topic Re: Diet Of Hope? in Wellness

Diet Of Hope?

Jackhound Mom — Sun, 23 Sep 2018 17:55:45 GMT

Is this national or just a Tucson thing for Diabetics? They are on line at dietofhope.org and their ad claims to reverse diabetics (type 2) back to normal. If this is so why don't we all know about this? I couldn't get anything to open up on their site the other day, anyone else? Thank you.

Re: Diet Of Hope?

sidsmom — Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:06:32 GMT

It appears to be another Low-Carbohydrate diet.

Yes, reduction of carbohydrates to a dangerous level

will reduce insulin levels & the biomarkers will appear ‘normal’,

but this diet is not for long-term sustainability. A fatty liver will still exist.

In fact, any low-carb diet will keep the patient insulin resistant.

The only way to become the opposite, insulin sensitive,

is the reduction of dietary fats.

Diabetes occurs when dietary fat is within the muscle tissue & liver

(tissue not designed to store fat)...blocking the ‘locks’ to open

for insulin to come in & do its job.

Reduce the diet to 20-30 grams a fat per day...preferrably

via a whole-food, plant-based diet.

Re: Diet Of Hope?

Flika13 — Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:24:12 GMT

Dr Jason Fung has had good success with reversing T2 diabetes and helping T1’s have better control. My T2 neighbor was able to stop taking insulin after 2 weeks.

He has many videos on YouTube. Check out videos by Sarah Hallberg too.

Re: Diet Of Hope?

sidsmom — Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:55:43 GMT

Unfortunately Dr. Jason Fung is also a Low-Carbohydrate advocate.

Upon further investigation, Sarah Hallberg is also low-carb, as well.

Not a protocol for long-term success.

Re: Diet Of Hope?

aubnwa01 — Sun, 23 Sep 2018 22:07:21 GMT

My internist has given me a paper with the info for Diet Of Hope a couple of times over the past 3-4 years, but although it may be a great program, it just seemed kind of hinky to me! If you go to their website, they give almost no info about anything & you have to attend a seminar to find out anything specific. I've seen a couple of TV commercials for Dr. Gann & his nutritionist wife on the local Tucson stations, but they just don't appeal to me.

Re: Diet Of Hope?

mom2four0418 — Mon, 24 Sep 2018 04:04:00 GMT

@Flika13 wrote:
Dr Jason Fung has had good success with reversing T2 diabetes and helping T1’s have better control. My T2 neighbor was able to stop taking insulin after 2 weeks.
He has many videos on YouTube. Check out videos by Sarah Hallberg too.

Thank you for the info about Jason Fung. I purchased his ebook for $2.49 and it looks interesting. I like to look at all sides of things.

Re: Diet Of Hope?

aubnwa01 — Mon, 24 Sep 2018 05:10:11 GMT

@Jackhound Mom

Out of curiosity, I checked their ratings on Healthgrades & they don't have good ratings. Also, they have a couple of complaints lodged with the BBB re: their practices & billing.

Folks were billed for a dr. visit when they never saw a dr. & they ran tests & then, didn't gave the patient the results of the tests, just pushed their diet.

If you decide to proceed with them, be careful. Like I said in my prior post, something about them just made me really uncomfortable & I never even got to the point of contacting them.

Re: Diet Of Hope?

Flika13 — Mon, 24 Sep 2018 15:51:21 GMT

Hopefully most people are not so narrowminded as to believe that only one way of eating is good for everyone. If a plant-based diet works for you, that’s great. If it doesn’t then you’ll have to find something else.

If you are happy with your weight and health you don’t need to read any further.

If you are tired of being tired, if you are always hungry especially after eating carbs, can’t lose weight, maybe you need to change what and how you eat.

Insulin resistance, IR, is the cause of type two diabetes and non-alcoholic fatty liver, NAFL. Dietary fat does not cause fatty liver disease. A diet that allows your body to store fat is the cause.

Insulin resistance can be present 10 to 15 years before a diagnosis of diabetes.

If a diabetic eats carbohydrates, either refined or simple, their blood glucose will be elevated. All carbohydrates turn into glucose. It doesn’t matter if it’s fruit, whole grain bread or a candy bar. If a diabetic eats fat and moderate protein it will have little impact on their blood glucose level. Isn’t it better to control your IR and blood glucose level by diet instead of drugs?

The American and Canadian diabetics association still recommend eating carbohydrates at every meal plus snacks. Why would you eat something that is only going to make your diabetes worse?

Insulin is called the fat storage hormone. When you eat any carbohydrates or a large amount of protein your body produces insulin. A constant supply of insulin in your bloodstream will most likely eventually cause insulin resistance. Oh, and weight gain.

There are genetic and lifestyle risk factors for IR. That is why some skinny people will have diabetes and some morbidly obese people don’t.

If your current way of eating is not working for you do some research. Look up intermittent fasting. It’s a great way to control your weight, IR and diabetes. Low-carb and ketogenic ways of eating are sustainable long-term. Look at discussions and Facebook groups about low-carb eating and fasting to read what real people are experiencing.

Know the difference ketogenic and ketoacidosis.

“Ketoacidosis refers to diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA) and is a complication of type 1 diabetes. It’s a life-threatening condition resulting from dangerously high levels of blood sugar and ketones. It’s critical that you get prompt treatment.”

Ketosis is the presence of ketones and is not harmful.

Mom2four0418, I hope you enjoy his book. Take a look at some of his videos or his website idmprogram.com.

Dr Jason Fung is a Canadian nephrologist.

Re: Diet Of Hope?

Laura14 — Mon, 24 Sep 2018 15:25:03 GMT

@Flika13 I agree with this wholeheartedly!

And I'll add the benefits of low carb are even being attributed to brain health and dementia reversal which has been called by some diabetes of the brain.

Do what's right for you but most doctors today who have kept up with the latest research will be on the low carb wagon for diabetes patients now. It's all about the sugar aka carb levels in all forms that get into the blood and cause the issues most diabetics experience.

Re: Diet Of Hope?

Trinity11 — Mon, 24 Sep 2018 16:06:45 GMT

@Jackhound Mom wrote:
Is this national or just a Tucson thing for Diabetics? They are on line at dietofhope.org and their ad claims to reverse diabetics (type 2) back to normal. If this is so why don't we all know about this? I couldn't get anything to open up on their site the other day, anyone else? Thank you.

@Jackhound Mom, how are you feeling? Last time we posted together you mentioned you were seeing a physician about Lantus?

The diet you are posting about is a basic low carbohydrate diet. Nothing magical ...just a reminder that carbohydrate intake is the catalyst for higher blood sugars. Check your glucose monitor and a meal of potatoes and spinach (no fat added) will need a lot more insulin than a meal of a large salad with dressing and a chicken breast.

Bernstein, Fung and any of the low carb advocates will help put Type 2 diabetic's into temporary remission if they still produce some insulin.

Have you had a c-peptide test to determine if you are still producing insulin? That will determine whether with a low carb diet you can successfully go into a temporary remission. I say temporary because diabetes is a progressive disease and there is no cure.

Re: Diet Of Hope?

sidsmom — Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:06:13 GMT

@Jackhound Mom

Remember...

Type 2 Diabetes is not a progressive condition & it can be cured.

Unfortunately, the longer T2 diabetics continue with a

low carb/high fat diet, causing insulin resistance, the greater

chance the beta cells, once in working order, are permanently

died off. Changing the diet is imperative..sooner than later.

Re: Diet Of Hope?

Trinity11 — Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:08:32 GMT

@sidsmom wrote:
@Jackhound Mom
Remember...
Type 2 Diabetes is not a progressive condition & it can be cured.

If a patient has little to no insulin production diagnosed with a c-peptide test, they cannot be cured. Basic knowlege any first year medical student would tell you. No diet can cure diabetes.

Re: Diet Of Hope?

Flika13 — Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:18:58 GMT

@sidsmom Please explain how a low-carb high-fat diet causes insulin resistance.

Re: Diet Of Hope?

sidsmom — Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:43:07 GMT

@Flika13

If you are insulin resistant, there are fat stores within the muscle.

Intramyocellular Lipids.

Fat is not only in the muscle, but the liver...

both not designed to hold fat stores.

Fat blocks the Insulin Receptors.

You eat something, turns to glucose, insulin begins to pump

and the insulin tries to unlock the receptor to allow glucose

inside the cell. And it can’t open. Now what happens?

Your blood sugars are high, insulin is high...not ideal.

“But I’ll just eat less carbohydrates.”

Our bodies use carbohydrates for fuel. Also high fat begins the slippery slope of a multitude of cardiovascular issues, as well as cognitive issues.

“But I’m taking less insulin.”

Yes, but you are still insulin resistant. Still have a fatty liver.

Still have inflammation and risk for kidney disease.

Reduce the dietary fat & the insulin receptors begin to work properly.

The result will be eating a higher intake of carbohydrates w/ less insulin.

Insulin Sensitive.

This is Human 101. It’s not an opinion based post.

The information is available to anyone.

Re: Diet Of Hope?

Flika13 — Mon, 24 Sep 2018 18:08:26 GMT

Dietary fat does not turn into glucose!

Protein in moderate amounts does not turn into glucose!

All carbohydrates turn into glucose!

The fat stores you are referring to are not caused by dietary fat. They are caused by fat that is stored because there is too much insulin in the blood.

Re: Diet Of Hope?

Laura14 — Mon, 24 Sep 2018 18:08:32 GMT

This is a completely new one on me.

Receptors are actually activated by proteins and enzymes in your body. Either you have the correct key to unlock the receptor (protein or enzyme) or you don't. Fat is neither.

What blocks a receptor are certain types of food like grapefruit whose acids are similar to the ones which bind with the same receptors cardiovascular drugs use which is why they are a no no.

And some of the antagonist drugs we purposely take like the proton pump inhibitors which are specifically designed to match and block those specific receptors to stop the production of stomach acid to stop your heartburn. That's literally how they work.

Diabetes is about the pancreas and the insulin it produces or doesn't produce in response to the blood sugar level in the body. Eat more sugar aka carbs, you're going to have a problem if the pancreas can't keep up. Lower your carb intake and studies are showing you'll probably do your body a favor.

Re: Diet Of Hope?

Trinity11 — Mon, 24 Sep 2018 18:16:02 GMT

@Laura14 wrote:
This is a completely new one on me.

Receptors are actually activated by proteins and enzymes in your body. Either you have the correct key to unlock the receptor (protein or enzyme) or you don't. Fat is neither.

What blocks a receptor are certain types of food like grapefruit whose acids are similar to the ones which bind with the same receptors cardiovascular drugs use which is why they are a no no.

And some of the antagonist drugs we purposely take like the proton pump inhibitors which are specifically designed to match and block those specific receptors to stop the production of stomach acid to stop your heartburn. That's literally how they work.

Diabetes is about the pancreas and the insulin it produces or doesn't produce in response to the blood sugar level in the body. Eat more sugar aka carbs, you're going to have a problem if the pancreas can't keep up. Lower your carb intake and studies are showing you'll probably do your body a favor.

@Laura14... as a Type 1 diabetic for nearly 50 years I have probably heard it all. The pseudo-science and the outright untruths. It was refreshing to read your posts here today. Everything you have responded with is based on SCIENCE. Thank you!

Re: Diet Of Hope?

Laura14 — Mon, 24 Sep 2018 18:24:37 GMT

@Trinity11 You're welcome. And as I said in another post, I am just giving the benefit of my recent medical training. Others know a lot more than I do but when I know it's wrong or possibly outdated, I'm going to say something because misinformation is dangerous.

I know we are all smart enough not to get our medical info off of a home shopping forum but if we're going to talk about it, let's talk facts or scientifically backed theories.

And I fully understand that we don't know what we don't know yet. But we have some good ideas so let's all keep learning and be open minded enough to know what's being shown as probably true today may just change in the future as we learn more. Never close your mind to evolving science. It's okay to change your mind.

Re: Diet Of Hope?

sidsmom — Mon, 24 Sep 2018 18:30:37 GMT

@Flika13 wrote:
Dietary fat does not turn into glucose!

Protein in moderate amounts does not turn into glucose!

All carbohydrates turn into glucose!

The fat stores you are referring to are not caused by dietary fat. They are caused by fat that is stored because there is too much insulin in the blood.

@Flika13

Re-read my post

I didn’t say dietary far turns into glucose.

Dietary fats block the insulin receptors.

Re: Diet Of Hope?

Trinity11 — Mon, 24 Sep 2018 18:31:31 GMT

@Laura14 wrote:
@Trinity11 You're welcome. And as I said in another post, I am just giving the benefit of my recent medical training. Others know a lot more than I do but when I know it's wrong or possibly outdated, I'm going to say something because misinformation is dangerous.

I know we are all smart enough not to get our medical info off of a home shopping forum but if we're going to talk about it, let's talk facts or scientifically backed theories.

And I fully understand that we don't know what we don't know yet. But we have some good ideas so let's all keep learning and be open minded enough to know what's being shown as probably true today may just change in the future as we learn more. Never close your mind to evolving science. It's okay to change your mind.

@Laura14When I used to host Diabetic Support Groups, I always told patients to go by their glucose meter after a meal. If a patient runs higher with a meal of carbohydrates and no fat...the proof is right there in their glucose 2 hour postpranial. Eat a diet consisting of moderate amounts of fat and moderate amounts of protein, cut way back on the carbohydrates and that is a recipe for better control clarified by their glucose readings on their meters. No one ever debated it and we always had a board certified endocrinologist at the meetings. Everyone of us was in agreement..both Type 1 and Type 2 diabetics.