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Calcium supplements

goldensrbest — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 13:55:40 GMT

My aunt that is around 79, had been taking them,her legs were hurting her ,that is one thing,they did blood work up,her levels were high ,the doctor told her to stop taking calcium supplements ,and she says her legs feel much better, this i never heard of.

Re: Calcium supplements

Susan Louise — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:07:52 GMT

@goldensrbest wrote:
My aunt that is around 79, had been taking them,her legs were hurting her ,that is one thing,they did blood work up,her levels were high ,the doctor told her to stop taking calcium supplements ,and she says her legs feel much better, this i never heard of.

@goldensrbest I'm glad to hear your aunt stopped taking the calcium! I highly recommend watching a few videos with info about calcium supplements if you have time...

Dr Ken Berry - STOP taking that calcium supplement

Dr Ken Berry - Reverse and Prevent Osteoporosis

Re: Calcium supplements

Shelbelle — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:10:01 GMT

At 67 my bone density is pretty decent, been taking calcium for last 20 years or more. Was recommended for this age to take 1200 mg a day, 2 years ago i lowered mine to about 700 to 800. Take it with magnesium,. K1 and K2 and Vit D3, I like my results.

Re: Calcium supplements

lkat — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:21:22 GMT

After some tests my urologist ordered because I keep producing kidney stones, I recently found out that my calcium is high in my urine. He then sent me for blood work and the calcium and parathyroid hormone in my blood is normal. While I'm waiting for my next appointment to find out what I should do, I did a lot of research.

I did see many medical articles that said that having too much calcium in blood/urine can weaken your bones and cause them to be sore. Did her doctor send her to get a parathyroid hormone blood test (PTH)? This is a common cause of too much calcium and can be treated with minor surgery.

The YouTube channel that @Susan Louise mentions has a great video on common things that missed by doctors for women over 50. One of the things he mentions is hyperparathyroidism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bPhK-rvuUo

Re: Calcium supplements

Susan Louise — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:27:21 GMT

@Shelbelle wrote:
At 67 my bone density is pretty decent, been taking calcium for last 20 years or more. Was recommended for this age to take 1200 mg a day, 2 years ago i lowered mine to about 700 to 800. Take it with magnesium,. K1 and K2 and Vit D3, I like my results.

@Shelbelle I don't expect youy to change you routine, but please just watch this video on how calcium supplements work in the body and are not in your best interest. The other 3 supplements you mention are great

Dr Ken Berry - STOP taking that calcium supplement

Re: Calcium supplements

sidsmom — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:27:39 GMT

@goldensrbest wrote:
My aunt that is around 79, had been taking them,her legs were hurting her ,that is one thing,they did blood work up,her levels were high ,the doctor told her to stop taking calcium supplements ,and she says her legs feel much better, this i never heard of.

There really hasn't been a calcium supplement/heart disease

connection that I know of, but there's a greater than zero chance

if one is taking a supplement, their diet/nutrition isn't up to par.

And there's a good chance she was upping her dietary calcium,

as well as increasing calcium foods, which in turn would insert

more fat in her diet...which in turn would hurt her circulation.
Domino Effect.

People don't understand the power of diet.

Just the fact she stop taking an unnecessary supplement (oxymoron)

and felt better is indication what we ingest is powerful.

Re: Calcium supplements

Kachina624 — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:41:59 GMT

My doctor told me to quit taking calcium a couple of years ago.

Re: Calcium supplements

Shelbelle — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 14:51:20 GMT

@Susan Louise wrote:
@Shelbelle wrote:
At 67 my bone density is pretty decent, been taking calcium for last 20 years or more. Was recommended for this age to take 1200 mg a day, 2 years ago i lowered mine to about 700 to 800. Take it with magnesium,. K1 and K2 and Vit D3, I like my results.

@Shelbelle I don't expect youy to change you routine, but please just watch this video on how calcium supplements work in the body and are not in your best interest. The other 3 supplements you mention are great

Dr Ken Berry - STOP taking that calcium supplement

I am so pleased with my bone densrity scans, my doc told me to not even do them every 2 years anymore and wait longer. I think my routine has done me a lot of good, since I am not a milk drinker or much of a yogurt eater. I am very leary to eliminate calcium, just made the choice 2 years ago to lower it, a good compromise. Nexttime I seemy PCP for blood work, I will have her test for too much calcium, urine seems to always be fine. We cant listen to what just one doc has to say about it, so many docs with varying opinions on all facets of health. My supplement has calcium K, mag and D3, an all around good for me supp. I feel much better about taking a calcium supp than to have to take a RX pill or go for an infusion for bone density.

Re: Calcium supplements

Susan Louise — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 15:07:01 GMT

@Shelbelle wrote:
@Susan Louise wrote:
@Shelbelle wrote:
At 67 my bone density is pretty decent, been taking calcium for last 20 years or more. Was recommended for this age to take 1200 mg a day, 2 years ago i lowered mine to about 700 to 800. Take it with magnesium,. K1 and K2 and Vit D3, I like my results.

@Shelbelle I don't expect youy to change you routine, but please just watch this video on how calcium supplements work in the body and are not in your best interest. The other 3 supplements you mention are great

Dr Ken Berry - STOP taking that calcium supplement
I am so pleased with my bone densrity scans, my doc told me to not even do them every 2 years anymore and wait longer. I think my routine has done me a lot of good, since I am not a milk drinker or much of a yogurt eater. I am very leary to eliminate calcium, just made the choice 2 years ago to lower it, a good compromise. Nexttime I seemy PCP for blood work, I will have her test for too much calcium, urine seems to always be fine. We cant listen to what just one doc has to say about it, so many docs with varying opinions on all facets of health. My supplement has calcium K, mag and D3, an all around good for me supp. I feel much better about taking a calcium supp than to have to take a RX pill or go for an infusion for bone density.

@Shelbelle But the calcium supplements don't work in anyone's best interest. All I can do is suggest just watching the video and learn how/what happens when you take them. So many folks really don't know or understand how the body actually processes calcium supplements

Dr Ken Berry - STOP taking that calcium supplement

Re: Calcium supplements

Shelbelle — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 16:02:04 GMT

With my bone density remaining stable for the last 16 years, I have to feel that the calcium has been very beneficial to me and not done me any harm. It is just like statins, millions of people taking them, but I would never take them. What works for some, will never work for everyone.

I also take Tums when needed, plenty of calcium in there too.

Re: Calcium supplements

Susan Louise — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 16:24:04 GMT

@Shelbelle wrote:
With my bone density remaining stable for the last 16 years, I have to feel that the calcium has been very beneficial to me and not done me any harm. It is just like statins, millions of people taking them, but I would never take them. What works for some, will never work for everyone.
I also take Tums when needed, plenty of calcium in there too.

@Shelbelle I believe you are smart to be taking the magnesium, K2 and D3 which may be helping at off setting the fact you are taking all the calcium supplements. I also believe those 3 supplements are what has helped your bone density...not the calcium...which is explained in this video...

Dr Ken Berry - Reverse and Prevent Osteoporosis

I have no way of knowing yet if you watched the other 12 minute video. In the video it explains there is no scientific evidence taking the calcium supplements helps and it is beyond reason how anyone started to take them religiously to begin with...and for generations. Additionally, taking them does nothing but bring added serious health risks.

Re: Calcium supplements

SilleeMee — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 16:39:22 GMT

After years of having low bone density results I decided to seek other remedies for it besides taking calcium supps which obviously did not help me. I increased my physical activity with resistance training and I started taking silica (not to be confused with silicone) extract powder supp. My last density scan was unexpectedly normal and my doc wanted to know more about what I had done.

Silicon (same as silica) and Bone Health:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2658806/

I am a retired medical lab specialist and I use to test blood samples for calcium levels. So I am well aware of the health risks which may come with hypercalcemia.

Re: Calcium supplements

SeaMaiden — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 16:42:35 GMT

@Shelbelle wrote:
With my bone density remaining stable for the last 16 years, I have to feel that the calcium has been very beneficial to me and not done me any harm. It is just like statins, millions of people taking them, but I would never take them. What works for some, will never work for everyone.
I also take Tums when needed, plenty of calcium in there too.

@Shelbelle Tums are just really screwing up your breakdown of Calcium... and absorption of calcium... so doing exactly opposite of what you think it is doing for you.

The antacid Tums is not a good source of calcium, and it decreases the very stomach acid needed to aid calcium absorption and protein digestion.

Re: Calcium supplements

CrazyDaisy — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 16:44:41 GMT

I would never take medical advise or much of any kind of advise from a You Tube video. No wonder doctors cringe when the patient starts the sentence with "I saw on the Internet...."

Re: Calcium supplements

SilleeMee — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 18:30:04 GMT

Re: Calcium supplements

chrystaltree — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 16:57:32 GMT

That's not unusual. It happened to me. I take calcium supplements because back in the distant past, I had gastric bypass surgery. I have absorption problems. I was taking calcium supplements and my legs began to ache and the muscles in the back of my thighs would tighten up. It was the calcium, I was taking too much. I had been taking 3 Citrical tablets and my doc cut it back to 1 tablet. The leg pain and cramps went away.

Re: Calcium supplements

Susan Louise — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 17:29:02 GMT

@CrazyDaisy wrote:
I would never take medical advise or much of any kind of advise from a You Tube video. No wonder doctors cringe when the patient starts the sentence with "I saw on the Internet...."

@CrazyDaisy Not all Drs give good advice. Some are just pill pushers. Others are so 'old school' they refuse to incorporate new findings/updated facts on various health issues. They have been doing things a certain way for X # of years and refuse to change even when there is proof otherwise. They will wear horse blinders til they retire. Unfortunately, their stubborness puts patients at risk.

The same holds true for patients who can be just as stubborn. They believe what they believe no matter what. The old saying my grandparents told me holds true today..."You can lead a horse to water...".

DH and I have gotten lots of great advice through very respectful sources online.

I know from my own personal experience that going against my own Dr's advice has helped me get healthier. My Dr was leading me down the wrong path on a few issues.

Re: Calcium supplements

SeaMaiden — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 17:19:07 GMT

TUMS IS A GOOD SOURCE OF CALCIUM, RIGHT? DEFINITELY NOT! HERE’S WHY…

Whether you take Tums or other calcium supplements for acid reflux, which it’s effective at masking the symptoms of, while actually making the problem worse, or to get more calcium in your diet, you need to know this information.

What’s Wrong with Most Calcium Supplements

Tums and other commonly used calcium supplements contain calcium carbonate, the cheapest and single worst form of calcium. This is not to be confused with other types of calcium.

Not all calcium is created equal!

The biggest problem with calcium carbonate is that it’s not bioavailable, so much so that 25% of the American population can't even absorb it. Even among those who can, only somewhere between 5 and 30% of the actual supplement gets absorbed into the body.

Here’s what the makers of Tums don’t want you to know – calcium carbonate is predominantly made by finely grinding limestone rock.

So if you take Tums, you’re eating expensive rocks!

To make matters worse, they cover up the taste of rock with these terrible ingredients:

Adipic acid – A synthetic (read: not food) additive included for flavor and texture.
Com starch – All corn products are acidic and should be avoided.
FD&C blue #1 lake, FD&C red#40 lake, FD&C yellow #5 (tatffazine) lake, FD&C yellow #6 lake – All this means is artificial food coloring. These are toxic!
Flavors – What does this even mean? It’s not clear at all, and I wouldn’t trust it based on what they do list.
Mineral oil – This is a petroleum byproduct. It’s not safe ON your body, much less IN your body!
Sodium polyphosphate – This is a food emulsifier. It’s not as good as sodium bicarbonate, so don’t let the “sodium” fool you.
Sucrose – This is a simple sugar, it’s acidic, and it shouldn’t be anywhere near your health supplements!
Talc – Yes, the same powder used on men’s necks after a shave or haircut is added to some foods. Your body can’t absorb it at all – gross! Recent studies have associated talc to certain forms of cancer.

However, that’s not the worst part of your standard calcium supplement.

Is Tums Putting Your Heart at Risk?

You might have heard that there’s an increased risk of heart attack from taking the wrong calcium supplement. And it’s true, a 20-30% increased risk was confirmed by research at Dartmouth University.

The reason for this increased risk is simple. Your body needs a very precise balance of minerals. If calcium drops too low or goes too high, you have a heart attack. And if magnesium, which is necessary for calcium absorption, drops too low or goes too high, you have a heart attack.

Taking Tums or cheap calcium supplements is actually dangerous to your health.

That’s why it’s absolutely essential that calcium and magnesium should ALWAYS be in a 1:1 ratio so you can properly absorb the calcium. Tums’ ratio of calcium to magnesium is 42:1.

One more note on this… Don’t worry about your food-based calcium and magnesium levels. You can’t eat too much of these minerals. Your body knows what to do with any excess, but too little is more commonly a problem than too much.

Re: Calcium supplements

Icegoddess — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 17:05:37 GMT

@SilleeMee wrote:
After years of having low bone density results I decided to seek other remedies for it besides taking calcium supps which obviously did not help me. I increased my physical activity with resistance training and I started taking silica (not to be confused with silicone) extract powder supp. My last density scan was unexpectedly normal and my doc wanted to know more about what I had done.

Silicon (same as silica) and Bone Health:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2658806/

I am a retired medical lab specialist and I use to test blood samples for calcium levels. So I am well aware of the health risks which may come with hypercalcemia.

@SilleeMee , I recently started taking the silica (AFTER my good bone scan which I do credit calcium citrate + magnesium glycinate + K2 after previously being osteopenic). I was already taking massive quantities of D which seems to be required to keep my numbers normal. However, in looking at the information about silica I noticed almost every site mentioned that people with thyroid disease either probably shouldn't take it or should check with their doctor. I hate it when they do that and then don't follow up with why, so I went on a hunt and the only thing I could find was ONE study done with rats, and it didn't appear it affected their thyroid numbers significantly. So, without more data, and since I'm not a rat, I'm going to continue with the silica for now and see how my bloodwork comes out at my physical. I think I remember it is also supposed to possibly have a good effect on cholesterol.

Re: Calcium supplements

bobby5 — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 17:31:43 GMT

You want calcium citrate not calcium carbonate.