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After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

Robinre — Wed, 22 Jan 2014 18:39:29 GMT

Message for Pickles and Jewel who posted about shingles after Botox injections. Yes, I had shingles vaccine, then developed shingles every time I had botox injections (3 times) each time at the site of the injection. Absolute correlation. I have had botox injections for over 15 years and never had shingles. In fact, I never had shingles until after the vaccine. Anyone on to this. I have been in contact with well-known dermatologist in New York and he advises his patients to start on medication for shingles whenever they have Botox.

Re: After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

Desertdi — Wed, 22 Jan 2014 19:14:41 GMT

I've had Botox for years, and have never had a bad reaction.

Re: After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

57babe — Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:21:41 GMT

I'm sorry that you're experiencing this problem after getting the shingles vaccine. Here's my own personal opinion of what may be going on:

I was going to get the shingles vaccine. But I decided to do some research about the shingles vaccine side effects before I got it. After reading the research on the vaccine -- combined with reading some of the personal accounts of the adverse effects of the shingles vaccine, I decided not to get the shingles vaccine at this time.

I read the research article about the safety of the shingles vaccine. The research stated that the vaccination was safe for the general population but that there were some incidents of adverse effects from the vaccination.

I don't recall the exact statistics of adverse events from the vaccination. But I do recall that one of the adverse effects of the vaccination was a skin rash. Some of the people has injection site skin rash. But others had a skin rash on other areas of the body that was like shingles.

I also read online blogs where people who have gotten the shingles vaccine have suffered some serious adverse effects of the vaccine. One of the adverse effects that these people complained about was of a painful skin rash, not just at the injection side but covering different areas of their bodies. They warned others to research the shingles vaccine before getting it.

So after reading the research article that said that some people got skin rash covering different areas of their bodies and then reading personal stories of how people are suffering from skin rash covering their bodies I decided not to get the shingles vaccine at this time.

Perhaps there is a particular sub-set of the population who cannot tolerate this vaccine?

I'm very sorry that you are having this problem after getting the vaccination.

Here is the link to the research article that I read. If I recall correctly, there is some information in this article citing evidence that some people had the adverse effect of a skin rash on other parts of the body, similar to shingles, after getting the shingles vaccine.

http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=745757

You can download the PDF and read it in it's entirety.

If I can locate the blogs with the personal stories of people who suffered skin rashes after getting the shingles vaccine, I'll post them for you.

I really hope this problem with shingles resolves in your case. Please tell your doctor about this. If he thinks that this problem was caused by the shingles vaccine he should file an adverse event report.

Take good care.

Re: After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

chrystaltree — Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:25:40 GMT

I think you had reactions to the botox injections, I doubt that it was shingles. What did your doctor say?

Re: After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

Jersey Born — Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:24:32 GMT

Robinre, here is an interesting case study of two women who developed shingles after botox injections, although their shingles vaccine status was not mentioned:

Article

Perhaps an injection with a toxin (such as botulinum toxin, aka botox) triggers an immune response that in turn activates the otherwise dormant shingles virus?

Interestingly, a woman, in the article below, inquired about a possible connection between her "filler" injection and her shingles outbreak a week later. Maybe the immune system is challenged in a negative way by these injections, whether botox or filler, giving rise to herpetic outbreaks. It is an interesting observation which very well may be more than just a coincidental correlation.

Article

Hope you have recovered fully from your shingles outbreak.

Re: After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

jewelfool — Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:31:41 GMT

I saw a plastic surgeon just last week and asked about the correlation to botox injections and shingles, he said one had nothing to do with another. I have been well since Fall but my vanity got the best of me last week so I went ahead and had botox injections between and around my eyes. I have had some "itchy" welts come up on my chest and my belly area (these are my usual places of flareups) in the past few days. I, however, don't feel sick like I do when I am getting ready to flare. I think in this case it is the cold weather and itchy dry skin. We'll see...I got the injections a week ago.

Re: After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

emmysmom — Wed, 22 Jan 2014 22:12:00 GMT

On 1/22/2014 57babe said:
I'm sorry that you're experiencing this problem after getting the shingles vaccine. Here's my own personal opinion of what may be going on:

I was going to get the shingles vaccine. But I decided to do some research about the shingles vaccine side effects before I got it. After reading the research on the vaccine -- combined with reading some of the personal accounts of the adverse effects of the shingles vaccine, I decided not to get the shingles vaccine at this time.

I read the research article about the safety of the shingles vaccine. The research stated that the vaccination was safe for the general population but that there were some incidents of adverse effects from the vaccination.

I don't recall the exact statistics of adverse events from the vaccination. But I do recall that one of the adverse effects of the vaccination was a skin rash. Some of the people has injection site skin rash. But others had a skin rash on other areas of the body that was like shingles.

I also read online blogs where people who have gotten the shingles vaccine have suffered some serious adverse effects of the vaccine. One of the adverse effects that these people complained about was of a painful skin rash, not just at the injection side but covering different areas of their bodies. They warned others to research the shingles vaccine before getting it.

So after reading the research article that said that some people got skin rash covering different areas of their bodies and then reading personal stories of how people are suffering from skin rash covering their bodies I decided not to get the shingles vaccine at this time.

Perhaps there is a particular sub-set of the population who cannot tolerate this vaccine?

I'm very sorry that you are having this problem after getting the vaccination.

Here is the link to the research article that I read. If I recall correctly, there is some information in this article citing evidence that some people had the adverse effect of a skin rash on other parts of the body, similar to shingles, after getting the shingles vaccine.

http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=745757

You can download the PDF and read it in it's entirety.

If I can locate the blogs with the personal stories of people who suffered skin rashes after getting the shingles vaccine, I'll post them for you.

I really hope this problem with shingles resolves in your case. Please tell your doctor about this. If he thinks that this problem was caused by the shingles vaccine he should file an adverse event report.

Take good care.

I am just getting over shingles, and I too have read the averse effects following the vaccine. After having the shingles, I also read that its not common to have another outbreak, so I too am taking my chances and continue to take 1000 mg of lysine daily. I would never have botox after reading this!

Re: After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

luvmydoggies — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 15:59:19 GMT

Shingles is the chicken pox virus. Unrelated to Botox.

Re: After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

Robinre — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 00:38:38 GMT

On 1/22/2014 chrystaltree said:
I think you had reactions to the botox injections, I doubt that it was shingles. What did your doctor say?

Hi, thanks for your comments. I was diagnosed by a doctor the first time after Botox and she was the one that gave the Botox shot and she mentioned that another patient also got shingles on the temple area recently. The second time. after Botox. I was diagnosed in the emergency room. It did not even occur to me that I might be getting shingles, only 6 months later but the pain was so severe I went to the hospital. Because I had the shingles shot the outbreak did not develop fully. I did have an itchy rash but the pain, radiating all along the facial nerve was severe with no relief from pain pills The third time, a year later, shingles was diagnosed by my doctor who had to send me immediately to the eye doctor because the shingles were "trying to get into" my eye. The eye doctor saw me immediately and also diagnosed shingles. Also when I went to the pharmacy to fill the prescription the clerk asked, "What is going on? So many women are all coming in with shingles?" And, of course we all well know that botox is very popular now.

Re: After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

Robinre — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 00:39:39 GMT

On 1/22/2014 Desertdi said:
I've had Botox for years, and have never had a bad reaction.

Hi, as mentioned I also had Botox for 14 years before the shingles shot with no adverse affects. The shingles came after the shingles vaccine.

Re: After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

Robinre — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 00:42:11 GMT

On 1/22/2014 chrystaltree said:
I think you had reactions to the botox injections, I doubt that it was shingles. What did your doctor say?

Hi, Was diagnosed by 3 different doctors plus an emergency room doctor. My dermatologist has advised me to follow up on this and do research and I live near Allergen (maker of Botox) and I am going to contact them. I showed my dermatologist an article from the internet about a doctor who always gives his patients medication for shingles when he does any kind of work on their faces.

Re: After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

Robinre — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 00:45:16 GMT

On 1/22/2014 jewelfool said:
I saw a plastic surgeon just last week and asked about the correlation to botox injections and shingles, he said one had nothing to do with another. I have been well since Fall but my vanity got the best of me last week so I went ahead and had botox injections between and around my eyes. I have had some "itchy" welts come up on my chest and my belly area (these are my usual places of flareups) in the past few days. I, however, don't feel sick like I do when I am getting ready to flare. I think in this case it is the cold weather and itchy dry skin. We'll see...I got the injections a week ago.

First of all, did you have a shingles shot? I think that is the intervening variable here. Also keep in mind that the shingles shots are relatively new. Also, along with itchy welts or rash there is incredible pain with shingles and the pain runs along a nerve pathway (mine along the facial nerve---from the back of the neck to the ear, to the nose, to the temple. Hold your hand, fingers spread across your face starting from the ear and you will see the path of the nerve.

Re: After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

Robinre — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 00:52:09 GMT

On 1/22/2014 Jersey Born said:
Robinre, here is an interesting case study of two women who developed shingles after botox injections, although their shingles vaccine status was not mentioned:

Article

Perhaps an injection with a toxin (such as botulinum toxin, aka botox) triggers an immune response that in turn activates the otherwise dormant shingles virus?

Interestingly, a woman, in the article below, inquired about a possible connection between her "filler" injection and her shingles outbreak a week later. Maybe the immune system is challenged in a negative way by these injections, whether botox or filler, giving rise to herpetic outbreaks. It is an interesting observation which very well may be more than just a coincidental correlation.

Article

Hope you have recovered fully from your shingles outbreak.

Hi, thanks for the mention of the article. I read it and also saw the reply from the doctor who gives his Radiesse patients shingles medication if they have had shingles in the past. So, he must have experienced patients with these complaints. Also, yes, I agree with the idea that perhaps Botox "challenges the immune system in a negative way." However, I had Botox shots for over 14 years with no adverse affects. Only after the shingles shots. I really believe that Allergan and dermatologists need to work together in regards to asking patients questions about: Shingles vaccine, incidence of shingles, etc. Also, perhaps if incidence of either is found, a simple preventive prescription should be given to the patient.

Re: After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

Robinre — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 00:55:46 GMT

On 1/23/2014 OverandOut said:
Shingles is the chicken pox virus. Unrelated to Botox.

I am well aware of that. My issues are not with what Botox is or what Shingles is, it is with the other facts mentioned in my post, which I hoped detailed all my concerns. Since then I have added to the post by answering other replies to mine.

Re: After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

The Bee — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 00:58:14 GMT

I think the human body is amazing and the idea that botox and shingles outbreak are not connected is an oversimplification. My reason for this belief? Every time I eat anything with gluten I have a shingles breakout! I've had the shingles shot also and the Drs. have diagnosed the breakout as shingles. What they can't get their minds around is the fact that it only happens if I ingest gluten! I documented my food/shingles/gluten for over a year. As one of my Dr. said, "The body is going to do what the body is going to do." At least I can prevent shingles outbreaks as long as I don't get into something I don't recognize as containing gluten.

You know your own body and you know how it is affected by many things. Listen to it and act accordingly.

Re: After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

emmysmom — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 01:31:35 GMT

On 1/23/2014 The Bee said:
I think the human body is amazing and the idea that botox and shingles outbreak are not connected is an oversimplification. My reason for this belief? Every time I eat anything with gluten I have a shingles breakout! I've had the shingles shot also and the Drs. have diagnosed the breakout as shingles. What they can't get their minds around is the fact that it only happens if I ingest gluten! I documented my food/shingles/gluten for over a year. As one of my Dr. said, "The body is going to do what the body is going to do." At least I can prevent shingles outbreaks as long as I don't get into something I don't recognize as containing gluten.

You know your own body and you know how it is affected by many things. Listen to it and act accordingly.

I just had shingles and I am sensitive to gluten as well. I will make sure I don't have any gluten! I would also be hesitant to get the vaccine as my immune system is weakened by diabetes. Glad you found the connection between gluten and shingles and hope you never have another outbreak!

Re: After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

Mindy D — Sat, 25 Jan 2014 15:54:28 GMT

Shingles is the Chicken Pox virus, but injections with deadly poison can trigger immune reactions and shingles are known to appear after illness and immune stressors. Doctors are now able to report adverse effects/ possible effects in association with medicines. This is more than coincidence, with three for three. Talk to your pharmacist and find out how this reporting is done. It takes some action to get going on this.

Re: After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

viwanton — Sat, 25 Jan 2014 20:28:08 GMT

It's possible that you are getting a herpes simplex breakout, not shingles. Ask your doctor to prescribe Valtrex before you get your injections. The same thing can happen with laser treatments particularly on the lip and filler injections.

Re: After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

goodstuff — Sat, 25 Jan 2014 20:52:17 GMT

Shingles comes from a herpes virus (the same strain of herpes that causes chicken pox), and like the herpes strains that cause cold sores, genital herpes, and other types of herpes, the virus remains dormant in the body until some trigger (sun exposure, stress, a cold, flu, or other infection, etc.) causes an outbreak. My first thought is that you might be having a local reaction to the Botox causing a reactive rash -- not necessarily shingles. Has your doctor confirmed that the rash at the Botox injection site really is shingles? If so, my guess is that the Botox injections are stressing your body's immune system and triggering a shingles outbreak. Especially if the shingles vaccine was given fairly recently, you might be more sensitive than usual.

Re: After Shingles vaccine got shingles every time I had Botox injections (3)

Danielle46 — Sat, 25 Jan 2014 21:05:13 GMT

On 1/22/2014 Jersey Born said:
Robinre, here is an interesting case study of two women who developed shingles after botox injections, although their shingles vaccine status was not mentioned:

Article

Perhaps an injection with a toxin (such as botulinum toxin, aka botox) triggers an immune response that in turn activates the otherwise dormant shingles virus?

Interestingly, a woman, in the article below, inquired about a possible connection between her "filler" injection and her shingles outbreak a week later. Maybe the immune system is challenged in a negative way by these injections, whether botox or filler, giving rise to herpetic outbreaks. It is an interesting observation which very well may be more than just a coincidental correlation.

Article

Hope you have recovered fully from your shingles outbreak.

Botox, Juvaderm and a few others can definitely trigger an immune response. I was told by my doctor that people with autoimmune diseases should not get Botox, Juvaderm or any other similar product as they can flare up their autoimmune illness. I also know a few people who got very sick from the shingles vaccine. Just because they come out with a vaccine doesn't mean you have to get it. I'm not thats for sure. I don't know one person who has had shingles. None of them got the vaccine.