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Part 2: Why were we taught the wrong thing about oils?

LTT1 — Wed, 08 May 2019 13:22:28 GMT

This article explains “The Lipid Hypothesis” which started in the 50’s.

The Lipid Hypothesis appears to be wrong.

link to article:

https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/know-your-fats/the-skinny-on-fats/

Weston A Price Organization

Yes, this hypothesis was taught to an entire generation (mine).

The article seems to cite many examples of other societies and research studies that show how and why a blanket statement that oils are bad for you is wrong.

Re: Part 2: Why were we taught the wrong thing about oils?

dex — Wed, 08 May 2019 13:32:42 GMT

@LTT1 @I started to read that but it is long so I will spend tome on that later today.Thanks for posting.We eat a very traditional old style diet at our house.Meat(small amount) lots of vegetables including potatoes.We also eat bread.My eating plan is for low cholesterol but we do include olive oil,avocado oil and even some butter.Both My dh and I are thin and have never needed to diet.We rarely eat in restaurants and neither did people in past generations.I just wonder if that isn’t part of the reason so many people struggle with their weight.

Re: Part 2: Why were we taught the wrong thing about oils?

LTT1 — Wed, 08 May 2019 13:33:26 GMT

An excerpt:

“The relative good health of the Japanese, who have the longest life span of any nation in the world, is generally attributed to a lowfat diet. Although the Japanese eat few dairy fats, the notion that their diet is low in fat is a myth; rather, it contains moderate amounts of animal fats from eggs, pork, chicken, beef, seafood and organ meats. With their fondness for shellfish and fish broth, eaten on a daily basis, the Japanese probably consume more cholesterol than most Americans. What they do not consume is a lot of vegetable oil, white flour or processed food (although they do eat white rice.) The life span of the Japanese has increased since World War II with an increase in animal fat and protein in the diet.23 Those who point to Japanese statistics to promote the lowfat diet fail to mention that the Swiss live almost as long on one of the fattiest diets in the world. Tied for third in the longevity stakes are Austria and Greece—both with high-fat diets.2”

Re: Part 2: Why were we taught the wrong thing about oils?

Group 5 minus 1 — Wed, 08 May 2019 14:03:30 GMT

I do not know why,but in the Woody Allen film,"Sleeper" when he wakes up in the future they (people waking him up) quick,give him cigarettes and coffee and talk about how they wrong to think that was wrong.

Re: Part 2: Why were we taught the wrong thing about oils?

Laura14 — Wed, 08 May 2019 14:08:26 GMT

The Mediterranean Diet is at the top of the list every year as one of the best ways to eat and its main ingredients are olive oil and fish. I am a big fan of food existing to put olive oil in my mouth.

Eating the right kinds of fat has all kinds of recent neurological research bringing to light the importance of healthy fats for a healthy brain which makes common sense since your brain is mostly fat.

They are also rethinking salt. Japan is one of the highest consuming cultures of salt yet as you quoted one of the healthiest too. We're all still learning.

Re: Part 2: Why were we taught the wrong thing about oils?

2blonde — Wed, 08 May 2019 15:19:22 GMT

@Laura14 Hey girl, it's nice to hear from you. I don't know if it's due to my sporadic appearances here, or if you haven't been around much, but I've missed you!

Regarding the original post, I did read most of the lengthy article, and the gist is that we should avoid processed foods and concentrate on whole foods. I totally agree with that idea........just wish I was more of a saint!

Re: Part 2: Why were we taught the wrong thing about oils?

SilleeMee — Wed, 08 May 2019 17:21:12 GMT

@LTT1 wrote:
An excerpt:

“The relative good health of the Japanese, who have the longest life span of any nation in the world, is generally attributed to a lowfat diet. Although the Japanese eat few dairy fats, the notion that their diet is low in fat is a myth; rather, it contains moderate amounts of animal fats from eggs, pork, chicken, beef, seafood and organ meats. With their fondness for shellfish and fish broth, eaten on a daily basis, the Japanese probably consume more cholesterol than most Americans. What they do not consume is a lot of vegetable oil, white flour or processed food (although they do eat white rice.) The life span of the Japanese has increased since World War II with an increase in animal fat and protein in the diet.23 Those who point to Japanese statistics to promote the lowfat diet fail to mention that the Swiss live almost as long on one of the fattiest diets in the world. Tied for third in the longevity stakes are Austria and Greece—both with high-fat diets.2”

My mother is Japanese and I am part. I was raised eating Japanese food and food which was cooked by traditional methods used in Japan. The Japanese eat a lot of stuff from the ocean. Cooking with oils is usually done with peanut oil and vegetables are never over-cooked, but are always somewhat partially cooked. Dairy was never a part of my diet and only until I became an adult did I start consuming it. The Japanese consume a lot of salt and MSG. They also consume a lot of canned goods as well as pickled and fermented foods. The rice they eat is white and it is always washed extremely well to remove a lot of the starch. Rice is eaten in moderation. Soy products are a large part of their diet as is fish, pork and chicken. Beef is usually limited and is considered whenever there is a desire for it on special occasions.

The Japanese do not eat corn or anything made from it like corn oil or corn meal. Corn over there is considered to be food for their pigs.

Re: Part 2: Why were we taught the wrong thing about oils?

Laura14 — Wed, 08 May 2019 17:18:01 GMT

@2blonde I am not here much anymore (moved on to other places and things in my life) but it's always nice to talk to you.

Re: Part 2: Why were we taught the wrong thing about oils?

sidsmom — Wed, 08 May 2019 19:07:16 GMT

The Weston Price Foundation is notorious for spreading

mis-information.

I’m sure Dr. Price is spinning in his grave knowing the low-carb

community is using his name to spread this mis-information.

When you have articles titled like,

”Soy Infant Formula: Birth Control Pills for Babies”,

that really says it all. Tap out.

As for oil being bad for you, yeah...it’s bad.

Really bad.

Oils are 9 calories per gram...

compared to carbohydrates & protein w/ 4 calories per gram.

All the inflammation to the endothelial system, like sugar,

enough to avoid but the simple ‘food math’ of calorie density alone

is smart enough to avoid....you can eat more than TWICE as much

without the oil/fat...and who wouldn’t want that? 🌼💛

Re: Part 2: Why were we taught the wrong thing about oils?

tsavorite — Wed, 08 May 2019 19:33:18 GMT

@LTT1 wrote:
This article explains “The Lipid Hypothesis” which started in the 50’s.

The Lipid Hypothesis appears to be wrong.

link to article:
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/know-your-fats/the-skinny-on-fats/

Weston A Price Organization
Yes, this hypothesis was taught to an entire generation (mine).

The article seems to cite many examples of other societies and research studies that show how and why a blanket statement that oils are bad for you is wrong.

There are many really good youtube videos on this also.

Cholesterol code website by Dave Feldman is very eye opening! He has conducted so many experiments on himself and his cholesterol levels and many other biomarkers of health. Highly recommend his talks on youtube.

Ivor Cummins and Dr. Gerber is another one....he explains how it truly works and that fats are not the enemy. Vegatable oils/corn oils/soybean oil are the oils to avoid. Olive oil and yes saturated fat from red meat is not evil. It's beneficial...along with fats from fish like salmon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWJQKaNpvvI

Even Dr. Walter Willet from Havard National Institute of Health.... admits carbs are the problem NOT fats!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sKu_mukdiA

Cato Institute Nina Teicholz (Big Fat Surprise)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzQAHITIUhg

Re: Part 2: Why were we taught the wrong thing about oils?

LTT1 — Wed, 08 May 2019 20:42:37 GMT

@2blonde @SilleeMee @Laura14 @sidsmom @2blonde

Hi all of you and thank you so much for your comments!

I am compiling information because at some point last month I was starting to re-think...did I dream that as a child, we were taught that fats were FORBIDDEN! We were taught that our blood cholesterol levels would be raised if we ate too much fat. (Yes, the article explains how this hypothesis got started.)

I have not read the entire article yet either!

I had to run out for a hair appt ...we must keep our hair appts! lol

So, while at the appt, I asked my stylist about...coconut oil. She referred me to her friend “Donna” who was waiting for a client...”Donna knows everything.” Donna told me that coconut oil does not cause heart attacks and does not make a person fat. (?)

The FaceBook groups I belong to advise that collagen (beef) and coconut oil (both topically and internally) will keep you well (if you have forms of Lichen Planus. I know the miracle of this product on my skin... once looking like fish scales (LP) and tending to get rashy with even a look, my skin that has been softened into health from coconut oil truly will not experience LP patches.

Facial skin, on my face, has momentarily lost all form and function mostly everywhere, so comedogenic factors are not a problem. I apply it.

The verdict about fats causing heart disease apparently has not been answered definitively yet...at least I haven’t found the definitive answer. I remember as a younger person, looking up the implications of palm kernel oil...it is still a no-no.

I read that coconut oil/monolaurin/lauricidin are a possible solution to MRSA due to the antibiotic effect. (👀👀)

Re: Part 2: Why were we taught the wrong thing about oils?

LTT1 — Wed, 08 May 2019 20:46:58 GMT

@dex

Thank you for considering information about this!

I do think you are exactly right!

Eating out, especially fast food, contributes to peoples’ health status.

Congratulations for remaining healthily thin, both of you, and making great balanced choices for eating habits!

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Laura14 — Wed, 08 May 2019 20:47:49 GMT

@LTT1 Be careful with coconut oil. There are some studies coming out that it is not the wonder oil that it's been touted to be and it's fairly high in saturated fats not the monounsaturated fats that olive oil is known for.

I don't think anything has been decided one way or the other but proceed with caution on that one. The verdict is still out.

Re: Part 2: Why were we taught the wrong thing about oils?

LTT1 — Wed, 08 May 2019 20:58:27 GMT

@Group 5 minus 1

That’s funny! 😂

@Laura14

How interesting! “Food exists to put olive oil in your mouth!” 😂

Interesting, also, about the re-thinking of salt!

I wonder (after reading along the way) if the answer is in food ratios?

Although I don’t want to do math every time I eat!

@2blonde

I agree! You can’t go wrong eating mostly whole foods.

@SilleeMee

Thank you for your interesting and personal experience eating Japanese style.

I remember my DSIL trying to tell me about a book revealing GMO corn oil. I wish I had listened because everything she was trying to tell me was true.

@tsavorite

I can’t wait to watch the YouTube videos...thank you for the links!

Re: Part 2: Why were we taught the wrong thing about oils?

LTT1 — Thu, 09 May 2019 13:30:05 GMT

So, I want people to understand my story because it might be easy to think I am just doing the AIP diet to be “trendy.”

An A-ha 💡 moment happened back in August when a CT Scan revealed that i have a fatty liver (not due to alcohol consumption).

My GI specialist ran the scan at the approximately same time as a routine colonoscopy because I had abdominal pain.

He recommended eating more fiber!

All I had eaten for YEARS was canned tuna/green apple for lunch.(IBS) So I began incorporating blueberries/celery/broccoli/carrots into my diet and the pain is now gone.

In August, I visited the dermatologist determined to get rid of my “acne.” And got my diagnosis of LPP.

I wonder if at my age, I might have avoided autoimmune by eating the right things?

Re: Part 2: Why were we taught the wrong thing about oils?

QueenDanceALot — Wed, 08 May 2019 21:23:04 GMT

Olive oil is consumed by the longest lived people in the world, those in the "Blue Zones".

These people also have other lifestyle factors that are believed to contribute to their long and healthy lives, but diet is certainly a factor.

I doubt that trans fats will ever be deemed healthy in any way, shape or configuration. Everyone in nutrition would tell you to avoid it like the plague.

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Laura14 — Wed, 08 May 2019 21:53:35 GMT

@LTT1 I am a firm believer in fiber for cholesterol control. It really helps me with my genetic predisposition to it.

I too have discovered I've done things most of my life that were naturally good for what I should do for me. Freaky isn't it? You knew you even before anyone studied you.

Re: Part 2: Why were we taught the wrong thing about oils?

LTT1 — Thu, 09 May 2019 21:29:31 GMT

@tsavorite

Watched a Dr. Gerber video this morning! Thanks again!

@Laura14 also

At my last physical, my PCP looked at my LDL/HDL values and told me my cholesterol was fine!

Now I need to do homework....I cannot imagine that it is fine now after basically refusing to take that darn statin medicine!