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3 cases of COVID in fully vaccinated in Hawaii. I have questions.

Mindy D — Sun, 14 Mar 2021 04:47:55 GMT

The Hawaii Department of Health has reported that there are, or were, three cases of persons that were fully vaccinated against COVID that have COVID and one case of a person that had the first dose that has or had the BRITISH variant. The Department said there were no hospitalizations among these infected individuals. The Department did not reveal anything else about the infected persons.

From this news, we can't tell if the persons were SYMPTOMATIC, elderly or obese. From the clinical trials, we already know that the vaccines are 95% effective against symptomatic COVID, hospitalization and death. I wish Hawaii would let the public know more. Were any of the group asymptomatic but got tested due to exposure? Were they symptomatic, with mild symptoms? How long post their second shot did they find out they were infected?

“This number is not outside what we would expect with nearly 165,000 people in Hawai‘i who are fully vaccinated,” the DOH wrote in an email on Friday, March 12.

“Remember, 95% of people get immunity from the vaccines and 5% don’t from the Moderna and Pfizer vaccine,” explained Lt. Gov. Dr. Josh Green. “So one out of 20 people could still not have immunity and therefore catch

"KHON2 asked a doctor at Queen’s Health Systems if there were studies to indicate who might be more likely to catch COVID if vaccinated. There is not, unfortunately. "

Quotes from

KHON2 News online.

by: Nikki Schenfeld

Posted: Mar 12, 2021 / 06:22 PM HST / Updated: Mar 12, 2021 / 06:23 PM HST

Updated information:

The state has identified at least three breakthrough cases in residents. All three cases had either mild or no symptoms and did not transmit the virus to other persons. The DOH said this is proof the vaccines were doing their jobs. A DOH person said that "the vaccines are preventing serious illness as they are designed to do." He also said that "A vaccine with 95% efficacy will protect 95 out of 100 people. This means that 5% may still contract COVID if exposed. The DOH person's statement reflects a misconception about the COVID efficacy rate. This rate means that in clinical trials the likelihood of contracting COVID declined by 95% in the fully vaccinated study participants.

“The vaccines are preventing serious illness as they are designed to do,” a Department of Health spokesperson said, in a statement. "An article in the journal Lancet estimates that means roughly .05% of those vaccinated would be expected to contract COVID after being fully vaccinated, not 5%."

Quotes and info above from Hawaii News Now, March 12, 2021 at 7:57 AM HST - Updated March 13 at 12:03 AM

common misconception of the COVID efficacy rate

Re: 3 cases of COVID in fully vaccinated in Hawaii. I have questions.

DottieBlue — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 22:59:24 GMT

Not sure what point you are trying to make. Everyone knows that none of the available vaccines are 100% effective for any variant of the virus. The vaccines will make your illness less severe if you still contract the virus after being vaccinated.

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millieshops — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:01:25 GMT

@Mindy D Sounds perhaps even a smidgen better than the trial numbers; I do hope as they learn more we, too, will get the information.

The medical people I respect most have never promised we could return to total safety just because we had been vaccinated, but we were told the likelihood of fatal disease or even hospitalization would would fall dramatically. That seems to be the Hawaiian experience so far.

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LuvmyLab — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:02:19 GMT

Being vaccinated against covid does not mean you will never contract it. It is just like the flu, you get vaccinated every year but there is no guarantee that you won't contract it. If you do, the case will be less severe, and the symptoms not as bad but you can still get it. Same as covid. I read that the covid vaccine may become an annual vaccine like the flu.

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Foxxee — Sun, 14 Mar 2021 01:00:57 GMT

Not surprising.

Two times I got the flu about 1 month after receiving the vaccine. They were much worse than anytime I had the flu when I didn't get the vaccine even though we are told the symptoms wouldn't be as bad.

So, I don't believe everything I hear.

So far the vaccine is iffy. How long will immunity last, as well? Some are saying 3-6 months just like the flu vaccine, but no one knows at this point.

Studies on these vaccines are ongoing and rightly so. Look at the form signed before the vaccine is given. It says they are experimental.

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Ladygray — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:09:08 GMT

@LuvmyLab wrote:
Being vaccinated against covid does not mean you will never contract it. It is just like the flu, you get vaccinated every year but there is no guarantee that you won't contract it. If you do, the case will be less severe, and the symptoms not as bad but you can still get it. Same as covid. I read that the covid vaccine may become an annual vaccine like the flu.

Exactly correct! Plus those that have had Moderna or Pfizer have an even better chance of not getting it or having less severe symptoms. J&J is more like the flu shot in that the odds are you can still get it but it's severity will be minimized, like the flu shot. And you can still get it and be asymptomatic.

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Jersey Born — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:11:06 GMT

@Mindy D - I understand the point you are trying to make. You simply would like more specific information about those who were infected post injection with both doses. You have questions, but there are no detailed answers to your questions in the article. I hope you are able to find the answers somewhere else.

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Mindy D — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:15:52 GMT

@DottieBlue wrote:
Not sure what point you are trying to make. Everyone knows that none of the available vaccines are 100% effective for any variant of the virus. The vaccines will make your illness less severe if you still contract the virus after being vaccinated.

@DottieBlue @This news constitutes a real world report. What we already know comes from clinical trial data. I am merely reporting about what is going on in actual cases, in the same way as news reports are doing.

Re: 3 cases of COVID in fully vaccinated in Hawaii. I have questions.

Mindy D — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:34:38 GMT

@Foxxee wrote:
Not surprising.

Two times I got the flu about 1 month after receiving the vaccine. They were worse than anytime I had the flu when I didn't get the vaccine even though we are told the symptoms wouldn't be as bad.

So, I don't believe everything I hear.

So, far the vaccine is iffy. How long will immunity last, as well? Some are saying 3-6 months just like the flu vaccine, but no one knows at this point.

Studies on these vaccines are ongoing and rightly so. Look at the form signed before the vaccine is given. It says they are experimental.

@Foxxee @Influenza vaccines of all types are much less efficacious than the mRNA vaccines against COVID, especially in older persons. The flu vaccines vary in efficacy against the many strains they are designed to protect against and the predictions for which strains will circulate are done a year in advance, making it difficult to accurately

predict which strains to make the vaccines for. In most years, the influenza vaccine efficacy is between 40%-60% for all. This is likely why you became infected despite getting vaccinated. It is also possible the vaccines you got did not contain any protection for the strains you were infected with at all. I know that I want the senior (stronger dose for seniors) quadravalent vaccines in future years, but these only protect against four strains, while there may be more than four strains in circulation.

From CDC:
"CDC conducts studies each year to determine how well the influenza (flu) vaccine protects against flu illness. While vaccine effectiveness (VE) can vary, recent studies show that flu vaccination reduces the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well-matched to the flu vaccine. In general, current flu vaccines tend to work better against influenza B and influenza A(H1N1) viruses and offer lower protection against influenza A(H3N2) viruses. See “Does flu vaccine effectiveness vary by type or subtype?” and “Why is flu vaccine typically less effective against influenza A H3N2 viruses?” for more information."

Re: 3 cases of COVID in fully vaccinated in Hawaii. I have questions.

Mindy D — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:25:32 GMT

@Jersey Born wrote:
@Mindy D - I understand the point you are trying to make. You simply would like more specific information about those who were infected post injection with both doses. You have questions, but there are no detailed answers to your questions in the article. I hope you are able to find the answers somewhere else.

@Jersey Born @I just wanted to let people know about the cases. I also have my own questions.

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Mindy D — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:36:01 GMT

@LuvmyLab wrote:
Being vaccinated against covid does not mean you will never contract it. It is just like the flu, you get vaccinated every year but there is no guarantee that you won't contract it. If you do, the case will be less severe, and the symptoms not as bad but you can still get it. Same as covid. I read that the covid vaccine may become an annual vaccine like the flu.

@LuvmyLab @It could even be semi annual. This will greatly depend on the amount and speed of persons vaccinated here and worldwide. The quicker we are all vaccinated the less chances there are for variants unresponsive to vaccines to emerge.

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scatcat — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:38:11 GMT

What?!

64 million people have received at least 1 shot and 3 vaccinated people got Covid?

Shut it down. It's not working

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BlueFinch — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:46:07 GMT

If memory serves, there were eight people in one of the Pfizer study groups who contracted COVID, too. But, when numbers were totaled and averaged, it was considered an insignificant amount, that did not lower the efficacy of the vaccine. Plus, I don't believe any of these individuals became seriously ill, which is what we're going after. Will this change with the birth of new variants? Possibly. Only time will tell.

Frankly, right now, I worry more about proper storage of the vaccine, with proper administration and dosing (yes, there have been errors) that can affect vaccine efficacy. If there is illness following the vaccine, all factors would need to be looked at.

The immunity acquired depends on the individual, too. Some may not gain as much protection. I remember taking my hospital required Hepatitis vaccine series (2 doses months apart), only to develop NO titers. Zero. How could that be? I had to take the series again (argh) and developed some titers, but very little and questionably protective. We never knew why. We're very complicated, individual beings, regardless of how many ways we're all alike.

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itsmagic — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 23:49:27 GMT

@Mindy D I was actually thinking about this subject earlier today but I never took the time to google it. Thanks for posting about it.

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Nonametoday — Sun, 14 Mar 2021 00:10:40 GMT

@Foxxee wrote:
Not surprising.

Two times I got the flu about 1 month after receiving the vaccine. They were much worse than anytime I had the flu when I didn't get the vaccine even though we are told the symptoms wouldn't be as bad.

So, I don't believe everything I hear.

So far the vaccine is iffy. How long will immunity last, as well? Some are saying 3-6 months just like the flu vaccine, but no one knows at this point.

Studies on these vaccines are ongoing and rightly so. Look at the form signed before the vaccine is given. It says they are experimental.

@Foxxee

The only times I got the flu were when I got the vaccination. Since I am immunglobulin-deficient, my immunologist/hematologists have told me not to get the vaccine because I never had flu until I got the vax and had it every time --- once I had it twice in on season and the danger was giving it to my husband whose health is fragile.

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jeanlake — Sun, 14 Mar 2021 00:18:45 GMT

I realize everyone has different opinions regarding getting vaccinated. I'm not here to fuss. That being said, covid vaccine does give us a fighting chance. As a nurse told me - keeping us out of hospital and off ventilater.

Lost a family friend last week to covid. Young grandmother who had asthma challenges. So sad. Hubs had covid in October. He landed in hospital two days last week -- shortness of breath after exercise. Post covid symptoms. He's on heart meds now. Not sure for how long.

Whatever we can do to stay safe and keep others safe is what I'll be doing. Stay healthy, good people.

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Sooner — Sun, 14 Mar 2021 00:23:57 GMT

@LuvmyLab wrote:
Being vaccinated against covid does not mean you will never contract it. It is just like the flu, you get vaccinated every year but there is no guarantee that you won't contract it. If you do, the case will be less severe, and the symptoms not as bad but you can still get it. Same as covid. I read that the covid vaccine may become an annual vaccine like the flu.

Let's say probably will be less severe. There are no guarantees.

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stevieb — Sun, 14 Mar 2021 00:28:13 GMT

It appears the original questions were answered and so perhaps the key is to wait for futher disclosure before sounding the alarm.

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stevieb — Sun, 14 Mar 2021 00:31:44 GMT

I believe we've all known for some time that the vaccines would not be perfect but, for now, they're what we have, and I, for one, will take what I can get, hoping for more effective treatments and vaccines to arrive.

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shoesnbags — Sun, 14 Mar 2021 01:27:35 GMT

@Foxxee wrote:
Not surprising.

Two times I got the flu about 1 month after receiving the vaccine. They were much worse than anytime I had the flu when I didn't get the vaccine even though we are told the symptoms wouldn't be as bad.

So, I don't believe everything I hear.

So far the vaccine is iffy. How long will immunity last, as well? Some are saying 3-6 months just like the flu vaccine, but no one knows at this point.

Studies on these vaccines are ongoing and rightly so. Look at the form signed before the vaccine is given. It says they are experimental.

@Foxxee
I keep reading similar statements on these forums. I got the Moderna vaccine at a pharmacy and signed no such form.