topic Re: conflicting messages in Wellness

conflicting messages

bargainsgirl — Fri, 08 Mar 2019 21:24:36 GMT

Are there any breast cancer survivors who still indulge in a cocktail or glass of wine for social occaisions? ( I'm talking 1-3 drinks per week at most)

I have read some articles that say to abstain and others say continue to have a drink in strict moderation.

My medical team said on occaision is not a problem and one should be more concerned with eating a healthy diet and getting excercise (I do both) and of coarse to not smoke! Obesity is a greater risk according to them.

Thoughts to share?

Re: conflicting messages

BirkiLady — Fri, 08 Mar 2019 22:18:36 GMT

I don't drink anywhere near 1-3 drinks per week, but I do have a margarita when family or friends are out for Mexican food. I also enjoy a Maker's Mark and sour when out to dinner. Been doing this for almost 40 years with no problem. Often, it's a glass of water with lemon.

Re: conflicting messages

sidsmom — Fri, 08 Mar 2019 22:26:57 GMT

@bargainsgirl

I remember this topic being discussed awhile back.

Coincidentally, you posted the same question at that time.

https://community.qvc.com/t5/Wellness/drinks-and-cancer/m-p/2559846/highlight/true#M70990

Alcohol is very unnecessary for everyone.

There’s a doctor who says,

’We sterilize our instruments with alcohol. What makes it OK to drink?”

I would think anyone who has not-optimum health would

strive to be the best they can be! (read: no alcohol)

Re: conflicting messages

barb40 — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 03:34:58 GMT

My mom is a breast cancer survivor, and she enjoys drinking wine. She also eats healthy and excercises. Does not smoke. She is doing very well in her 70's.

Re: conflicting messages

NYCLatinaMe — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 04:33:58 GMT

@sidsmom wrote:

...
I would think anyone who has not-optimum health would
strive to be the best they can be! (read: no alcohol)

It is enjoyable to have a drink or 2 and no adverse effects. i would guess safer than some mountain climbing, or crossing some streets, for example.

imo it is ok to do enjoyable things. and i am not opining on the cancer q, i know nothing about that.

Re: conflicting messages

NYC Susan — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 04:45:41 GMT

@bargainsgirl wrote:
Are there any breast cancer survivors who still indulge in a cocktail or glass of wine for social occaisions? ( I'm talking 1-3 drinks per week at most)
I have read some articles that say to abstain and others say continue to have a drink in strict moderation.
My medical team said on occaision is not a problem and one should be more concerned with eating a healthy diet and getting excercise (I do both) and of coarse to not smoke! Obesity is a greater risk according to them.
Thoughts to share?

I think you should listen to the advice of your medical team. Not everything in articles is accurate, and even when it is, the advice doesn't apply to everyone.

Personally, I would feel far more secure following the advice of my medical team.

Re: conflicting messages

sunshine45 — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 04:49:04 GMT

one of my best friends is a breast cancer survivor.

i know that she and her husband drink a bottle of red wine every evening with their dinner.

Re: conflicting messages

NYC Susan — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 05:21:18 GMT

@sidsmom wrote:
@bargainsgirl
I remember this topic being discussed awhile back.
Coincidentally, you posted the same question at that time.
https://community.qvc.com/t5/Wellness/drinks-and-cancer/m-p/2559846/highlight/true#M70990

Alcohol is very unnecessary for everyone.
There’s a doctor who says,
’We sterilize our instruments with alcohol. What makes it OK to drink?”
I would think anyone who has not-optimum health would
strive to be the best they can be! (read: no alcohol)

I disagree that alcohol is unnecessary for everyone. It actually can have beneficial effects.

I'm also not sure what kind of doctor would say that about instruments. For one thing, there are different types of alcohol. The comment makes no sense.

Re: conflicting messages

bargainsgirl — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 13:15:30 GMT

THank you and I agree. I am not looking for opinions on whether or not ANYONE should drink adult beverages or not. I enjoy an occaisional wine or Manhatten! Just looking for what other cancer patients do.

Re: conflicting messages

sidsmom — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 15:19:52 GMT

@NYC Susan wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:
@bargainsgirl
I remember this topic being discussed awhile back.
Coincidentally, you posted the same question at that time.
https://community.qvc.com/t5/Wellness/drinks-and-cancer/m-p/2559846/highlight/true#M70990

Alcohol is very unnecessary for everyone.
There’s a doctor who says,
’We sterilize our instruments with alcohol. What makes it OK to drink?”
I would think anyone who has not-optimum health would
strive to be the best they can be! (read: no alcohol)

I disagree that alcohol is unnecessary for everyone. It actually can have beneficial effects.

I'm also not sure what kind of doctor would say that about instruments. For one thing, there are different types of alcohol. The comment makes no sense.

I personally think drinking a liquid, which has the actual alcohol or

vapors to ignite when flame is near, makes no sense. That would be

inflammation 101. Pair that with a condition which hates inflammation,

like cancer, and it really doesn’t make sense. Why would anyone

continue to ‘walk right up to the edge of a cliff’ by consuming

something which is detrimental to one’s health, in the first place,

let alone if their body’s been fighting cancer cells.

I have a healthy respect for cancer & the evil it can produce.

It’s disheartening to see smart people throw all common sense

out the window for a quick thrill which has long term, deadly effects.

If one is ill, throwing back this toxin (even occasionally) is not going to

help the situation. Everyone knows this.

Re: conflicting messages

NYCLatinaMe — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 17:00:41 GMT

@sidsmom you need better sources of information

Re: conflicting messages

sidsmom — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 20:57:47 GMT

@NYCLatinaMe wrote:
@sidsmom you need better sources of information

Giggle. Giggle h.a.r.d.

If anyone drank alcohol in their early adulthood, they more than likely

experienced a ‘room spin’ and proceeded to spend time in the

bathroom....sleeping it off & feeling like cr.ap the next day.

Don’t need a ‘study’ to determine alcohol is bad.

So...alcohol is healthy?

Re: conflicting messages

SeaMaiden — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 20:27:09 GMT

@bargainsgirl wrote:
Are there any breast cancer survivors who still indulge in a cocktail or glass of wine for social occaisions? ( I'm talking 1-3 drinks per week at most)
I have read some articles that say to abstain and others say continue to have a drink in strict moderation.
My medical team said on occaision is not a problem and one should be more concerned with eating a healthy diet and getting excercise (I do both) and of coarse to not smoke! Obesity is a greater risk according to them.
Thoughts to share?

@bargainsgirl You can be "social" without Alcohol. Sparkling water with lemon is wonderful. Why not go that route?

Re: conflicting messages

NYCLatinaMe — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 21:23:11 GMT

@sidsmom wrote:
@NYCLatinaMe wrote:
@sidsmom you need better sources of information
Giggle. Giggle h.a.r.d.
If anyone drank alcohol in their early adulthood, they more than likely
experienced a ‘room spin’ and proceeded to spend time in the
bathroom....sleeping it off & feeling like cr.ap the next day.
Don’t need a ‘study’ to determine alcohol is bad.
So...alcohol is healthy?

hyponatremia can be life-threatening, but drinking water is not unhealthy, it is essential!

you can take your eye out with a fork, but that doesn't make forks unhealthy

Re: conflicting messages

sidsmom — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 21:51:14 GMT

But drinking 16 oz of water does not create inflammation.

Drinking 16 oz of alcohol causes inflammation.

If you are already battling cancer & illness, inflammation is not

recommended, hence alcohol is not recommended.

No doctor, no reputable doctor, would encourage alcohol

consumption while in this condition. And trying & trying to find

a ‘study’ or positive recommendations to justify consumption

is more concerning. But if one wants to take that chance &

‘anger’ the cancer cells (my sister used to jokingly say that before

she passed), it’s up to each patient how close they want to get

to the edge of the cliff of Life.

Re: conflicting messages

HerRoyaLioness — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 22:30:51 GMT

I am a breast cancer survivor and strict moderation is what I observe. 1 - 3 drinks every week on a regular basis is way too much in my opinion, which I think I expressed last time this question was asked. Once every few months I may have a drink while out for dinner and that’s about it.

Re: conflicting messages

Cakers3 — Sun, 10 Mar 2019 02:15:59 GMT

@sidsmom wrote:
@bargainsgirl
I remember this topic being discussed awhile back.
Coincidentally, you posted the same question at that time.
https://community.qvc.com/t5/Wellness/drinks-and-cancer/m-p/2559846/highlight/true#M70990

Alcohol is very unnecessary for everyone.
There’s a doctor who says,
’We sterilize our instruments with alcohol. What makes it OK to drink?”
I would think anyone who has not-optimum health would
strive to be the best they can be! (read: no alcohol)

@sidsmom Which doctor? The doctor from Little House on the Prairie? LOL

Instruments are not sterilized with alcohol; they are put in an autoclave.

Re: conflicting messages

sidsmom — Sun, 10 Mar 2019 02:55:23 GMT

@Cakers3 wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:
@bargainsgirl
I remember this topic being discussed awhile back.
Coincidentally, you posted the same question at that time.
https://community.qvc.com/t5/Wellness/drinks-and-cancer/m-p/2559846/highlight/true#M70990

Alcohol is very unnecessary for everyone.
There’s a doctor who says,
’We sterilize our instruments with alcohol. What makes it OK to drink?”
I would think anyone who has not-optimum health would
strive to be the best they can be! (read: no alcohol)
@sidsmom Which doctor? The doctor from Little House on the Prairie?

@Cakers3

Yeah. Probably.

Re: conflicting messages

QueenDanceALot — Sun, 10 Mar 2019 16:02:18 GMT

@Cakers3 wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:
@bargainsgirl
I remember this topic being discussed awhile back.
Coincidentally, you posted the same question at that time.
https://community.qvc.com/t5/Wellness/drinks-and-cancer/m-p/2559846/highlight/true#M70990

Alcohol is very unnecessary for everyone.
There’s a doctor who says,
’We sterilize our instruments with alcohol. What makes it OK to drink?”
I would think anyone who has not-optimum health would
strive to be the best they can be! (read: no alcohol)
@sidsmom Which doctor? The doctor from Little House on the Prairie? LOL

Instruments are not sterilized with alcohol; they are put in an autoclave.

@Cakers3 @sidsmom

Even if it were true that medical instruments were sterilied with alcohol, what would that have to do with alcohol promoting inflammation?

While I am not a proponent of drinking alcohol, I am not following this line of argument against it.

Re: conflicting messages

Cakers3 — Sun, 10 Mar 2019 16:18:57 GMT

@QueenDanceALot wrote:
@Cakers3 wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:
@bargainsgirl
I remember this topic being discussed awhile back.
Coincidentally, you posted the same question at that time.
https://community.qvc.com/t5/Wellness/drinks-and-cancer/m-p/2559846/highlight/true#M70990

Alcohol is very unnecessary for everyone.
There’s a doctor who says,
’We sterilize our instruments with alcohol. What makes it OK to drink?”
I would think anyone who has not-optimum health would
strive to be the best they can be! (read: no alcohol)
@sidsmom Which doctor? The doctor from Little House on the Prairie? LOL

Instruments are not sterilized with alcohol; they are put in an autoclave.
@Cakers3 @sidsmom

Even if it were true that medical instruments were sterilied with alcohol, what would that have to do with alcohol promoting inflammation?

While I am not a proponent of drinking alcohol, I am not following this line of argument against it.

@QueenDanceALot There is no line of reasoning. It's another round of "do as I say or you will die from horrible illnesses that you could have prevented if you had only listened to me me me."

Considering almost all hard liquor is ...........vegan.

While beer and wine CAN be processed with animal by-products, there are brands of VEGAN wine and beer.

We all know that consuming too much alcohol is unhealthy. We don't need a lecture.

However, studies published in such journals as Lancet and studies conducted by reputable institutions such as Harvard point out the pros of limited alcohol use and the cons of over using alcohol. In other words, moderation.

I would focus on those instead of the usual hawkers promoting $4000+ webinars along with books, etc. $$$$$$$$