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Circulation &Vein Support (Diosmin) - Question re long term use

VaBelle35 — Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:24:13 GMT

For those of you who take this, do you take it every day and how long have you been taking it?

Everything I'm reading says it's only safe for a period of months at various doses.

Re: Circulation &Vein Support (Diosmin) - Question re long term use

rudy — Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:34:22 GMT

I've been taking it daily for many years and have no known problems. Not familiar with long-term use issues. What makes it unsafe? If you have any links, would you mind sharing those with us? Thanks.

Re: Circulation &Vein Support (Diosmin) - Question re long term use

VaBelle35 — Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:36:54 GMT

The first thing I read was the WebMD page and they say "Do not take diosmin for more than three months without medical supervision."

So in finding more sources as to "why" I found the FDA report from 2009 (I think) and all of the studies are just months long, I think one was a year.

Re: Circulation &Vein Support (Diosmin) - Question re long term use

Nightowlz — Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:18:02 GMT

I take 2 per day & have been taking it for years with no problems. I don't know why there would be a problem using it long term since Diosmin is a bioflavonoid derived from citrus fruits.

Re: Circulation &Vein Support (Diosmin) - Question re long term use

ThinkOutsidetheBox — Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:20:07 GMT

Have not researched your particular supplement enough to give you a complete or direct answer, but I will say this.....over the years, I have noticed a distinct trend towards labeling certain herbs and supplements, the ones that really work, as either dangerous or dangerous to take long term. Even online, the information provided on these supplements has gradually shifted to make you doubt whether you should take them at all. The same is true for newer books on the subjects. Some will say this is because more studies are being done so now we know more, but I heartily disagree with that assumption.

I have taken and dabbled with herbs and supplements since the early 90's, with no ill effects to my health. Just the opposite, in fact. And, my experience is nothing compared to the Native American, the Chinese, and the Eastern Indian cultures who have used herbs and spices as their medicines for hundreds to thousands of years....all with success according to what we know. That being said, we are living longer, and I don't think any extracted, standardized herb was meant to be taken permanently. Instead, lifestyle changes in diet and exercise levels are the most important thing, while herbal medicine use should probably be mostly supportive and shorter term in their uses (not the case for vitamin supplements so much however).

Try to look for some older herbal handbooks and make a determination on the issue using your own knowledge and common sense. You should research many different sources, not just online, when it comes to taking herbal medicines and supplements. Also, the majority of doctors will have no clue about the topic either.

Herbal medicine is very individualized. Some things can work well in one person, but react negatively in another (this is actually true of traditional medicine as well). No one can really answer your question for YOU not knowing your health history either, not even so-called certified herbal "experts". With all that said, I have encountered many, many people who use and swear by "circulation" herbal products. Two good ones are Andrew Lessman's Circulation & Vein Support and Jarrow's Venous PF. Since diosmin is a flavonoid, it should be pretty innocuous, even long term.

Here is a brief synopsis of what it is and does: http://www.hamiltonvein.com/diosmin-hesperidin-the-in-vein-health-supplements/.

Good luck!

Re: Circulation &Vein Support (Diosmin) - Question re long term use

gazelle77 — Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:20:15 GMT

I take it daily and have been for YEARS.

Re: Circulation &Vein Support (Diosmin) - Question re long term use

gazelle77 — Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:21:18 GMT

On 10/12/2014 VaBelle35 said:
The first thing I read was the WebMD page and they say "Do not take diosmin for more than three months without medical supervision."

So in finding more sources as to "why" I found the FDA report from 2009 (I think) and all of the studies are just months long, I think one was a year.

This makes me feel safe using it....FDA....hogwash!

Re: Circulation &Vein Support (Diosmin) - Question re long term use

VaBelle35 — Sun, 12 Oct 2014 20:33:56 GMT

Thanks everyone and thanks for the link. So many reviewers on HSN and the herb sites that many here buy from talk about long term use and positive outcomes. And Andrew only talks about the positives of all of his products.

So before jumping in, I always like to hear/read "the rest of the story."

Re: Circulation &Vein Support (Diosmin) - Question re long term use

amartinezfan — Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:12:14 GMT

I have been taking this twice daily for several years. In the few times that I have stopped using it I noticed after about a week or two I would start getting those cramps in my feet, ankles, and outside of calves after about 1/2 hour after retiring for the night. Always go back to it. I don't know what I am going to do if Andrew no longer supplies this product. change.

(This is my first post after a couple of years. I used to be amartinezfan)

Re: Circulation &Vein Support (Diosmin) - Question re long term use

amartinezfan — Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:13:00 GMT

On 10/13/2014 amartinezfan said:
I have been taking this twice daily for several years. In the few times that I have stopped using it I noticed after about a week or two I would start getting those cramps in my feet, ankles, and outside of calves after about 1/2 hour after retiring for the night. Always go back to it. I don't know what I am going to do if Andrew no longer supplies this product. change.

(This is my first post after a couple of years. I used to be amartinezfan)

Ohhhhh! Guess I am STILL amartinezfan, LOL!

Re: Circulation &Vein Support (Diosmin) - Question re long term use

willdob3 — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 15:47:03 GMT

If it was not safe for longterm use I am certain Andrew would have mentioned it. Actually, I doubt he would offer any product that is not safe for longterm use.

I took his C&VS for a few years and had wonderful, LIFECHANGING results. I ran out and it was not in the budget to replace it at one time. To my surprise, my legs were fine and did not go back to being painful & aching after a few minutes of walking/standing. Because of that, I did not repurchase.

I am planning to add it back in for a few reasons now. One being that I am much more active. But I want a decent deal on it & plan to buy enough to last for a while. I know Andrew is supposed to be on HSN sometime this month from the new studio they built in his facility. I have not been able to find the date of that... Does anyone recall when Andrew is going to be on?

Re: Circulation &Vein Support (Diosmin) - Question re long term use

Shelbelle — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 16:36:46 GMT

Futurebiotics has a very good Diosmin product for much less than Lessman's price.

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emmysmom — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 16:45:24 GMT

On 11/2/2014 Shelbelle said:
Futurebiotics has a very good Diosmin product for much less than Lessman's price.

Is this it? The reviews say its as good as Lessman's, $9.99 at Vitacost~

http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-diosmin-hesperidin-with-diosvein-60-vegetarian-capsules-2

What about Horse Chestnut or Butcher's Broom ??..those are suggested at Puritan's Pride with free shipping. Anyone take these?? Tia!

http://www.puritan.com/planetary-herbals-brand-0455/pphorse-chstnt-vein-st90-tab-025635

Re: Circulation &Vein Support (Diosmin) - Question re long term use

willdob3 — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 17:02:19 GMT

On 11/2/2014 graceandmercy said:
On 11/2/2014 Shelbelle said:
Futurebiotics has a very good Diosmin product for much less than Lessman's price.

Is this it? The reviews say its as good as Lessman's, $9.99 at Vitacost~

http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-diosmin-hesperidin-with-diosvein-60-vegetarian-capsules-2

What about Horse Chestnut or Butcher's Broom ??..those are suggested at Puritan's Pride with free shipping. Anyone take these?? Tia!

http://www.puritan.com/planetary-herbals-brand-0455/pphorse-chstnt-vein-st90-tab-025635

The Vitacost one is not close to the same quality & has unnecessary ingredients that I avoid. It just depends what one is looking for. I trust in the purity of Andrew's supplements.

Re: Circulation &Vein Support (Diosmin) - Question re long term use

Shelbelle — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 17:37:56 GMT

I was referring to Futurebiotics Vein Factors, sold on many vitamin sites, vegan capsules.

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willdob3 — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 19:19:53 GMT

On 11/2/2014 Shelbelle said:
I was referring to Futurebiotics Vein Factors, sold on many vitamin sites, vegan capsules.

It also has extra ingredients. Most supplements do. They are not necessarily bad but I prefer my supplements to be pure.

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LadyAmara — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 21:00:10 GMT

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Re: Circulation &Vein Support (Diosmin) - Question re long term use

gailcoco — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 01:29:02 GMT

I googled this drug and came up with this from the National Center for Biotechnology Information

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Neurocrit Care. 2011 Jun;14(3):438-40. doi: 10.1007/s12028-011-9524-9.

Spontaneous intraventricular hemorrhage associated with prolonged diosmin therapy.

¹Texas A&M Health Science Center College of Medicine, College Station, TX, USA.

The prevalent use of anticoagulation in a growing elderly population has led to an increasing incidence of intracerebral hemorrhage. Furthermore, the understanding of the interactions and adverse effects of oral anticoagulants when used with non-FDA approved drugs is limited. Diosmin is one such non-FDA approved drug which is a semisynthetic, phlebotropic supplement with multiple microcirculatory effects. We report a case of a patient on oral anticoagulation and diosmin, who presented with spontaneous intraventricular hemorrhage, and discuss the possible etiology behind this rare event.

METHODS:

A retrospective chart review and a comprehensive search of the literature using the PubMed database were performed.

RESULTS:

A 77-year old female with a 6 week history of warfarin therapy and a several year history of diosmin use presented with severe bitemporal headache. Computed tomography scan revealed an acute hemorrhage within the right ventricle without associated intraparenchymal hemorrhage. International normalized ratio measured 1.8 and was corrected using fresh frozen plasma and vitamin K. She was discharged without neurological deficits.

CONCLUSIONS:

Diosmin inhibits platelet aggregation and prolongs the effect of norepinephrine on venous tone, leading to increased venoconstriction. The combined effect of chronic microcirculatory hypertension and inhibition of platelet aggregation due to diosmin may have predisposed to spontaneous hemorrhage in this anticoagulated patient. Individual cases such as this serve as a reminder that over-the-counter dietary supplements may be associated with serious adverse events. The practicing clinician should be aware of this possible adverse event when evaluating patients on oral anticoagulation and chronic diosmin treatment.

Re: Circulation &Vein Support (Diosmin) - Question re long term use

willdob3 — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 02:12:36 GMT

On 11/5/2014 LadyAmara said:
Andrew Lessman on HSN -- LIVE from ProCaps Labs!

TV Listings for Eastern Time

Saturday, November 8

11:00 PM – 12:00 AM

Sunday, November 9

Today’s Special!

12:00 AM – 2:00 AM

4:00 AM – 5:00 AM

8:00 AM – 9:00 AM

12:00 PM – 2:00 PM

9:00 PM – 11:00 PM

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willdob3 — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 02:20:30 GMT

This is pretty good timing. Circulation & Vein Support is one of his January TS so I will just get enough to last until then & stock up at the TS price.