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Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

Susan Louise — Tue, 02 Nov 2021 19:10:50 GMT

Dr Becky Gillaspy just uploaded a great new short video (4-minutes) on youtube for those who would like a better understanding...

Below is the title to google at youtube:

Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

As I have mentioned several times on many threads, DH and I started at the 60-70 carb level and about every 6 months or so we cut out about 10 carbs. We are down to averaging 20-30 carbs daily with an occasional/rare day of 30-40 carbs.

This works for us because of our own personal insulin resistance level and other issues like our age, etc.

Re: Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

hckynut — Tue, 02 Nov 2021 19:16:38 GMT

@Susan Louise wrote:
Dr Becky Gillaspy just uploaded a great new video (4-minute) on youtube for those who would like a better understanding...

Below is the title to google at youtube:

Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

As I have mentioned several times on many threads, DH and I started at the 60-70 carb level and about every 6 months we cut out about 10 carbs. We are down to averaging 20-30 carbs daily with an occasional/rare day of 30-40 carbs.

This works for us because of our own personal insulin resistance level and other issues like our age, etc.

@Susan Louise

I can't and never would speak for my wife, she is quite capable of speaking for herself. Again I see DH in another of your posts. She has her own account and has spoken on these forums at times, so!

Low Carb/Low Fat/Low Sugar/Low Protein/Low Sodium/Low Minerals, Low, Low, Low. That 3 letter word means zip without a correlation. You say 60-70 as if that is high, and 20-30 as if that is nominal, or is that low?

You mention "other issues like our age", plural. What is your age? Mine as I have said often is born 1939.

Ah!! More videos, I know! Too much to type/repeat, easier to let someone tell their theory.

I have many things that fall into my theoretical world, my choice is to leave most of them there, in my mind as a theory, where they belong.

Fact vs Theory-What's the Difference?

Most here know.

hckynut 🥅🏒

Re: Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

Icegoddess — Tue, 02 Nov 2021 19:25:52 GMT

Hubby and I had this conversation after I got back from the grocery store. I had picked him up some pork rinds and he mentioned that he needed to get back on Keto. Then, he says I did a better job of it than he. I told him I never did keto. I only did a lower carb diet. I stayed under 100g TOTAL carbs/day. That is nowhere near Keto. For me, Keto is just too extreme. I don't want to spend my time worrying about food, counting Carbs, subtracting the fiber to get to NET carbs so you can have more, trying to find that one carb-conscious food that replaces that high carb item you love. It may look like that food, but I guarantee you it doesn't taste like it.

From what I understand, there really is no cut and dried definition of low carb, but anything below 100g total per day would be cosidered low carb, so that's what I went with. Still, I couldn't stick with that as a total lifestyle change.

Realistically, if hubby just gave up drinking beer he would probably have no problem at all losing weight.

Re: Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

Susan Louise — Tue, 02 Nov 2021 19:54:45 GMT

@hckynut wrote:
@Susan Louise wrote:
Dr Becky Gillaspy just uploaded a great new video (4-minute) on youtube for those who would like a better understanding...

Below is the title to google at youtube:

Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

As I have mentioned several times on many threads, DH and I started at the 60-70 carb level and about every 6 months we cut out about 10 carbs. We are down to averaging 20-30 carbs daily with an occasional/rare day of 30-40 carbs.

This works for us because of our own personal insulin resistance level and other issues like our age, etc.

@Susan Louise

I can't and never would speak for my wife, she is quite capable of speaking for herself. Again I see DH in another of your posts. She has her own account and has spoken on these forums at times, so!

Low Carb/Low Fat/Low Sugar/Low Protein/Low Sodium/Low Minerals, Low, Low, Low. That 3 letter word means zip without a correlation. You say 60-70 as if that is high, and 20-30 as if that is nominal, or is that low?

You mention "other issues like our age", plural. What is your age? Mine as I have said often is born 1939.

Ah!! More videos, I know! Too much to type/repeat, easier to let someone tell their theory.

I have many things that fall into my theoretical world, my choice is to leave most of them there, in my mind as a theory, where they belong.

Fact vs Theory-What's the Difference?

Most here know.

hckynut 🥅🏒

@hckynut DH and I started the low carb/keto journey on the same day in Sept 2018. We both cleared out our fridge/pantry & freezer that very day...together.

Since we live together, we pretty much know each other's personal issues related to many things including our lifestyle journey. We poked our fingers together many times to check our blood sugar levels.

We happen to have roughly the same insulin resistance level too even though our gender and height/weight is different, all the other variables associated with insulin resistance (how strong it is) winds up in the end pretty much being the same when it comes to our carb level/count and what works best for us.

Call it lucky or unlucky, but it certainly make meal planning so much easier

Re: Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

hckynut — Tue, 02 Nov 2021 22:06:33 GMT

@Susan Louise

My wife and I have lived together for about 45 years. While we have many of the same things in common, our health journeys are nowhere close to the same. Our genetics play a role in many differences in that respect. Her predispositions are much different than mine, as are our lifestyles, to a certain degree.

When it comes to meals, she does her thing and I do mine. She sometimes plans, I on the other hand prefer off the cuff depending, how I feel, and that generally works. I almost always do this in coordination with what level of workout I have planned for the day. Of course there are the "pre" and the "posts" when it comes to what my body needs to "prevent" or "replenish" itself. I do not ever want to rely on "fat" as an energy source, it is not conducive to vigorous workouts.

My choice of body weight I can adjust for whatever level of activities I have planned down the road. This is determined not so much by how much I eat, but how long and how much I train.

When I played hockey or was a hockey referee, my comfortable weight was 150-155lbs. When I moved into spring and more into distance running, for 1 mile up and through 10k distances, 130-135lbs was the best. For the 26.2 mile Marathons, 120-125lbs was the best.

Unlike my wife years ago that chose to P on a stick(this was in the early 1970's) to check her ketosis level, I chose to add a mile or 2 to my running, if I weighed more than I wished at that time. She chose low to no carbs, I chose more complex carbs to keep my best body fuel at level conducive with my energy expenditure.

During this and in later decades, I always made it a priority to know my body composition. Scale numbers told me very little, so every few years I would undergo Submersion/Hydrostatic Body Composition Testing.

I always wanted to know that my body Fat Levels were around 10% or a couple numbers one way or the other. My most recent one came back with 12% and at my age that is a rewarding number to me.

Having almost died, at last count, 8 times? Do I say it was "luck"? In maybe 2-3 of those instances. The others were directly connected to my body's physical fitness at the time of these events. Without that level of physical and mental fitness? I would not have lived, much less reach a full recovery, a couple in which it took years.

When someone asks me why/how? I tell them whatever part of my experiences that might connect to them. Do I suggest they follow what I did, or do? No, I do not go into specifics of what is best for them. I leave that up to them and their doctor(s) to decide.

I have said on this specific Forum several times recently. What I choose as my eating program I would never want anyone to follow. At my age and my physical activities of the present, it has worked well for me now, for close to 4 years.

Would this have worked for me in my 50's-'60's or early 70's? Probably not, but it has worked great for me from age 78 to my present age of 82. No longer run, but do vigorous exercising 4-5 days a week. And 2-3 of those days are done on ice skates, which I can still do very well at a high level.

Our lives are different in many aspects. I choose to let others ask me about certain things when it comes to physical fitness, or foods. I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian since the mid 1970's, and have never mentioned it to anyone unless the topic came up.

You will not see or hear me espouse my way of living on here unless I am asked. I also do not direct others to videos or the beliefs of certain doctors, MD, or those that like to see "Dr" preceding their names.

Glad to see you reply. Always appreciate the time posters here take to further explain their reasons for certain threads and posts.

hckynut 🏒

Re: Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

Susan Louise — Tue, 02 Nov 2021 22:10:19 GMT

@hckynut wrote:
@Susan Louise

My wife and I have lived together for about 45 years. While we have many of the same things in common, our health journeys are nowhere close to the same. Our genetics play a role in many differences in that respect. Her predispositions are much different than mine, as are our lifestyles, to a certain degree.

When it comes to meals, she does her thing and I do mine. She sometimes plans, I on the other hand prefer off the cuff depending, how I feel, and that generally works. I almost always do this in coordination with what level of workout I have planned for the day. Of course there are the "pre" and the "posts" when it comes to what my body needs to "prevent" or "replenish" itself. I do not ever want to rely on "fat" as an energy source, it is not conducive to vigorous workouts.

My choice of body weight I can adjust for whatever level of activities I have planned down the road. This is determined not so much by how much I eat, but how long and how much I train.

When I played hockey or was a hockey referee, my comfortable weight was 150-155lbs. When I moved into spring and more into distance running, for 1 mile up and through 10k distances, 130-135lbs was the best. For the 26.2 mile Marathons, 120-125lbs was the best.

Unlike my wife years ago that chose to P on a stick(this was in the early 1970's) to check her ketosis level, I chose to add a mile or 2 to my running, if I weighed more than I wished at that time. She chose low to no carbs, I chose more complex carbs to keep my best body fuel at level conducive with my energy expenditure.

During this and in later decades, I always made it a priority to know my body composition. Scale numbers told me very little, so every few years I would undergo Submersion/Hydrostatic Body Composition Testing.

I always wanted to know that my body Fat Levels were around 10% or a couple numbers one way or the other. My most recent one came back with 12% and at my age that is a rewarding number to me.

Having almost died, at last count, 8 times? Do I say it was "luck"? In maybe 2-3 of those instances. The others were directly connected to my body's physical fitness at the time of these events. Without that level of physical and mental fitness? I would not have lived, much less reach a full recovery, a couple in which it took years.

When someone asks me why/how? I tell them whatever part of my experiences that might connect to them. Do I suggest they follow what I did, or do? No, I do not go into specifics of what is best for them. I leave that up to them and their doctor(s) to decide.

I have said on this specific Forum several times recently. What I choose as my eating program I would never want anyone to follow. At my age and my physical activities of the present, it has worked well for me now, for close to 4 years.

Would this have worked for me in my 50's-'60's or early 70's? Probably not, but it has worked great for me from age 78 to my present age of 82. No longer run, but do vigorous exercising 4-5 days a week. And 2-3 of those days are done on ice skates, which I can still do very well at a high level.

Our lives are different in many aspects. I choose to let others ask me about certain things when it comes to physical fitness, or foods. I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian since the mid 1970's, and have never mentioned it to anyone unless the topic came up.

You will not see or hear me espouse my way of living on here unless I am asked. I also do not direct others to videos or the beliefs of certain doctors, MD, or those that like to see "Dr" preceding their names.

Glad to see you reply. Always appreciate the time posters here take to further explain their reasons for certain threads and posts.

hckynut 🏒

@hckynut You are welcome

I'm always glad and help others when I can.

Re: Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

Leeny — Wed, 03 Nov 2021 00:50:50 GMT

@hckynut

I have to marvel at you and all you are doing for yourself. The one thing that made me smile was that you are 82 and still ice skating. More power to you. I am in my 60's and I cringe at the thought of getting on the ice with ice skates.

Re: Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

GinzTonic — Wed, 03 Nov 2021 01:00:59 GMT

Thanks for the video ! I follow a Keto way of eating going on 5 years . Excellent way to live & eat !

Re: Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

ECBG — Wed, 03 Nov 2021 21:56:08 GMT

@Susan Louise @GinzTonic @Leeny If anyone is going to follow KETO, you need to discuss it with your doctor first.

When you eat the high protein and fat of a Keto diet, if you're really efficient, you will have keotones spill over into your blood and urine similar to what a diabetic has in their blood!!!

To mimic the blood of a diabetic is not healthy, especially if you prolong the diet and it is hard on the kidneys too.

When you get off of Keto, you haven't reeducated yourself in healthy eating to maintain the weight loss.

Any doctor or nutritionist will tell you an "eating plan" is the most healthy way to lose weight and the easier on your body. Weight Watchers is an example. The largest weight loss group world wide.

The science part of my degree was spent in chemistry and food science.

Re: Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

JeanLouiseFinch — Wed, 03 Nov 2021 22:26:51 GMT

@ECBG wrote:
@Susan Louise @GinzTonic @Leeny If anyone is going to follow KETO, you need to discuss it with your doctor first.

When you eat the high protein and fat of a Keto diet, if you're really efficient, you will have keotones spill over into your blood and urine similar to what a diabetic has in their blood!!!
To mimic the blood of a diabetic is not healthy, especially if you prolong the diet and it is hard on the kidneys too.

When you get off of Keto, you haven't reeducated yourself in healthy eating to maintain the weight loss.

Any doctor or nutritionist will tell you an "eating plan" is the most healthy way to lose weight and the easier on your body. Weight Watchers is an example. The largest weight loss group world wide.

The science part of my degree was spent in chemistry and food science.

@ECBG contrary to your understanding, the keto way of eating is not a high protein diet. It is high fat, but the protein is moderate, and carbs are low. I think many people would be surprised to find out how little protein is required on a daily basis, to be healthy. Unfortunately the majority of the traditional doctors, nurse practitioners, and nutritionists are not well educated on keto. BTW, Where did you get the information you stated? Your comments simply arent true. The keto way of eating is not a temporary weight loss tool, it's a lifestyle.

Re: Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

ECBG — Wed, 03 Nov 2021 22:47:31 GMT

@JeanLouiseFinch

As I said, nutrition was one side of my double major. I went for the more creative side.

I totally remember the "Dr. Atkins" and the "Drinking Man's Diet".

Decades ago, I tried Atkins and did great, ate what I wanted with no protein limit, and one night, ate 1/2 of a crock pot chicken. I did have an issue, I kept passing out! I did a urine check and was registering keotones. Not good. I was losing weight rapidly and always on the edge of a headache.

I talked with my doctor, and never did that again.

Re: Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

Trinity11 — Wed, 03 Nov 2021 23:16:18 GMT

@ECBG wrote:
@Susan Louise @GinzTonic @Leeny If anyone is going to follow KETO, you need to discuss it with your doctor first.

When you eat the high protein and fat of a Keto diet, if you're really efficient, you will have keotones spill over into your blood and urine similar to what a diabetic has in their blood!!!
To mimic the blood of a diabetic is not healthy, especially if you prolong the diet and it is hard on the kidneys too.

When you get off of Keto, you haven't reeducated yourself in healthy eating to maintain the weight loss.

Any doctor or nutritionist will tell you an "eating plan" is the most healthy way to lose weight and the easier on your body. Weight Watchers is an example. The largest weight loss group world wide.

The science part of my degree was spent in chemistry and food science.

Just to clarify @ECBG . You are speaking of diabetic ketoacidosis. It is completely different than being in ketosis. When I do intermittent fasting, I have mild ketosis. It is not dangerous. As a Type 1 diabetic for over 50 years, what you are confusing with ketoacidosis is a simple reliance of fat instead of glucose to fuel the brain.

Ketoacidosis is when a diabetic does not have enough insulin and the blood becomes acidic. Life saving insulin must be administered immediately. It can kill a diabetic. Eating a ketogenic diet has nothing to do with ketoacidosis but is often confused with the medical emergency.

Re: Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

ECBG — Wed, 03 Nov 2021 23:17:47 GMT

@Trinity11

Many thanks. I was one sick kitten!

Re: Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

Trinity11 — Wed, 03 Nov 2021 23:26:15 GMT

@ECBG wrote:
@Trinity11

Many thanks. I was one sick kitten!

There is an adjustment period when doing a ketogenic diet @ECBG . It can initially cause dehydration and weakness. I enjoyed it because I was never hungry and maintaining my weight was effortless. However, I paid a high price for eating that way for years. I would not suggest it for anyone. The diet you share here is healthy and has a lot of variety. You have real control when you eat sweets. Myself? I have to avoid all desserts or drinks like Instant Breakfast because they set me off to want more and more sweets. That's why I love the idea that there is no one size fits all diet. You do moderation, well. I do better with abstinence. One bowl of ice cream and it's over.😂🙁

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Leeny — Wed, 03 Nov 2021 23:37:05 GMT

@ECBG

I don't believe in dieting this way anymore. I did the Dr. Atkins diet years and years ago and almost did myself in. I was only eating 10 carbs a day. My Dad was a Type I diabetic and I know how he dealt with being in Keto a lot. I have to watch my carbs. but not to the extremes a lot of these "diets" call for. When I was in the hospital a couple years ago I was on a low carb diet.. I was given 40 to 60 carbs per meal and I still was able to lose weight. One just needs to choose wisely. I am sure some will feel that is way to many carbs, but again, it all depends on what kind of carbs you are eating.

Re: Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

bikerbabe — Thu, 04 Nov 2021 00:04:07 GMT

I do not do well on under 125 g carb. I know from much experimentation over the years. I also can’t handle high fat. 🤢 My focus is on whole foods . Organic and grass fed where possible. I’m mainly an ovo-lacto pescatarian. Chicken or beef about one a month. If I had the commitment, my heart would prefer vegan.

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GinzTonic — Thu, 04 Nov 2021 01:09:28 GMT

So much mis information out there . It is important to do research. I eat clean , healthy fats , protein and carbs . I haven't touched a food with an ingredient list in over 5 years . I am 55, have always exercised , and feel this way of eating supports my lifestyle. It' so not about bacon and cheese ! The benefits of eating this way are amazing .

Re: Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

CelticCrafter — Thu, 04 Nov 2021 14:23:55 GMT

Pushing this keto krap diet is as tiresome as the person that pushed the plant based diet. I noticed she no longer posts here.

Re: Low Carb vs Keto - What's The Difference?

FatCatinCT — Wed, 17 Nov 2021 20:07:36 GMT

I do a "dirty keto" eating from 50-75 carbs a day. No gluten or refined sugar and the fats are healthy fats ie avocado, EV olive oil and the like. Keto is NOT high protein. Yes, some people on keto think that they can have a pound of bacon and lose weight. Why yes you can BUT it's not the healthy way to do keto.

ketosis is NOT ketoacidosis!