false/unadulterated nonsense.

Those that dispense this ridiculous rhetoric are not only doing a disservice to those that read and/or believe it, they also might also be a causation for someone to delay getting help?

FACT: There is what is called THE GOLDEN HOUR for those having a heart attack. Every 60 seconds part of your heart muscle dies(does not regrow or regenerate, it is gone forever)/minutes are muscle and you can guess why it is called THE GOLDEN HOUR.

Your chances of surviving a heart attack after 90 minutes go from 85-90% down to 35% as time-tick-tick-ticks away. For someone to suggest since you ate this or that/exercised for this or that long, that you are now immune to a heart attack, thus you delay getting help?

The results of their false nonsense can result in much more damage to a heart and just maybe too much.

hckynut(john)

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sidsmom — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 18:35:14 GMT

http://www.dresselstyn.com/Esselstyn_Caldwell_Article.pdf

"Family history and genetic background do not cause this illness."

-Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, Jr formerly of The Cleveland Clinic

"It is not the luck of the draw. It is a matter of personal action and responsibility. Genes load the gun but lifestyle pulls the trigger. It all starts and stops with our Endothelium, the guardian and lifejacket of our blood vessels.

If we destroy the Endothelium, we develop the disease.
If we restore our Endothelium, we vanquish our disease."

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To blame "genetics" is an extreme insult to those who are reversing/preventing Heart Disease, Diabetes, Obesity by eating the CORRECT diet. Millions of people in different cultures around the world for millinenia have been eating a diet low in fat, high in starches & carbohydrates & low/if any animal products.....but yet all this disease is a current-day problem.

It's all about the food.

Low Fat, Whole Foods, Plant Based diet.

People say it's 'genetics', but the fact is their grandparents ate rich food, their parents ate/eat rich food & they eat rich food.

It's Family HABITS, not Family Genetics or Family History.

And for the "cousin who had a friend who's sister had a best friend" who didn't do well on a vegan diet....I guarantee they didn't follow a low fat, whole foods, plant based diet.

But yet.....it's AMAZING, like the woman outlined in the original post video, she was able to reverse almost everything with a plant-based diet. Did her 'genetics' change? No.

It's not genetics or family history or we've got big bones...people don't want to take responsibility for their own actions. Until people realize this, the mortality rate will continue to lower & lower & lower. It's shocking to see it coming true right before out eyes!!

It's SUCH an easy fix....if done correctly!

The lady outlined in the video is a BEAUTIFUL example.

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Trinity11 — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 19:35:37 GMT

@sidsmom wrote:
http://www.dresselstyn.com/Esselstyn_Caldwell_Article.pdf

"Family history and genetic background do not cause this illness."
-Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, Jr formerly of The Cleveland Clinic

"It is not the luck of the draw. It is a matter of personal action and responsibility. Genes load the gun but lifestyle pulls the trigger. It all starts and stops with our Endothelium, the guardian and lifejacket of our blood vessels.
If we destroy the Endothelium, we develop the disease.
If we restore our Endothelium, we vanquish our disease."

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To blame "genetics" is an extreme insult to those who are reversing/preventing Heart Disease, Diabetes, Obesity by eating the CORRECT diet. Millions of people in different cultures around the world for millinenia have been eating a diet low in fat, high in starches & carbohydrates & low/if any animal products.....but yet all this disease is a current-day problem.

It's all about the food.
Low Fat, Whole Foods, Plant Based diet.

People say it's 'genetics', but the fact is their grandparents ate rich food, their parents ate/eat rich food & they eat rich food.

It's Family HABITS, not Family Genetics or Family History.

And for the "cousin who had a friend who's sister had a best friend" who didn't do well on a vegan diet....I guarantee they didn't follow a low fat, whole foods, plant based diet.

But yet.....it's AMAZING, like the woman outlined in the original post video, she was able to reverse almost everything with a plant-based diet. Did her 'genetics' change? No.

It's not genetics or family history or we've got big bones...people don't want to take responsibility for their own actions. Until people realize this, the mortality rate will continue to lower & lower & lower. It's shocking to see it coming true right before out eyes!!

It's SUCH an easy fix....if done correctly!
The lady outlined in the video is a BEAUTIFUL example.

So then why did my slim, vegan friends nearly die of a heart attack? They exercised, ate no fatty foods and lived on a plant based diet. The starches they ate lead to high triglycerides, though, and when they stopped eatting just plants and starches their heart disease got better as proved by stress tests and angiograms. There are many stuides proving that a plant based diet is not the ONLY diet that changes the coronary arteries.

Both people had genetically inherited a pre-dispostion for heart disease and all the plants and no oils or fats wasn't changing that. In fact the vegan lifestyle nearly killed them.

If we destroy the Endothelium, we develop the disease.
If we restore our Endothelium, we vanquish our disease."

May be true but there are different ways of restoring the endothelim and to say otherwise ends up getting a doctor on Quackwatch. There is no such thing as a one size fits all diet. And if living on plants worked nobody would drop dead of heart disease.