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Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

Nightowlz — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 22:16:21 GMT

Re: Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

jpie — Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:00:37 GMT

Thank you for posting this information. The Ca/Mg TS, several years ago, was in October. I got out of the cycle of ordering this specific Procaps supplement and have been purchasing capsules from Piping Rock. So, I will need to think about this one. The K2-MK7 will be a reorder for me. Costco just recently introduced this supplement, but it is expensive. I trust Andrew's ongoing research.

Re: Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

willdob3 — Sat, 07 Dec 2019 21:44:05 GMT

@Nightowlz

I’ve recently heard opinions that K2 MK-4 is better than MK-7. I’d never even heard of MK-4. Have you? I guess this would be the time to research it.

Re: Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

jpie — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 11:20:02 GMT

@willdob3 wrote:
@Nightowlz

I’ve recently heard opinions that K2 MK-4 is better than MK-7. I’d never even heard of MK-4. Have you? I guess this would be the time to research it.

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@willdob3

I hope you don't mind me jumping in here. I appreciate you posting this question as I was not familiar with the MK-4 form.

This is what I found from a company called Thorne.

Is your vitamin K2 the MK-4 form or the MK-7 form?

Thorne offers both forms of vitamin K2 in different products. The end result of vitamin K2 synthesis is two vitamin K2 subtypes known as menaquinones, either MK-4 or MK-7. Both subtypes are nearly completely absorbed in the body, with peak serum concentration for MK-4 occurring at two hours after ingestion, and for MK-7 at four hours after ingestion. However, whereas MK-4 disappears from the bloodstream in about 8 hours, MK-7 can remain in the bloodstream for as long as 72 hours. Thorne uses both subtypes of Vitamin K2. Thorne’s 3-K Complete contains significantly more MK-4 than most other multiple-K products on the market, in addition to MK-7 as MenaQ7®, the form used in the majority of MK-7 research. Both are soy free unlike many others on the market.

I didn't check out their prices.

Re: Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

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Re: Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

VaBelle35 — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 20:08:05 GMT

Re: Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

jpie — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 15:55:39 GMT

@VaBelle35 wrote:
That MK information is interesting, thanks for posting.

So if you are taking 2 Cal/Mags a day, and splitting them up because your body can only absorb 500mg at a time, you would want the K7 because it stays in your body longer for when you take that second dose of Cal/Mag later in the day. That's the main job of K7 is to direct the calcium to the right place.

That's my theory.

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I agree with your theory. If MK7 stays in your blood serum, and you take one capsule each day, it should not only direct the calcium from Ca-Mg,no matter how you split up your dose, but also from any Ca you consume from your diet throughout the day.

Re: Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

willdob3 — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 18:10:19 GMT

@VaBelle35 wrote:
That MK information is interesting, thanks for posting.

So if you are taking 2 Cal/Mags a day, and splitting them up because your body can only absorb 500mg at a time, you would want the K7 because it stays in your body longer for when you take that second dose of Cal/Mag later in the day. That's the main job of K7 is to direct the calcium to the right place.

That's my theory.

@VaBelle35 @jpie

I don’t think it is which is best anymore. I need to do more research but it sounds like we really need both; they have different functions. MK4 sounds very important and, at this point, not something I want to go without.

Re: Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

jpie — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 18:30:56 GMT

@willdob3

I understand what you are saying.

Re: Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

willdob3 — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 18:51:15 GMT

@jpie @VaBelle35

I think I will try Thorne’s 3-K supplement. Thorne is a very good company and I already use some of their supplements.

Re: Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

VaBelle35 — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 20:07:32 GMT

Re: Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

willdob3 — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 19:50:28 GMT

@VaBelle35 wrote:
Looking at some studies on Pub Med, MK4 is not bioavailable and one study said they couldn't detect it in the bloodstream after supplementing but MK7 could.

Still reading....

@VaBelle35

MK4 is available for a shorter amount of time than MK7 but MK7 doesn’t do what MK4 does. They are not interchangeable.

Re: Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

VaBelle35 — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 20:13:48 GMT

@Worldtravler Andrew said Mk7 may not be an TS in 2020.

Re: Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

Mindy D — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 20:22:37 GMT

@jpie wrote:
@willdob3 wrote:
@Nightowlz

I’ve recently heard opinions that K2 MK-4 is better than MK-7. I’d never even heard of MK-4. Have you? I guess this would be the time to research it.

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@willdob3

I hope you don't mind me jumping in here. I appreciate you posting this question as I was not familiar with the MK-4 form.

This is what I found from a company called Thorne.

Is your vitamin K2 the MK-4 form or the MK-7 form?
Thorne offers both forms of vitamin K2 in different products. The end result of vitamin K2 synthesis is two vitamin K2 subtypes known as menaquinones, either MK-4 or MK-7. Both subtypes are nearly completely absorbed in the body, with peak serum concentration for MK-4 occurring at two hours after ingestion, and for MK-7 at four hours after ingestion. However, whereas MK-4 disappears from the bloodstream in about 8 hours, MK-7 can remain in the bloodstream for as long as 72 hours. Thorne uses both subtypes of Vitamin K2. Thorne’s 3-K Complete contains significantly more MK-4 than most other multiple-K products on the market, in addition to MK-7 as MenaQ7®, the form used in the majority of MK-7 research. Both are soy free unlike many others on the market.

I didn't check out their prices.

https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-2891-11-93

Re: Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

willdob3 — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 20:28:27 GMT

Still researching...

”MK4 and MK7 are both forms of natural vitamin K2. MK4 stops and reverse bone loss, grows stronger bones and reduces fractures morethan 80%. MK7 has never been shown to reduce fractures. The use of MK4 is supported by more than 28 clinical trials with over 7000 volunteers.”

Re: Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

jpie — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 21:47:56 GMT

@Mindy D wrote:
@jpie wrote:
@willdob3 wrote:
@Nightowlz

I’ve recently heard opinions that K2 MK-4 is better than MK-7. I’d never even heard of MK-4. Have you? I guess this would be the time to research it.

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@willdob3

I hope you don't mind me jumping in here. I appreciate you posting this question as I was not familiar with the MK-4 form.

This is what I found from a company called Thorne.

Is your vitamin K2 the MK-4 form or the MK-7 form?
Thorne offers both forms of vitamin K2 in different products. The end result of vitamin K2 synthesis is two vitamin K2 subtypes known as menaquinones, either MK-4 or MK-7. Both subtypes are nearly completely absorbed in the body, with peak serum concentration for MK-4 occurring at two hours after ingestion, and for MK-7 at four hours after ingestion. However, whereas MK-4 disappears from the bloodstream in about 8 hours, MK-7 can remain in the bloodstream for as long as 72 hours. Thorne uses both subtypes of Vitamin K2. Thorne’s 3-K Complete contains significantly more MK-4 than most other multiple-K products on the market, in addition to MK-7 as MenaQ7®, the form used in the majority of MK-7 research. Both are soy free unlike many others on the market.

I didn't check out their prices.
https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-2891-11-93

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@Mindy D

Thank you for posting this!

Re: Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

jpie — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 21:59:02 GMT

I ordered the 720 size of K2-MK7 from Procaps. Andrew has never had this size, a two year supply. This is a great price (13.8 cents/capsule). Costco has recently added Weider K2-MK7, 60 capsules for $21.99 (18 cents/capsule).

After reading @VaBelle35 post about it not be offered in 2020, I'm glad I'm set for a couple of years! Thanks!

I also ordered the 1,000 count Ca-Mg. That's all for now from Procaps, but I'll be ordering again in January.

Re: Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

willdob3 — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 23:43:45 GMT

Still researching but definitely not ordering ProCaps K2 product again. We use a lot more MO4 than MK7 and there are a couple others ahead of MK7, too.

“Plasma half-life. They keep repeating the fact that MK-7 has a much longer plasma half-life than MK-4. This is true – but it’s a self-serving argument. MK-4 is rapidly soaked up by many organs and tissues, so it will be quickly removed from the blood.”

Re: Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

willdob3 — Mon, 09 Dec 2019 00:13:35 GMT

@willdob3 wrote:
@jpie @VaBelle35

I think I will try Thorne’s 3-K supplement. Thorne is a very good company and I already use some of their supplements.

Not getting the Thorne 3-K. We don’t need (or want) to supplement MK-1, which this has.

We need much more 4 than 7. Research saws Andrew’s previous comments that we don’t need more than 100mcg was correct. We don’t need the 200 he now offers.

There is a lot involved but I am now thinking I’ll try Innovix Labs Full Spectrum Vitamin K2. It contains both 4 & 7 and in the correct forms. Not expensive either.

Re: Andrew Lessman December TS Schedule

World Traveler — Mon, 09 Dec 2019 01:25:49 GMT

@VaBelle35 Oh, I didn't hear that. Thanks for posting. Hope he changes his mind. We'll see! Maybe it will be a monthly special though.