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Getting Covid After Vaccination

JanetsGirl — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 17:13:43 GMT

Quite a few news stories about people -- namely Congresspersons -- getting Covid even after their second dose of vaccine. The news stories mention that it takes a week or two after the second dose for the vaccine to reach its full effectiveness. The news stories also state that the vaccines' effectiveness to prevent asymptomatic Covid is uncertain.

Hmmm. That is not encouraging. But information worthy to know.

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Gorgf — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 17:29:20 GMT

That makes me wonder about the j &j vaccine that is 66% effective that supposedly is coming out as an option? The flu shots are even less than that and certainly don't totally prevent the flu. I have gotten the flu but not as severe or long lasting with the flu shot. So does that mean one's Covid won't be as severe with 66%? My Stepdaughters symptoms of Covid were like the flu. Some only lose a sense of taste. I dislike thinking masks will be needed for a long time.

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millieshops — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 17:34:54 GMT

@JanetsGirl I think so many people have been so impatient to get the vaccine that they ignore that warning that its effectiveness takes a few weeks. It's been talked about from the beginning, but not enough probably.

I'm not quite sure on the asymptomatic issue what's really going on. I know we are dangerous spreaders for a day or two before we get sick ourselves, but I don't understand what happens if you get the vaccine thinking you are negative when really your body is just "waiting" to tell you that you have Covid.

My understanding was that there's no Covid in the 2 vaccines being used now, so those getting ill after the shot were exposed when and to whom?

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Sooner — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 18:32:56 GMT

We have no real evidence of how effective it really is or how long that effectiveness lasts. We won't have that for years.

We are extremely cautious and I do not see that changing for a very long time. I'm not going to rely on something as untested as these vaccines to keep me from dying.

Until after Thanksgiving we had not known too many people who contracted it and just a few elderly who had died (very elderly that is). Now? Different story and a number of friends have passed away from COVID after they all got together for the holidays.

I am not going to blame people. It is their choice, but I will say some very bad decisions were made and deaths were preventable which is so very sad.

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itsmagic — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 18:44:05 GMT

@Gorgf wrote:
That makes me wonder about the j &j vaccine that is 66% effective that supposedly is coming out as an option? The flu shots are even less than that and certainly don't totally prevent the flu. I have gotten the flu but not as severe or long lasting with the flu shot. So does that mean one's Covid won't be as severe with 66%? My Stepdaughters symptoms of Covid were like the flu. Some only lose a sense of taste. I dislike thinking masks will be needed for a long time.

I heard Dr. Fauci say that in the trial no one who received the J&J vaccine and later got Covid ended up in the hospital or dying (it was manageable at home). So like you said it made me think too that it was more like the yearly flu shot - you still might get it but not as severe.

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ALRATIBA — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 18:55:37 GMT

I saw an article earlier this week that about 10% of the Covid tests were giving "false" positive results.

The one guy I read about today was negative before shot, negative after shot, positive after attending that function.

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Carmie — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 19:04:55 GMT

No where has it been said or proven that the vaccine will keep you from getting Covid. You most certainally can get Covid after the vaccine.

It will keep you from having symptoms and keep you out of the hospital. That's how it works.

You still have to social distance and wear a mask even if vaccinated. You could be passing Covid to an unvaccinated person after you were vaccinated and not know it.

Most of us are not in a position to be tested regularly after we have been vaccinated like our law makers. So, there will we many vaccinated people walking around and potentially passing Covid to others.

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bmorechick — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 19:47:05 GMT

@Carmie wrote:
No where has it been said or proven that the vaccine will keep you from getting Covid. You most certainally can get Covid after the vaccine.

It will keep you from having symptoms and keep you out of the hospital. That's how it works.

You still have to social distance and wear a mask even if vaccinated. You could be passing Covid to an unvaccinated person after you were vaccinated and not know it.

Most of us are not in a position to be tested regularly after we have been vaccinated like our law makers. So, there will we many vaccinated people walking around and potentially passing Covid to others.

From my nurse daughter who works in a covid unit, yes that is how it works. You get the shot to tamper down symptoms should you contract it. Because of the newness of the virus, the two shot dose is probably a precaution due to the extreme contagion factor and the amount of people who have gotten it. More than likely, if one chooses to vaccinate regularly, it will be one dose like the flu shot. I got the flu when I was maybe 30 years old and I can tell you, I was never sicker in my life...and I was and still am active and athletic. My husband got it from me and he was just as sick. After that, we got the flu shot every year and that has been 35 years worth of flu shots. Never got the flu again.

Being in health care, I already got covid dose 1. No side effects at all. I get dose 2 mid Feb and will be happy. I double mask, carry hand sanitizer in my coat pockets and a container of wipes in my car to wipe down the grocery cart before I grab it. I do not trust stores are actually disinfecting. I believe we will return to normalcy at some point, but probably not until 2023. My sister in law works with Fauci's team at NIH and thats the consensus there.

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gabstoomuch — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 19:49:11 GMT

Ya, none of the vaccines prevent you from getting Covid. They only claim to make it less severe, more likely to keep you out of the hospital and a lower chance of death. People who get Covid soon after vaccine were most likely infected pre-vaccine and didn't know it. I don't see them testing anyone before vaccine, so I guess it doesn't matter except for people who are not researching or paying attention and they get a false sense of security getting the vaccine.

It is not like the measles vaccine where if you got it you do not get the measles. These are more stop gap vaccines. I do wonder though, when making them, were they more concerned with not overwhelming the hospitals? That seems to be the thing they are saying the most. "It will keep people out of the hospital, thereby not overwhelming our medical system". I would like more focus on what is data showing for side effects but it may be too soon to have any long term data yet.

The truth is, our own immune systems and what other health conditions really determine how bad you get this virus. It is such a weird virus no two people get the same illness. Some get terribly ill, others don't feel bad at all, some get over it in 2 days.

I know a woman who is a health nut, does everything possible to keep her immune system strong (some questionable things, but I don't judge) and other things that really do keep an immune system healthy, and she got clobbered, severely ill when she finally got it. She was an anti-masker because she was so convinced she had the best immune system.

It is all so confusing. If EVERYONE got the vaccine then it would snuff the virus out because it would have no host. I don't see any country getting to 100% vaccinated. Hard to see an end to this madness.

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bmorechick — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 19:57:23 GMT

@gabstoomuch

I agree with you...my daughter has a friend who donates blood regularly. Just something she has always done. Recently, before donation they tested her blood and antibodies for covid were present. She was floored. She was never sick. Not even close. The tech said she was more than likely exposed at some point. It's really weird to me as well. Because of that, I'm not willing to gamble that I won't be one tied to a respirator.

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wonderfulworld — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 19:59:48 GMT

You know people keep talking about underlying conditions....I know two mid-seventy year old diabetics who had mild cases.

Likewise, a 39 year old, 50 year old and 60 year old that seemed very healthy. Now all three gone. 2 men and a woman. This was in the last 3 months as opposed to early on.

There seems to be no guarantee how any one person will react.

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wonderfulworld — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:04:07 GMT

I would like to pose a question: We have good friends that we have not socialized with since last March. We will all have both doses of the Pfizer vaccine soon.

Are the four of us safe to meet again...with masks? without?

I know this is just asking for opinions but would like your thoughts.

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shoesnbags — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:16:51 GMT

@wonderfulworld wrote:
I would like to pose a question: We have good friends that we have not socialized with since last March. We will all have both doses of the Pfizer vaccine soon.
Are the four of us safe to meet again...with masks? without?
I know this is just asking for opinions but would like your thoughts.

Just my opinion: Any of the four of you could still infect the other three, who would then get a mild case because they have been vaccinated. That's based on what they are telling us at this point, that we can still catch the virus and still pass it on after we are vaccinated. So if you don't mind getting a mild (or symptom free) case, you could skip the mask and get cozy. Otherwise, wear a mask and distance, even after all 4 of you are vaccinated.

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henderson — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:21:13 GMT

I just got the vaccine (1st one) at Southern Nevada Health District. They handed out an information sheet on the Pzfizer vaccine which said "The Pfixer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is an unapproved vaccine that may prevent COVID-19. There is no FDA-approved vaccine to prevent COVID-19 It may prvent you from getting COVID-19." I thought it was approved by the FDA.

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Carmie — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:39:56 GMT

@henderson It was approved to be used on an emergency basis.

The vaccine itself, has not gone through evey stage of testing that all other vaccines had to go through. There are still many unknowns about the vaccine. The FDA has not given a full approval for the COVID vaccine.

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Nonametoday — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:52:46 GMT

@wonderfulworld wrote:
You know people keep talking about underlying conditions....I know two mid-seventy year old diabetics who had mild cases.
Likewise, a 39 year old, 50 year old and 60 year old that seemed very healthy. Now all three gone. 2 men and a woman. This was in the last 3 months as opposed to early on.
There seems to be no guarantee how any one person will react.

@wonderfulworld

Same thing in our community here. One man with stage IV cancer and barely had any symptoms and his wife who was otherwise healthy on respirator and the first person in our area to come off the respirator alive. A heathy 48-year-old man who was very fit and recently retired military officer died. A 100-plus-year-old male lived and his 80ish wife died. A postal worker, 33, died and many 70-ish people have hardly had any symptoms. A 40-year-old obese diabetic married to a healthy 38-year-old who is in the hospital in serious condition and he has no symptoms. It's a crazy virus.

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Nonametoday — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:55:06 GMT

@wonderfulworld wrote:
I would like to pose a question: We have good friends that we have not socialized with since last March. We will all have both doses of the Pfizer vaccine soon.
Are the four of us safe to meet again...with masks? without?
I know this is just asking for opinions but would like your thoughts.

@wonderfulworld

My understanding is that you can still have the virus and not know it and give it to others. I don't think this works until it changes certain things in your body. This is different from any vaccination ever on the market because the viral properties are different. Even after the second one, you could give it to someone unknowingly because this vaccination, according to my understanding, does not prevent you from having it but makes your case light, if you have it. But who knows, in 20 years all the people who took it may have grown chicken wings.

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noodleann — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 21:03:27 GMT

@henderson wrote:
I just got the vaccine (1st one) at Southern Nevada Health District. They handed out an information sheet on the Pzfizer vaccine which said "The Pfixer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is an unapproved vaccine that may prevent COVID-19. There is no FDA-approved vaccine to prevent COVID-19 It may prvent you from getting COVID-19." I thought it was approved by the FDA.

It wasn't approved. It got an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). Different standard.

I am waiting for full approval, which will probably happen early next year. I also want to see how effective the vaccines are in real-world conditions, across millions of people, many of whom will not be masking or distancing once they've had their second shots, based on things I'm reading here and elsewhere. I also want to see whether or not there are late-emerging side effects from the vaccine, especially for people like me, with deranged immune systems.

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Nonametoday — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 21:12:57 GMT

@noodleann

I have to take it in order for my doctor to see me and same with my husband. They are refusing to see their patients in situ if they have not had the vaccination. So, we can't lose our doctors. We need our medications.

But I have immunoglobulin deficiency so I am somewhat afraid for myself but even worse, my husband is a very frail patient with many conditions and this frightens me as two people in our age group in our community with atrial fib-flutter had strokes after the first vaccination. So, to say the least, I am not looking forward to it but must proceed.

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KaySD — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 21:20:58 GMT

Nope, vaccines aren't perfect, and the safety of any one individual is not guaranteed. Still, it's pretty darn good odds. And if enough of us get it, and wear masks, we will block the virus from spreading freely as it does now. I am looking forward to that!