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E-Cigarettes...Harmless or Dangerous?

Bobbi sue — Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:30:08 GMT

Recently, my friend and I were at a pub having a glass of wine. A woman sitting next to me was "smoking" an electronic cigarette. There was a mist or vapor that resembled smoke coming out of the electronic cigarette.

I have COPD. I was concerned what was in this E-Cigarette and is it harmful like second hard smoke? Do you have information on the safety of the new Electronic Cigarette? Are they dangerous like a real cigarette? Thank you in advance.

Re: E-Cigarettes...Harmless or Dangerous?

AuberriJean — Sun, 17 Jan 2016 15:46:56 GMT

https://www.yahoo.com/health/secondhand-e-cig-vapor-can-penetrate-paint-what-113444498677.html

Secondhand E-Cig Vapor Can Penetrate Paint. What Does That Mean For Your Lungs?

The aerosol particles emitted from vaping are so tiny they can actually seep through paint on walls — the pores in the paint would look like Swiss cheese in comparison to the particle size.

The emissions from e-cigarettes are just water vapor, right?

Wrong.

The “vapor” emitted from an e-cig is actually not water vapor, but more like an aerosol gas, as the emissions consist of tiny particles that contain nicotine, glycerin/glycols, artificial flavorings and preservatives, among other chemicals, according to a new study from RTI International.

And the warm, humid conditions of the lungs seem to prevent these aerosol particles from evaporating — which is cause for concern. This is just one of the learnings gleaned from an expert panel that convened on Thursday to discuss the latest research in vaping.

The takeaway: E-cigarette emissions — whether you yourself are vaping or if you’re standing next to someone who is — have an immediate effect on your acute lung function.

A big concern is the size of the particles, according to Jonathan Thornburg, Ph.D., author of the study and a senior research engineer and director of Exposure and Aerosol Technology at RTI International. “They are smaller than 1,000 nanometers, 50 times smaller than the width of a human hair,” he says. “They can stay airborne for a long time, and penetrate into the deepest part of our lungs.”

The extremely minute size of the particles actually ups their penetrative powers, which is causing experts to wonder what the impacts will be for tissues inside the body. Stanton Glantz, Ph.D., professor of medicine at University of California, San Francisco and director of the UCSF Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education, says the aerosol particles emitted are so tiny they can actually seep through the paint on painted walls. If you scaled that representation to size, the pores in the paint would look something like Swiss cheese in comparison to the particle size — which might cause imminent problems.

We may see vastly different health effects result from of e-cigarette use than we do from conventional cigarettes. Because they don’t burn anything and there’s a lack of combustion, fewer cancer-causing chemicals are emitted. However, e-cig emissions are still composed of ultra-fine particles with nicotine and numerous other potentially damaging additives. “Even some of the flavorings are dangerous — like cinnamon, if you inhale it, can be quite toxic,” Glantz says. “It’s a different risk profile. Some toxicologists think it’s inappropriate to even compare e-cigarettes to tobacco cigarettes.”

Glantz thinks we may eventually discover more heart-related consequences associated with vaping. “Exposure to the ultra-fine particles inhibits blood vessels to get larger when they need to, and makes platelets sticky, which leads to more heart attacks,” he says. “The particle effects are a big factor. The oxidizing agents also oxidize cholesterol, which leads to heart disease and heart attacks.”

And that doesn’t just go for e-cig emissions. Similar health issues also might result in areas of high air pollution, too. “It’s important to understand that heart attacks are triggered,”Glantz continues. “The ultra-fine particles lead to inflammation, which can actually trigger a heart attack.”

Ultimately, when asked flat-out about safety, the panel concluded that e-cigarettes are probably not as harmful as standard cigarettes. “We know that the level of carcinogens and toxins are lower,”says Thornburg.

That said, there was no endorsement for unending use.

“They’re not as dangerous as cigarettes, but they’re not safe,”Glantz says. “You are better off not using them. The question is how much safer are they than regular cigarettes?”

(Related: Hidden High Levels Of Cancer-Causing Formaldehyde Found in E-Cigarettes)

To put it in better perspective, Glantz also offers this: “They are less toxic than a cigarette, but the cigarette is probably the most toxic consumer product ever designed. It’s a low bar.”

And although many ingredients are regarded as generally safe by the FDA upon ingestion, the effects upon inhalation aren’t well understood or studied, leaving a need for better clarity — especially with the prevalence of e-cigarettes taking off in recent years. Since 2007, e-cig sales have doubled each year, finally reaching the $1 billion mark in 2013.

Roughly 13 percent of adults have tried vaping, one-third of whom had never before smoked conventional cigarettes, according to Annice Kim, Ph.D., a senior social scientist in the Public Health Policy Research Program at RTI. “Eight percent of current tobacco smokers also use e-cigarettes,” says Kim, who is currently tracking vaping trends on social media and among key demographics, like kids and teens.

“The trends are alarming,” she says. “Seventeen percent of 12th graders have used e-cigarettes in the past month. To date, 40 states have prohibited e-cigarette sales to minors, but as of January 1, 2015, only four states have banned e-cigarette use in schools statewide.”

Re: E-Cigarettes...Harmless or Dangerous?

AuberriJean — Sun, 17 Jan 2016 15:28:43 GMT

@Bobbisue wrote:
Recently, my friend and I were at a pub having a glass of wine. A woman sitting next to me was "smoking" an electronic cigarette. There was a mist or vapor that resembled smoke coming out of the electronic cigarette.
I have COPD. I was concerned what was in this E-Cigarette and is it harmful like second hard smoke? Do you have information on the safety of the new Electronic Cigarette? Are they dangerous like a real cigarette? Thank you in advance.

I hope the article is helpful.

....

debic — Sun, 17 Jan 2016 15:32:44 GMT

@Bobbisue wrote:
Recently, my friend and I were at a pub having a glass of wine. A woman sitting next to me was "smoking" an electronic cigarette. There was a mist or vapor that resembled smoke coming out of the electronic cigarette.
I have COPD. I was concerned what was in this E-Cigarette and is it harmful like second hard smoke? Do you have information on the safety of the new Electronic Cigarette? Are they dangerous like a real cigarette? Thank you in advance.

Around here you can't smoke e-cigarettes in any place that regular cigarettes aren't allowed. I've always thought that they couldn't possibly be good for you. People puff on them like they are addicted.

Re: E-Cigarettes...Harmless or Dangerous?

SeaMaiden — Sun, 17 Jan 2016 15:39:48 GMT

My state is banning them in public places now just like cigarettes. The vapors are full of chemicals and no one knows the long term effects of drawing that vapor into your lungs let alone breathing in vapor from those around you using the E cigs. Nothing is regulated and no one really knows the chemical composition of the vapor. many teens are vapping now that do not even smoke.... it is the cool thing to do.

Re: E-Cigarettes...Harmless or Dangerous?

MaggieMack — Sun, 17 Jan 2016 15:44:30 GMT

I just read yesterday that the vapor from e cigs can have a concentration of formaldehyde from 5-15% higher than regular cigarettes. Formaldehyde is a known carcinogen.

Re: E-Cigarettes...Harmless or Dangerous?

milkbone — Sun, 17 Jan 2016 15:49:10 GMT

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Remember the movie Prozac Nation

Can anyone just be themselves, and not medicated?

No matter how much tobacco goes up, people will find it, one way or another

I watched my mother die from smoking.

She would lay there in bed, with no strengh

"this is not fair she kept telling me?

Watch a person bedside dying from tobacco

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Re: E-Cigarettes...Harmless or Dangerous?

hckynutjohn — Sun, 17 Jan 2016 15:57:26 GMT

IMO, anything called a cigarette can be dangerous, some moreso than others.

hckynut(john)

Re: E-Cigarettes...Harmless or Dangerous?

hckynutjohn — Sun, 17 Jan 2016 16:29:22 GMT

@Bobbisue wrote:
Recently, my friend and I were at a pub having a glass of wine. A woman sitting next to me was "smoking" an electronic cigarette. There was a mist or vapor that resembled smoke coming out of the electronic cigarette.
I have COPD. I was concerned what was in this E-Cigarette and is it harmful like second hard smoke? Do you have information on the safety of the new Electronic Cigarette? Are they dangerous like a real cigarette? Thank you in advance.

According to the other thread you started: "NERVOUS CONDITION" you are a smoker. Anyone that has been diagnosed with COPD and continues to smoke? Their concern better be on their own smoking issue as the primary concern.

What does your Pulmonologist tell you about your dangers of smoking and your COPD? Are you, or have you been, through Pulmonary Rehab Sessions? If not you can't be too concerned about what COPD will eventually do to your lungs ability to function.

You should have a "NERVOUS CONDITION". If you aren't worried enough to help yourself? And you expect strangers on these Forums to try to fix you? Time you got some perspective in your life, NO?

hckynut(john)

Re: E-Cigarettes...Harmless or Dangerous?

MomCat — Sun, 17 Jan 2016 16:50:53 GMT

If I had COPD, I would steer clear of it. As far as the danger of e-cigarettes - I would think that anything that had the potiential to blow up in your face would be dangerous. By the way, good article posted here for thought.

Re: E-Cigarettes...Harmless or Dangerous?

Nightowlz — Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:26:00 GMT

The flavoring in them has the ingredient DIACETYL in it which causes popcorn lung. Same ingredient that's in butter flavored microwave popcorn that caused factory workers to develop popcorn lung.

Re: E-Cigarettes...Harmless or Dangerous?

AuberriJean — Mon, 18 Jan 2016 08:46:33 GMT

@MaggieMack wrote:
I just read yesterday that the vapor from e cigs can have a concentration of formaldehyde from 5-15% higher than regular cigarettes. Formaldehyde is a known carcinogen.

Exactly.

Re: E-Cigarettes...Harmless or Dangerous?

newziesuzie — Wed, 20 Jan 2016 17:29:23 GMT

I saw a report on last nights news,

these are dangerous.
This is only a few of the most recent articles.

😕

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January 6, 2016
JACKSON COUNTY, Ind.

"Truck driver crashes on I-65 after e-cigarette explodes"

http://fox59.com/2016/01/06/truck-driver-crashes-on-i-65-after-e-cigarette-explodes/

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January 6, 2016
Orange County, California

"E-cigarette explodes in California teen's pocket"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/e-cigarette-explodes-in-teens-pocket-at-work/

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January 18, 2016
Northwich, Cheshire, England

"Northwich father-of-two suffers horrific burns after e-cigarette battery explodes"

http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/northwich-father-two-suffers-horrific-10749742

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January 19, 2016
Naples, Florida

"Man Left in Coma After E-Cigarette Explosion Warns: 'These Things Are Deadly'"

http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/14169-man-left-in-coma-after-e-cigarette-explosion-warns-these-things-are-deadly

Re: E-Cigarettes...Harmless or Dangerous?

redhead65 — Sat, 23 Jan 2016 23:24:37 GMT

They are also dangerous because they DO emit things that get into your system that are harmful. Not a great concept.

Re: E-Cigarettes...Harmless or Dangerous?

qbetzforreal — Sat, 23 Jan 2016 23:38:46 GMT

this post is from 2011

....

debic — Sun, 24 Jan 2016 12:18:57 GMT

@qbetzforreal wrote:
this post is from 2011

I suspect it was brought up in reference to OP's other smoking thread. It's still a good topic.

Re: E-Cigarettes...Harmless or Dangerous?

dreamieLil — Thu, 25 Feb 2016 05:56:45 GMT

@Aubergene wrote:

https://www.yahoo.com/health/secondhand-e-cig-vapor-can-penetrate-paint-what-113444498677.html

Secondhand E-Cig Vapor Can Penetrate Paint. What Does That Mean For Your Lungs?

The aerosol particles emitted from vaping are so tiny they can actually seep through paint on walls — the pores in the paint would look like Swiss cheese in comparison to the particle size.

The emissions from e-cigarettes are just water vapor, right?

Wrong.

The “vapor” emitted from an e-cig is actually not water vapor, but more like an aerosol gas, as the emissions consist of tiny particles that contain nicotine, glycerin/glycols, artificial flavorings and preservatives, among other chemicals, according to a new study from RTI International.

And the warm, humid conditions of the lungs seem to prevent these aerosol particles from evaporating — which is cause for concern. This is just one of the learnings gleaned from an expert panel that convened on Thursday to discuss the latest research in vaping.

The takeaway: E-cigarette emissions — whether you yourself are vaping or if you’re standing next to someone who is — have an immediate effect on your acute lung function.

A big concern is the size of the particles, according to Jonathan Thornburg, Ph.D., author of the study and a senior research engineer and director of Exposure and Aerosol Technology at RTI International. “They are smaller than 1,000 nanometers, 50 times smaller than the width of a human hair,” he says. “They can stay airborne for a long time, and penetrate into the deepest part of our lungs.”

The extremely minute size of the particles actually ups their penetrative powers, which is causing experts to wonder what the impacts will be for tissues inside the body. Stanton Glantz, Ph.D., professor of medicine at University of California, San Francisco and director of the UCSF Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education, says the aerosol particles emitted are so tiny they can actually seep through the paint on painted walls. If you scaled that representation to size, the pores in the paint would look something like Swiss cheese in comparison to the particle size — which might cause imminent problems.

We may see vastly different health effects result from of e-cigarette use than we do from conventional cigarettes. Because they don’t burn anything and there’s a lack of combustion, fewer cancer-causing chemicals are emitted. However, e-cig emissions are still composed of ultra-fine particles with nicotine and numerous other potentially damaging additives. “Even some of the flavorings are dangerous — like cinnamon, if you inhale it, can be quite toxic,” Glantz says. “It’s a different risk profile. Some toxicologists think it’s inappropriate to even compare e-cigarettes to tobacco cigarettes.”

Glantz thinks we may eventually discover more heart-related consequences associated with vaping. “Exposure to the ultra-fine particles inhibits blood vessels to get larger when they need to, and makes platelets sticky, which leads to more heart attacks,” he says. “The particle effects are a big factor. The oxidizing agents also oxidize cholesterol, which leads to heart disease and heart attacks.”

And that doesn’t just go for e-cig emissions. Similar health issues also might result in areas of high air pollution, too. “It’s important to understand that heart attacks are triggered,”Glantz continues. “The ultra-fine particles lead to inflammation, which can actually trigger a heart attack.”

Ultimately, when asked flat-out about safety, the panel concluded that e-cigarettes are probably not as harmful as standard cigarettes. “We know that the level of carcinogens and toxins are lower,”says Thornburg.

That said, there was no endorsement for unending use.

“They’re not as dangerous as cigarettes, but they’re not safe,”Glantz says. “You are better off not using them. The question is how much safer are they than regular cigarettes?”

(Related: Hidden High Levels Of Cancer-Causing Formaldehyde Found in E-Cigarettes)

To put it in better perspective, Glantz also offers this: “They are less toxic than a cigarette, but the cigarette is probably the most toxic consumer product ever designed. It’s a low bar.”

And although many ingredients are regarded as generally safe by the FDA upon ingestion, the effects upon inhalation aren’t well understood or studied, leaving a need for better clarity — especially with the prevalence of e-cigarettes taking off in recent years. Since 2007, e-cig sales have doubled each year, finally reaching the $1 billion mark in 2013.

Roughly 13 percent of adults have tried vaping, one-third of whom had never before smoked conventional cigarettes, according to Annice Kim, Ph.D., a senior social scientist in the Public Health Policy Research Program at RTI. “Eight percent of current tobacco smokers also use e-cigarettes,” says Kim, who is currently tracking vaping trends on social media and among key demographics, like kids and teens.

“The trends are alarming,” she says. “Seventeen percent of 12th graders have used e-cigarettes in the past month. To date, 40 states have prohibited e-cigarette sales to minors, but as of January 1, 2015, only four states have banned e-cigarette use in schools statewide.”

Great information!

Re: E-Cigarettes...Harmless or Dangerous?

AuberriJean — Thu, 25 Feb 2016 11:40:07 GMT

@newziesuzie wrote:

I saw a report on last nights news,
these are dangerous.
This is only a few of the most recent articles.
😕

::
::

January 6, 2016
JACKSON COUNTY, Ind.
"Truck driver crashes on I-65 after e-cigarette explodes"

http://fox59.com/2016/01/06/truck-driver-crashes-on-i-65-after-e-cigarette-explodes/

::
::

January 6, 2016
Orange County, California

"E-cigarette explodes in California teen's pocket"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/e-cigarette-explodes-in-teens-pocket-at-work/

::
::

January 18, 2016
Northwich, Cheshire, England

"Northwich father-of-two suffers horrific burns after e-cigarette battery explodes"

http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/northwich-father-two-suffers-horrific-10749742

::
::

January 19, 2016
Naples, Florida

"Man Left in Coma After E-Cigarette Explosion Warns: 'These Things Are Deadly'"

http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/14169-man-left-in-coma-after-e-cigarette-explosion-warns-these-things-are-deadly

I just saw another report about this on last nights news.

Re: E-Cigarettes...Harmless or Dangerous?

20sally — Thu, 25 Feb 2016 12:21:06 GMT

I saw that last night as well.