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Brand New Guidelines for PCR Testing from the WHO

Jersey Born — Fri, 22 Jan 2021 13:11:39 GMT

On January 20th, 2021, the WHO posted new guidelines to reduce the number of false positives occurring from PCR tests. I am posting this here so no one will be surprised if a 2nd test is determined to be necessary for them after they have received a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result. Here are the new rules:

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

Re: Brand New Guidelines for PCR Testing from the WHO

SilleeMee — Fri, 22 Jan 2021 13:55:13 GMT

I'd rather have a false positive than a false negative.

False negatives are giving people a sense of security then they go and unknowingly spread the virus. Testing needs to be more accurate and more precise....the science is still lacking.

Re: Brand New Guidelines for PCR Testing from the WHO

hckynut — Fri, 22 Jan 2021 15:11:03 GMT

The WHO? I steer away from anything they have to say. Once they showed me who the WHO really is all about, no thanks. I'll ask 1 of our felines.

hckynut

Re: Brand New Guidelines for PCR Testing from the WHO

Bhvbum — Fri, 22 Jan 2021 17:35:52 GMT

@hckynut wrote:
The WHO? I steer away from anything they have to say. Once they showed me who the WHO really is all about, no thanks. I'll ask 1 of our felines.

hckynut

Please then include the United States of America on your list to stay away from, with over 450,000 dead in almost 25,000,000 cases, our credibility is much worse these days.

Here's a few things the WHO accomplished while you were not noticing them: The WHO has played a leading role in several public health achievements, most notably the eradication of smallpox, the near-eradication of polio, and the development of an Ebola vaccine. Its current priorities include communicable diseases, particularly HIV/AIDS, Ebola, malaria and tuberculosis; non-communicable diseases such as heart disease and cancer; healthy diet, nutrition, and food security; occupational health; and substance abuse.

Re: Brand New Guidelines for PCR Testing from the WHO

Porcelain — Fri, 22 Jan 2021 20:01:54 GMT

@hckynut wrote:
The WHO? ... I'll ask 1 of our felines.

hckynut

I just asked my cat about PCR testing and he blinked at me.

I think that means he advises me to consult the WHO and CDC so I can follow the latest safety guidelines. In order to survive and not catch Covid, which could interrupt the timeliness of his treats. He is in favor of me remaining healthy so he is not inconvenienced foodwise and lapwise.

So now we have one of the nation's foremost experts we can all trust weighing in--in FAVOR of paying attention to the stats and guidelines from the WHO and CDC. Breaking expert news report from the field, signing off.

Re: Brand New Guidelines for PCR Testing from the WHO

noodleann — Fri, 22 Jan 2021 20:15:40 GMT

And here's a new one from the CDC, according to the NYTimes:

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has quietly changed its recommendations for coronavirus immunizations to allow patients to switch the authorized vaccines between the first and second doses in “exceptional situations,” and to extend the interval between doses to six weeks, even though such changes have not been studied in large clinical trials."

By way of defining "exceptional situations," the CDC's website says:

"In exceptional situations in which the first-dose vaccine product cannot be determined or is no longer available, any available mRNA COVID-19 vaccine may be administered at a minimum interval of 28 days between doses to complete the mRNA COVID-19 vaccination series. If two doses of different mRNA COVID-19 vaccine products are administered in these situations (or inadvertently), no additional doses of either product are recommended at this time."

Wonder whether this will change if/when the single-dose J&J becomes available. Another CDC coin flip.

This kind of thing is why people scoff at the admonition to "trust science."

WHO doesn't inspire confidence either.

Fortunately, I have cats. Information problem solved.

Re: Brand New Guidelines for PCR Testing from the WHO

mom2four0418 — Fri, 22 Jan 2021 20:29:53 GMT

@noodleann wrote:
And here's a new one from the CDC, according to the NYTimes:

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has quietly changed its recommendations for coronavirus immunizations to allow patients to switch the authorized vaccines between the first and second doses in “exceptional situations,” and to extend the interval between doses to six weeks, even though such changes have not been studied in large clinical trials."

By way of defining "exceptional situations," the CDC's website says:
"In exceptional situations in which the first-dose vaccine product cannot be determined or is no longer available, any available mRNA COVID-19 vaccine may be administered at a minimum interval of 28 days between doses to complete the mRNA COVID-19 vaccination series. If two doses of different mRNA COVID-19 vaccine products are administered in these situations (or inadvertently), no additional doses of either product are recommended at this time."

Wonder whether this will change if/when the single-dose J&J becomes available. Another CDC coin flip.

This kind of thing is why people scoff at the admonition to "trust science."

WHO doesn't inspire confidence either.

Fortunately, I have cats. Information problem solved.

I always trust science..

Re: Brand New Guidelines for PCR Testing from the WHO

Lali1 — Fri, 22 Jan 2021 20:44:29 GMT

@mom2four0418 wrote:
@noodleann wrote:
And here's a new one from the CDC, according to the NYTimes:

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has quietly changed its recommendations for coronavirus immunizations to allow patients to switch the authorized vaccines between the first and second doses in “exceptional situations,” and to extend the interval between doses to six weeks, even though such changes have not been studied in large clinical trials."

By way of defining "exceptional situations," the CDC's website says:
"In exceptional situations in which the first-dose vaccine product cannot be determined or is no longer available, any available mRNA COVID-19 vaccine may be administered at a minimum interval of 28 days between doses to complete the mRNA COVID-19 vaccination series. If two doses of different mRNA COVID-19 vaccine products are administered in these situations (or inadvertently), no additional doses of either product are recommended at this time."

Wonder whether this will change if/when the single-dose J&J becomes available. Another CDC coin flip.

This kind of thing is why people scoff at the admonition to "trust science."

WHO doesn't inspire confidence either.

Fortunately, I have cats. Information problem solved.

I always trust science..

If scientist had no biases I would trust them but they do. I just heard that some strains of the virus may not be stopped by the vaccines currently out. This virus is too new to believe anyone knows everything there is to know about it.

Re: Brand New Guidelines for PCR Testing from the WHO

noodleann — Fri, 22 Jan 2021 21:14:46 GMT

@mom2four0418 wrote:
@noodleann wrote:
And here's a new one from the CDC, according to the NYTimes:

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has quietly changed its recommendations for coronavirus immunizations to allow patients to switch the authorized vaccines between the first and second doses in “exceptional situations,” and to extend the interval between doses to six weeks, even though such changes have not been studied in large clinical trials."

By way of defining "exceptional situations," the CDC's website says:
"In exceptional situations in which the first-dose vaccine product cannot be determined or is no longer available, any available mRNA COVID-19 vaccine may be administered at a minimum interval of 28 days between doses to complete the mRNA COVID-19 vaccination series. If two doses of different mRNA COVID-19 vaccine products are administered in these situations (or inadvertently), no additional doses of either product are recommended at this time."

Wonder whether this will change if/when the single-dose J&J becomes available. Another CDC coin flip.

This kind of thing is why people scoff at the admonition to "trust science."

WHO doesn't inspire confidence either.

Fortunately, I have cats. Information problem solved.

I always trust science..

Goody for you. What I quoted isn't "science," it's a wet finger in the wind.

I am unhappy that the sources we're supposed to be able to rely on for good information and sound, scientifically based decison-making aren't delivering. I don't understand why anyone would defend this kind of nonsense. They behave as if they're completely unaccountable. It's deeply disgusting.

Re: Brand New Guidelines for PCR Testing from the WHO

Porcelain — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 01:09:38 GMT

@noodleann wrote:
@mom2four0418 wrote:
Fortunately, I have cats. Information problem solved.

I always trust science..
@noodleann

Where did you get the idea that the CDC is not providing scientifically based sound medical advice? I assume your opinions are based on something outside yourself. Right now what you've said here sounds to me similar to someone saying ESPN is lying to them because last week they provided different sports scores than they did this week, ignoring the reasons for it.

Getting every willing person vaccinated is the goal right now. If you get one brand vaccination for you first shot, they are saying it's okay to get a different brand for your second shot if that's the only kind available. That's really great news and adds flexibility to get this done.

Re: Brand New Guidelines for PCR Testing from the WHO

Tadaki — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 02:47:02 GMT

@Porcelain wrote:
@hckynut wrote:
The WHO? ... I'll ask 1 of our felines.

hckynut

I just asked my cat about PCR testing and he blinked at me.

I think that means he advises me to consult the WHO and CDC so I can follow the latest safety guidelines. In order to survive and not catch Covid, which could interrupt the timeliness of his treats. He is in favor of me remaining healthy so he is not inconvenienced foodwise and lapwise.

So now we have one of the nation's foremost experts we can all trust weighing in--in FAVOR of paying attention to the stats and guidelines from the WHO and CDC. Breaking expert news report from the field, signing off.

@Porcelain You put a smile on my face. That is a very smart cat!

Re: Brand New Guidelines for PCR Testing from the WHO

hckynut — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 08:03:12 GMT

@Bhvbum wrote:
@hckynut wrote:
The WHO? I steer away from anything they have to say. Once they showed me who the WHO really is all about, no thanks. I'll ask 1 of our felines.

hckynut
Please then include the United States of America on your list to stay away from, with over 450,000 dead in almost 25,000,000 cases, our credibility is much worse these days.

Here's a few things the WHO accomplished while you were not noticing them: The WHO has played a leading role in several public health achievements, most notably the eradication of smallpox, the near-eradication of polio, and the development of an Ebola vaccine. Its current priorities include communicable diseases, particularly HIV/AIDS, Ebola, malaria and tuberculosis; non-communicable diseases such as heart disease and cancer; healthy diet, nutrition, and food security; occupational health; and substance abuse.

@Bhvbum

If you wish to go back in history to Jonas Salk, be my guest. As I have said adnausem on this and other forums. I do not live in the past or the future, I live the now, 1 day at a time.

To avoid stating political facts I will leave you with this.

hckynut

Re: Brand New Guidelines for PCR Testing from the WHO

hckynut — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 08:07:36 GMT

@Porcelain wrote:
@hckynut wrote:
The WHO? ... I'll ask 1 of our felines.

hckynut

I just asked my cat about PCR testing and he blinked at me.

I think that means he advises me to consult the WHO and CDC so I can follow the latest safety guidelines. In order to survive and not catch Covid, which could interrupt the timeliness of his treats. He is in favor of me remaining healthy so he is not inconvenienced foodwise and lapwise.

So now we have one of the nation's foremost experts we can all trust weighing in--in FAVOR of paying attention to the stats and guidelines from the WHO and CDC. Breaking expert news report from the field, signing off.

@Porcelain ,

3 of our 4 felines blinked twice when I asked them about this. I will stay with my original statement about the WHO. I don't recall including CDC.

hckynut

Re: Brand New Guidelines for PCR Testing from the WHO

hckynut — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 08:11:11 GMT

@mom2four0418

"I always trust science".

As do I, most of the time. Science and Scientists are 2 different topics, and the latter? Not so much!

hckynut

Re: Brand New Guidelines for PCR Testing from the WHO

agb80 — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 09:02:49 GMT

Hard to know who to trust. So many reasons not to trust. My precious little ktties have no information for me except want me to stay healthy so their supply of food doesn't end.

Re: Brand New Guidelines for PCR Testing from the WHO

Mom2Dogs — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 12:54:16 GMT

Who is surprised the new guidelines came to be at this time.... a tad suspicious.

Re: Brand New Guidelines for PCR Testing from the WHO

noodleann — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 13:18:05 GMT

@Porcelain wrote:
@noodleann wrote:
@mom2four0418 wrote:
Fortunately, I have cats. Information problem solved.

I always trust science..
@noodleann
Where did you get the idea that the CDC is not providing scientifically based sound medical advice? I assume your opinions are based on something outside yourself. Right now what you've said here sounds to me similar to someone saying ESPN is lying to them because last week they provided different sports scores than they did this week, ignoring the reasons for it.

Getting every willing person vaccinated is the goal right now. If you get one brand vaccination for you first shot, they are saying it's okay to get a different brand for your second shot if that's the only kind available. That's really great news and adds flexibility to get this done.

I "got the idea" from what I read from the NYT and other sources. There is no legitimate, sound basis that's been shared with the public for the CDC to say, hey, go ahead and get a Moderna shot for your second dose, even if you've had a Pfizer first, or vice versa. There's no test data to support that that's okay. And the data are lacking to support an extended waiting period for the second shot. So it really does not appear to be science they're basing this on. They have no reason to say it's "okay." That's really BAD NEWS and adds more confusion to an already confused situation, and justifiably deepens the sense of distrust people have of the CDC.

I'd also like some accounting for why people don't have the information on what, exactly, they were given first. There is a vaccination card on which that data should be recorded, as well as date, lot number, etc., and presumably those data are also being captured and databased.

If this isn't happening, it's a free-for-all without accountability. Given what's at stake--the health of the American public--and the billions that have been squandered on this already, that is not acceptable.

Re: Brand New Guidelines for PCR Testing from the WHO

SXMGirl — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 13:18:42 GMT

I just read that WHO said that the pandemic was not handled well globally, which resulted in so many deaths. While I have no idea all of the things that WHO does, I would think that they should have been the leader in how the pandemic was and is being handled.