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Mind body connection

qualitygal — Thu, 11 Aug 2022 19:39:31 GMT

Caught this on Prime, I think last night, about how people have let their bodies take over and heal themselves. I was interested since a doctor I have doesn't do invasive surgery. I'm sure not all are healed, but the show was interesting, since one lady traveled all over the world on this subject search. I will need to check out some books if I can find them at the library, one of these days.

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kaydee50 — Thu, 11 Aug 2022 19:43:04 GMT

That sounds like an interesting show. I agree that the body has a great capacity to heal itself and I stay away from doctors who are quick to recommend surgery.

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SilleeMee — Thu, 11 Aug 2022 20:10:48 GMT

Sometimes you just gotta LGLG. Then there are other times when you need science.

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hckynutjohn — Fri, 12 Aug 2022 20:47:08 GMT

Anyone that has done distance running races over many years, can tell you the "thread title" importance to succeed.

If one has any particular goals, be it time and/or distance, specifically both! They can tell you that at many points of those challenges, your body says "QUIT", but you keep on. How/Why?

Again, read the title of this thread. No successful long distance athlete can reach their goals without knowing, your Body and your Mind, have to work in concert with each other, or you will never get to whatever goal(s) you have set for yourself.

Same with recovering from serious physical setbacks like injuries, or life threatening illnesses. I have been through many of both, and had I not been an optimist? There is absolutely no way I would have made it back to my pre-event physical fitness levels. Once again, your body says "QUIT", but your mind says "I WON'T".

Anyone that believes there is no Mind/Body Connection, in all facets of living life?

Good luck, because your days will seem like weeks/months and years, not days!

hckynut 🇺🇸

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FLgardener — Tue, 16 Aug 2022 21:22:17 GMT

I have always practiced self-healing to great success. Have I had serious ailments and injuries? You bet I have, but always managed, out of sheer determination to heal myself through study of what ails me and using practical solutions, including sticking with my own physical therapy programs.

I realize I have been fortunate enough to have had no life-threatening injuries. The downside to self-healing can be it takes tremendous patience and a pretty steep tolerance of pain.

Exceptions were a serious skin cancer which jeopardized my nose and the following reconstruction. Also, I cheated by taking old antibiotics of my father and late husband when I ran high fevers. This I do not recommend, but it worked for me.

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hckynutjohn — Tue, 16 Aug 2022 22:06:20 GMT

@FLgardener

Guess I could say "I practiced self healing" except! Back in the late 1950's and early 1960's, there were few, if any studies. If you were injured via exercise or a sport, the most common thing said my those in the medical field? "If it hurts you, quit doing it", and that is not an overstatement.

My 1st injury from running, I sought out an athlete that lived in my apartment complex. He was a University of Nebraska starting football player, and I knew he had suffered knee injuries. He told me some of the things he had done under the advisement of the team medical staff and trainers.

From that info I learned a lot, along with my own improvisation. As years moved along there was some info available, but it was not easy to find. Like you, I looked, researched, and found some unknown books that I think were not well known, and for specific reason. Just my theory now from that era of time.

One thing that I knew that worked, was to be patient while healing. Unfortunately, a few times, I didn't follow what I knew to be the right way. With each injury I learned and practiced patience. I learned the hard way to follow what I knew. Injuries at many points feel good, but you learn that those feelings do not equate to being "healed".

Through all of these injuries I also learned more about the mind/body connection. The main thing that got me through some long term injuries, and my several life/death health issues? Optimism! The proverbial "light at the end of some very, very long tunnels".

I learned enough about my body to know when something was seriously wrong. Enough so I did not hesitate to get immediate help when I knew I was in trouble.

While I do believe in meds, I know that without several of them, my life would have likely ended years ago. For pain? No, but to sustain my way of living my type of life, not just existing.

Enjoyed reading of your experiences of what you have found works for you. Also your last comment about "not recommended it to others".

hckynut 🇺🇸

Re: Mind body connection

Trinity11 — Tue, 16 Aug 2022 23:23:04 GMT

@qualitygal wrote:
Caught this on Prime, I think last night, about how people have let their bodies take over and heal themselves. I was interested since a doctor I have doesn't do invasive surgery. I'm sure not all are healed, but the show was interesting, since one lady traveled all over the world on this subject search. I will need to check out some books if I can find them at the library, one of these days.

This entire concept is not applicable to all disease processes. My girlfriend decided with good thoughts and alternative medicine her breast cancer would be healed. She died at the age of 32.

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ThinkingOutLoud — Wed, 17 Aug 2022 15:26:10 GMT

@Trinity11 wrote:
@qualitygal wrote:
Caught this on Prime, I think last night, about how people have let their bodies take over and heal themselves. I was interested since a doctor I have doesn't do invasive surgery. I'm sure not all are healed, but the show was interesting, since one lady traveled all over the world on this subject search. I will need to check out some books if I can find them at the library, one of these days.
This entire concept is not applicable to all disease processes. My girlfriend decided with good thoughts and alternative medicine her breast cancer would be healed. She died at the age of 32.

I'm sorry about your friend's outcome but you can't lump all alternative med together. I know of people that have used alt med and have lived. I also know people that used western med for their cancer and it killed them.

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Trinity11 — Wed, 17 Aug 2022 16:01:06 GMT

@ThinkingOutLoud wrote:
@Trinity11 wrote:
@qualitygal wrote:
Caught this on Prime, I think last night, about how people have let their bodies take over and heal themselves. I was interested since a doctor I have doesn't do invasive surgery. I'm sure not all are healed, but the show was interesting, since one lady traveled all over the world on this subject search. I will need to check out some books if I can find them at the library, one of these days.
This entire concept is not applicable to all disease processes. My girlfriend decided with good thoughts and alternative medicine her breast cancer would be healed. She died at the age of 32.

I'm sorry about your friend's outcome but you can't lump all alternative med together. I know of people that have used alt med and have lived. I also know people that used western med for their cancer and it killed them.

I did not lump all alternative medicine together. Rather I was expressing the thought that the body mind connection only works in certain non life threatening connections. I saw many people in my lifetime with very good mental health status as they fought their illness and they still died. What I am opposed to is the idea that if someone doesn't get well, some will say that they didn't try hard enough. Almost as if the mind body connection can heal someone and personally, I think that is only true up to an extent @ThinkingOutLoud .

As far as using conventional medicine for cancer. Well, none of us are going to live forever but I still think that conventional medicine has a far better success rate in cancer than alternative medicine. Remember laetrile from the 70's. Thousands upon thousands believed it worked and died needlessly before their time.

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hckynutjohn — Wed, 17 Aug 2022 16:05:11 GMT

@ThinkingOutLoud

What precise meds are encompassed by the words "alt med"? I understand conventional medicine, and the science of many. However, when I see "alt med" talked about, I have seldom seen or heard specifics.

Say Cancer/CAD/COPD/CHF, I know the specifics of those major diseases. Of those, 3 them I know intimately. What alt meds could/would I have chosen over the ones that have kept me alive, 2 of which were emergencies?

I completely understand the oft used everyone is different. To me that is a phrase, in my opinion, too often used to avoid a more specific answer to questions that are asked.

Are we talking chronic illnesses/emergency treatments to save lives, or even serious/non serious physical injuries? Is there an alt med to repair an ACL injury, or that of any other joint injury?

In my many, many weeks as an in-patient in 3 different hospitals, I have talked with many other in-patients. A few believed more in things other than conventional meds or treatments, yet there they were being treated by the conventional. They talked, but obviously did not follow their beliefs when it came to their choices.

What I heard more often than anything when discussing/debating the merits of this versus that: "everyone is different". That usually ended our discussions. Not real and specific answers, but that same phrase was pretty much always used.

hckynut 🇺🇸

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FLgardener — Thu, 18 Aug 2022 22:42:32 GMT

I wish to add some thoughts to my previous post. I have first and foremost relied on faith over mind. Yes, mind has been a close second, but faith has always been first.

I have been called on in this life to be a long term caregiver for several family members. I just could not allow myself to become sick. As I said, I did not have any life threatening illnesses or injuries during this time of 40 years. I did, however, face many debilitating illnesses and injuries. I fought like all-get-out to get myself well so I could take of others.

Prayer was huge! My other meds were vinegar for UTIs (sometimes took many months to resolve), ice and compression for various body parts, all the sleep I could get here and there.

Today, at 73, and finally under the care of a primary care internist, I am on no medications and my labs continue to check out in good shape.

That all took some mighty powerful faith. I do not recommend my methods to anyone else.

I thoroughly would put my trust in conventional medicine for things I cannot address on my own.

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FLgardener — Fri, 19 Aug 2022 22:24:55 GMT

I'm surprised this topic is not getting more conversation and testimonials. I would like very much to hear them.

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GoneButNotForgotten — Fri, 19 Aug 2022 23:38:18 GMT

@hckynutjohn wrote:
Anyone that has done distance running races over many years, can tell you the "thread title" importance to succeed.

If one has any particular goals, be it time and/or distance, specifically both! They can tell you that at many points of those challenges, your body says "QUIT", but you keep on. How/Why?

Again, read the title of this thread. No successful long distance athlete can reach their goals without knowing, your Body and your Mind, have to work in concert with each other, or you will never get to whatever goal(s) you have set for yourself.

Same with recovering from serious physical setbacks like injuries, or life threatening illnesses. I have been through many of both, and had I not been an optimist? There is absolutely no way I would have made it back to my pre-event physical fitness levels. Once again, your body says "QUIT", but your mind says "I WON'T".

Anyone that believes there is no Mind/Body Connection, in all facets of living life?
Good luck, because your days will seem like weeks/months and years, not days!

hckynut 🇺🇸

well wasn't that special!

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GoneButNotForgotten — Fri, 19 Aug 2022 23:40:38 GMT

I wonder how much "self help" will work if you have something like appendicitis? I did; it burst and if I hadn't had surgery (i.e., invasive procedure) I would have died.

There's some things that "self help" just won't work for.

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GoneButNotForgotten — Fri, 19 Aug 2022 23:42:13 GMT

This entire concept is not applicable to all disease processes. My girlfriend decided with good thoughts and alternative medicine her breast cancer would be healed. She died at the age of 32.

Same thing happened to Steve Jobs. He didn't want his body "desecrated" (or some such term) by cancer surgery, so he died instead.

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FLgardener — Mon, 22 Aug 2022 22:50:17 GMT

@GoneButNotForgotten, It is not an either/or topic. Even when undergoing conventional medical treatments, the mind is a strong healing component and should never be disregarded.

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hckynutjohn — Tue, 23 Aug 2022 06:50:05 GMT

@FLgardener wrote:
@GoneButNotForgotten, It is not an either/or topic. Even when undergoing conventional medical treatments, the mind is a strong healing component and should never be disregarded.

@FLgardener

I pretty much spelled out what you mention here, of course in my style, which is a whole lot more words. It is not an either/or topic, but @GoneButNotForgotten seems to want to make it seem as such.

If you go back and read my last post previous to this one. It details exactly what I have been saying on this forum for over 20+ years. After my explanation of my feelings, coupled with my several life/death experiences! I will quote the response from @GoneButNotForgotten to my post: "well wasn't that special".

The Mind/Body are ONE! They are not separate entities that work best when they do not work together, quite the opposite. For some unknown reason that particular poster wants to separate the 2 from one another. Why?

Maybe they can explain it to you, because that person made it clear to me they have no interest in my opinion, based on my own experiences of needing both working together to still be alive to type this response.

Thank you for trying to explain it once again to someone that seems to believe it is an either/or choice, when it is not.

hckynut 🇺🇸

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FLgardener — Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:55:40 GMT

Clearly, @hckynutjohn , that poster who made disparaging remarks has some other issues going on. I think this is an important topic. That is why I gave my personal insight.

It seems that lately especially, posting on this forum goes for the jugular in hasty posts that are meant to fly back and forth furiously, with little to no real meaning.

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FLgardener — Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:39:53 GMT

Some of the things I do to increase the mind/body connection are:

This is discussed in many places and it really has made a huge change in me. I severely limit my daily news intake.

I severely limit my celebrity knowledge base. Most of it is immoral, at best trashy and seems to advocate desires of the flesh that I think are best kept in the bedroom.

I have had to curtail my reality show watching. At one time I thought it was harmless. I now know it is insidious.

I give dedicated time each day to my faith. Of course, some days I falter, but I try to get back on the path asap.

By following the above practices, I have especially noticed an improvement in sleep. This proves to me that much of the stuff we allow into our brains that seems innocuous is actually damaging our physical health.

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FLgardener — Wed, 24 Aug 2022 00:15:29 GMT

Okay, this may be my best advice ever for injuries just shy of doctors' care, and maybe a little beyond....

Ice, ice, ice--immediate and continuous. I had a serious rotator cuff injury from a fall. I know I should have gone to a doctor, but it was at the height of covid and I decided to stay home and treat myself.

I live alone, so it was okay for me to scream out loud when I had to move my arm and shoulder. I used ice, compression and arm slings (bought from Amazon, a shoulder compression sling and a separate arm sling).

I even picked @hckynutjohn 's brain. To his credit, he recommended professional care. I am a tough bird, though and knew I could stick with home care. Physical rehab was critical.

I researched online physical rehab exercises for rotator cuff injuries and stuck with them daily. It took many months for a full recovery, and I am very satisfied with the results.

Today I have full range of motion in said shoulder and arm. I do not recommend this for anyone but myself.