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😲 Elom Musk's brain chip startup....😲

Mz iMac — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 20:58:44 GMT

Elon Musk’s brain chip startup starts recruiting patients for its first human test with a goal of helping people control a keyboard ‘using their thoughts alone.

Neuralink, the brain implant startup led by billionaire Elon Musk, is recruiting patients for a clinical trial, a long-awaited step that brings the science fiction-esque technology closer to human reality.

The company said it was recruiting patients with quadriplegia due to cervical spinal cord injury or amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) for the trial. Neuralink plans to evaluate the safety and functionality of its tool allowing people to manipulate external devices with their minds.

Early Food and Drug Administration approval for Neuralink’s trial came in May this year with an investigational device exemption, which allows medical device makers to move ahead with human trials. The company said it had also received approval from the hospital where it will perform the first surgeries, but did not name the hospital.

SOURCE: fortune.com/2023/09/19/elon-musk-brain-chip-startup-neuralink-first-human-clinical-trial/

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NYCLatinaMe — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:07:30 GMT

Yes, and the brain chip will put ads right into our brains and collect all the information that passes through.

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Mz iMac — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:13:46 GMT

The chip can be hacked & personal info stolen (thoughts???). The scientist interviewed on TMZ tv show today said precautions will be taken.

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Snowpuppy — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:15:58 GMT

Conteversial concept, no doubt.

I've known two people in their 50's who developed ALS but neither made it more than 18 mos after diagnosis so I'm wondering what limited data will be gathered?

Elon hasn't developed a thing without dot gov financing.

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millieshops — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:20:41 GMT

I have known only a very few ALS sufferers. Those I knew were young parents. I believe those families would have been willing to participate, maybe to help themselves but also to prevent others from losing decades of a useful life.

What's scary is how to establish control of usage of the information by Musk as well as others.

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ajsidney12 — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:34:20 GMT

He, and his companies, I do not trust to properly use any potential information (or thoughts) that they could potentially access. I do not believe he would use the information for good, let's just say that.

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Mindy D — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:54:22 GMT

Quadraplegics could benefit from this research if a device is developed that lets them do many things they are unable to do, even if for now, it is typing. I'm all for this research having cared for two paralyzed parents and having a paralyzed cousin, as well as having spent years visiting rehab centers including the VA, I can see how this would be a tremendous help. This research could also be the beginning of the development of other devices that are not keyboard related as well. We already have speech to text, which has helped so many people, this new technology could help even more. Musk's implant might one day enable quadraplegics to control the use of their arms and legs.

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Mindy D — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:46:54 GMT

@Snowpuppy wrote:
Conteversial concept, no doubt.

I've known two people in their 50's who developed ALS but neither made it more than 18 mos after diagnosis so I'm wondering what limited data will be gathered?

Elon hasn't developed a thing without dot gov financing.

@Snowpuppy @The OP said it is to test for safety and functionality.

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chessylady — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 22:07:56 GMT

I had the "pleasure" of dealing with Tesla in transferring solar panels to a new owner after we sold my Dad's house. It was very difficult and took months. They send emails that you cannot respond to. They sent bills that we did not owe and you could rarely talk to a person. I would never deal with Tesla again.

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Desertdi — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 22:39:46 GMT

I think Musk should be the first guinea pig...

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simplyfriends — Sat, 23 Sep 2023 02:48:27 GMT

I guess if you know someone who could benefit from this technology or benefit in the future (maybe our grandchildren) you might have a positive feeling about it.

This brain chip can:

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gardenman — Sat, 23 Sep 2023 11:40:17 GMT

Eye-tracking devices already let severely disabled people use a keyboard without having something inserted into one's brain. As long as the user can control where they look, these devices work well for keyboards and similar uses. They won't control an artificial limb, but neither will the current brain chips. That's something that's way in the future.

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Jersey Born — Sat, 23 Sep 2023 12:23:26 GMT

Everyone interested in learning more about this device should consider using the Brave search engine to look up "Neur-l-nk and monkey brains". Before promoting a device as invasive and as impermanent as this one, much more than a repeated soundbyte from an advertisment for the device is needed. As it is said that "a picture says a thousand words", check out the cool knob-like thing that will protrude from the head of anyone implanted with this device. Imagine someone falling down or accidentally hitting the knob attached to their head which is also attached to their brain, too, even after a potentially "successful" implantation. What could possibly go wrong?

This device requires brain implantation via brain surgery to be performed by a robotic device, and not by a human surgeon. Said robotic device stabs into the brain numerous wires (wires that degrade and that need to be replaced every five years). Many implanted monkeys died or were severely neurologically impaired at UC Davis during the monkey phase of research for this device. Now, human trials are being started. I am praying for those human volunteers.

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NigelSparkles — Sat, 23 Sep 2023 13:01:19 GMT

I think the concept is very interesting and could be extremely beneficial for those suffering with neurological disorders.

However, I do not approve of Elon Musk's actions in general and how he inserts his personal social and political views into the practices of business he owns.

While it is his right to institute policy in businesses he owns, I do not trust him at all. He has shown that he inserts his views in places where contracts and orders needed to be followed completely, and forced a different outcome than was wanted.

His thought processes have been shown to be "unusual", compulsive and unpredictable. He can be eccentric all he wants, but this involves people's lives. I simply do not trust him.

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wagirl — Sat, 23 Sep 2023 14:02:45 GMT

OMG---- I am suspecious of any thing he comes up with "for the good of mankind". More for the good of Elon Musk--jerkwad!!!

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NYCLatinaMe — Sat, 23 Sep 2023 14:47:37 GMT

Elon Musk is basically running the U.S. space program, created the United States market for electric cars and is doing much good. He is a genious and has much to contribute. But I am not ready to let him put anything in my brain. Afraid about how his brain works sometimes.

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NigelSparkles — Sat, 23 Sep 2023 15:02:30 GMT

@NYCLatinaMe wrote:

Elon Musk is basically running the U.S. space program, created the United States market for electric cars and is doing much good. He is a genious and has much to contribute. But I am not ready to let him put anything in my brain. Afraid about how his brain works sometimes.

I don't agree. He may have a high IQ, but is also on the autism spectrum and may have savant abilities. He is given credit for a lot of the things you mentioned, but he didn't not create any of them. He bought all the companies with family money and is running them. Some successfully, some not. He is an oligarch, and is trying to use his money and power to influence outcomes of things he has no buisness being involved in. He is no better than other mega-rich men who are hungry for more power and influence. And of course, more money.

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Justice4all — Sat, 23 Sep 2023 15:32:40 GMT

musk is being investigated for his claim that no monkeys were killed in the trial of this contraption. Indeed, the charge is that not only have monkeys died but that they were horribly tortured.

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NYCLatinaMe — Sat, 23 Sep 2023 16:02:41 GMT

@NigelSparkles wrote:
@NYCLatinaMe wrote:

Elon Musk is basically running the U.S. space program, created the United States market for electric cars and is doing much good. He is a genious and has much to contribute. But I am not ready to let him put anything in my brain. Afraid about how his brain works sometimes.

I don't agree. He may have a high IQ, but is also on the autism spectrum and may have savant abilities. He is given credit for a lot of the things you mentioned, but he didn't not create any of them. He bought all the companies with family money and is running them. Some successfully, some not. He is an oligarch, and is trying to use his money and power to influence outcomes of things he has no business being involved in. He is no better than other mega-rich men who are hungry for more power and influence. And of course, more money.

@NigelSparkles

As I said, I wouldn't trust Elon Musk with my brain.

But with regards to space, U.S. astronauts travel to the international space station via SpaceX's Crew Dragon capsule. I am not aware of any one else in the United States taking people to space, but, if you are, please do share. Musk founded SpaceX in 2002. SpaceX now accounts for more than 60% of satellite launches WORLDWIDE. Its satellites provide internet access throughout Earth.

And Elon Musk, while not the founder of Tesla, it was only after he took control of the company that it started delivering electric vehicles in 2008, and Tesla is now the largest EV manufacturer in the world. You can look it up.

He has other accomplishments and failures, but I only addressed these 2. Yes, he inherited family money, but he has done a lot with it, more than most people. And he took his earnings from the sale of Paypal (he owned less than 12 percent of the company) to ebay to found Space X and acquire a controlling interest in Tesla. Pretty impressive to me.

And I have no prejudice against people on the autism spectrum, whether he is, or not, which I don't know.

And while the United States has a number of rich people who exert too much influence, I don't think we are at risk of Elon Musk controlling the United States because he doesn't seem to have the skills to use his influence effectively. I do think he likes to keep his money.

I do think the United States government should do its own investments in science and technology, which helped our country become the global powerhouse that is is in the 20th century, instead of leaving this to erratic people like Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg.

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NYCLatinaMe — Sat, 23 Sep 2023 16:28:15 GMT

@Desertdi wrote:
I think Musk should be the first guinea pig...

@Desertdi

And who would monitor his brain chip?