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Losing Weight and Exercise

Bridgegal — Sat, 06 Jan 2018 21:02:32 GMT

The evidence is now clear: Exercise is excellent for health; it’s just not that important for weight loss. So don't expect to lose a lot of weight by ramping up physical activity alone.

From--- Apple News: https://www.vox.com/2018/1/3/16845438/exercise-weight-loss-myth-burn-calories

Re: Losing Weight and Exercise

jeanlake — Sat, 06 Jan 2018 21:17:45 GMT

I need exercise for flexibility, maintaining muscle loss, lowering cholesterol, raising metabolism, increasing brain activity and lifting depression. I also love taking gratitude walks. Food intake affects my weight the most since I turned 50. I have to stay around 1300 calories a day or the pounds pack on. I'm over 5' but petite. Doc advised I manage intake working with this daily number. If I know I have a dinner event the next day, go down to 800 the day before. Darn. He's right.

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icezeus — Sat, 06 Jan 2018 21:23:09 GMT

Interesting article.

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sidsmom — Sat, 06 Jan 2018 21:33:29 GMT

@Bridgegal

Thanks for posting this.

I mentioned the study in a thread earlier this week.

https://community.qvc.com/t5/Wellness/Secret-of-wt-loss/m-p/4336638#M122648

In summary, we all utilize the same about of calories every day

regardless if we’re sedentary or if we’re running a marathon.

To be normal body weight, it is/always will be ‘all about the food.’

Happy this study is getting more buzz, but the fitness industry

is like the medical industry....money guides them for profit.

Telling someone their chosen method of movement/exercise is

not doing what they thought.....people are going to push back.

Hard. There’s no financial benefit to apply this information.

Re: Losing Weight and Exercise

QueenDanceALot — Sat, 06 Jan 2018 21:36:53 GMT

There''s an adage that's been around the fitness world for decades - "You Can't Outtrain a Bad Diet".

We've known this for a long time. People just don't seem to want to know that they have to change what, and how much, they put in their mouths.

I started working with a guy last week who wants to lose 40 pounds. He told me he has no intention of changing his diet, which he tells me is "pretty healthy". I had to tell him that he isn't going to be losing much, ikf any, if he doesn't work on his diet.

We'll see if he wakes up!

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QueenDanceALot — Sat, 06 Jan 2018 21:39:49 GMT

However, if you were to train on the level of an elite athlete, the numbers would be a bit different.

Biut who trains on that level?

Certainly, not your average gym member, or even someone who runs 2 hours a day.

Re: Losing Weight and Exercise

sidsmom — Sat, 06 Jan 2018 21:46:54 GMT

@QueenDanceALot wrote:
There''s an adage that's been around the fitness world for decades - "You Can't Outtrain a Bad Diet".

We've known this for a long time. People just don't seem to want to know that they have to change what, and how much, they put in their mouths.

I started working with a guy last week who wants to lose 40 pounds. He told me he has no intention of changing his diet, which he tells me is "pretty healthy". I had to tell him that he isn't going to be losing much, ikf any, if he doesn't work on his diet.

We'll see if he wakes up!

@QueenDanceALot

How about having him log everything in via Cronometer?

He could even send it to you every night.

That C/P/F pie chart is eye-opening!

Re: Losing Weight and Exercise

QueenDanceALot — Sat, 06 Jan 2018 21:54:09 GMT

@sidsmom wrote:
@QueenDanceALot wrote:
There''s an adage that's been around the fitness world for decades - "You Can't Outtrain a Bad Diet".

We've known this for a long time. People just don't seem to want to know that they have to change what, and how much, they put in their mouths.

I started working with a guy last week who wants to lose 40 pounds. He told me he has no intention of changing his diet, which he tells me is "pretty healthy". I had to tell him that he isn't going to be losing much, ikf any, if he doesn't work on his diet.

We'll see if he wakes up!

@QueenDanceALot
How about having him log everything in via Cronometer?
He could even send it to you every night.
That C/P/F pie chart is eye-opening!

@sidsmom

I need to get to know him better first. He needs to trust me with his workout program first (he hasn't done any formal training in years, and very little weight training ever.

We'll address the food when I feel he's more receptive.

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LoveMyBaby — Sat, 06 Jan 2018 23:45:33 GMT

@Bridgegal @QueenDanceALot

Yeah, I'm finding this newsflash out the hard way.... exercising hard since October but the pounds are not coming off because I have not jumped on the diet bandwagon. I thought I could lose just by exercising a good three hours a week but nope. You gotta stop stuffin yourself. That's always been the way, unless like you say, you're Michael Phelps. I think I read when he was in the Olympics training, he was eating like 10,000 calories a day to keep up his stamina needs.

Thanks for the reminder, it is appreciated.👍🏼

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phoenixbrd — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 00:33:09 GMT

@Bridgegal Lots of positive results and reasons to exercise, unfortunately losing weight isn't one of them. It is all about the food and not about the amount of time spent in a gym. Fortunately, focusing on restricting calories is also outdated (eat within reason, no need for restricting and deprivation). We need to look for nutrient density and satiety in the food we consume to satisfy hunger. There is no reason to be hungry when losing weight....lots of research and success. So your comment - exercise is excellent for health, but not critical for weight loss - is true. I've change my time commitment at the gym as a result of this knowledge. Wishing you much success in your weight loss!

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Goldengate8361 — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 00:46:22 GMT

I thought everybody knew this already......

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Bridgegal — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 00:49:11 GMT

@QueenDanceALot wrote:
However, if you were to train on the level of an elite athlete, the numbers would be a bit different.

Biut who trains on that level?

Certainly, not your average gym member, or even someone who runs 2 hours a day.

True. I read years ago that the only exercise that will truly aid in weight loss is training for a triathalon or IRON MAN.

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sidsmom — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 01:02:39 GMT

@Goldengate8361 wrote:
I thought everybody knew this already......

Unfortunately, the mainstream still believes in the

‘eat less, exercise more’ for optimum health.

It also means...every exercise machine & FitBit-type

of tracker which tracks your calories is...useless.

Re: Losing Weight and Exercise

QueenDanceALot — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 01:19:09 GMT

@Bridgegal wrote:
@QueenDanceALot wrote:
However, if you were to train on the level of an elite athlete, the numbers would be a bit different.

Biut who trains on that level?

Certainly, not your average gym member, or even someone who runs 2 hours a day.

True. I read years ago that the only exercise that will truly aid in weight loss is training for a triathalon or IRON MAN.

@Bridgegal

I suspect there are more, but none of them are average "athlete" programs, or just "active lifestyle" livers (and how many of them are there these days, anyway?

While I have the utmost respect for science, the findings of the Scientific American study still leave me with questions. And I read it. I can testify that I lost 15-20 pounds after going from a desk job (and training pretty heavy at the gym - not "elite" but heavy for the average person) to a horse farm job - it happened over a few years, though, but I was eating a lot, pretty much the same kinds of foods as well as those I ate while having the desk job and the 4-5X per week "split" routine at the gym. I certainly was not trying to lose weight, but I did. An old horse friend and I joke about how, when we were horse workers that we were nothing but muscle, bone and skin.

So, there is a level of work at which the equation changes.

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sidsmom — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 02:11:17 GMT

@QueenDanceALot

Even in the article it mentioned there were still questions, but

I think the Hadza Tribe study is the beginning of a paradigm shift.

At this point, there’s no financial gain w/ this info, so there’s

no Incentive to continue to study.

I’ll admit, it’s hard to wrap my head around it. One second, I feel

I understand it, then next second, I’m questioning/doubting it.

Will be interesting to see if anything becomes of all this in the future.

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hckynut — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 03:46:05 GMT

@Bridgegal wrote:

The evidence is now clear: Exercise is excellent for health; it’s just not that important for weight loss. So don't expect to lose a lot of weight by ramping up physical activity alone.

From--- Apple News: https://www.vox.com/2018/1/3/16845438/exercise-weight-loss-myth-burn-calories

@Bridgegal

Your 1st 5 words? Sorry, it is not clear! For some, maybe! For others like myself? I know and have known how to lose/gain and/or maintain my weight, for many decades now. Should I choose, or in much of the last 15 years, have "my way of exercising removed"? It has taken me the best part of that last 12 years to be able to do what I know works for me".

"it's just not that important for weight loss"? That is a general statement, and while it may be true for those that participated in a study, or who knows? Maybe just answered questions to, who knows who, taking a phone survey about their exercise routine. And we all know that "nobody exagerates when they tell others how hard they exercised that day", right?

The same formula does not work for everyone, that is what has been proven, but beat goes on with new this/new info (which to me is old news"?"). I will save my long proven, facts for myself, for a topic that is worth my time typing.

I'll pass of the link, but others may get something positive out of reading it, and that is always a good thing, as long as they do not believe every theory they read.

Just my thoughts and my over 50 years of knowing what is best for this old body, both with fuel(food) input, and exercise output.

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Pook — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 10:18:54 GMT

From my personal experience, that is bunk!! Exercise is of major importance to weight loss!! I know when I am not as physically active, I try to eat less and healthier but I still gain weight. When I am able to resume my workouts I always loose weight and inches. I first have to workout and be active which then decreases my desire to overeat so there is direct corelation to working out and being active and loosing weight!

After resolving some medical issues this summer I was able to ramp up my workouts and while not really changing my diet have lost 20 pounds.

With this cold weather, I haven't been able to walk with my dog since Christmas and I have noticed some t gain in both of us and we have eaten the same - even though I am still doing my regular workouts daily.

Without my workouts I would have to eat very little to just retain the same weight.

In the end though without working out and even if my weight remained the same, I would look heavier because the toning and muscle I have when working out takes many inches off.

Many doctors I have seen are amazed at how much I weigh since I am very muscular. Without being physically active I would go up 2 clothing sizes so maybe in a sense it's not about the weight loss or gain but the body size. No matter though because physical activity is definitely way more important than what you eat!!

Many hop on this misguided information to use as an excuse to not workout and probably have never really been physically active anyway!!

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LindaSal — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 13:08:48 GMT

You cannot beat exercise for the benefit of your health and to maintain body weight.

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hckynut — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 16:43:57 GMT

@Pook,

We have pretty much had the same experiences when it comes to exercise. For many that do so just for weight loss, but hate the thought of just having to do it, they quit when they reach their goal, and then what? They wonder why they have gained back the weight they lost!

That is why it is so important to try to find some type of exercise(anything that gets your body parts moving) that you might even enjoy doing, I have always found several of them, and when you enjoy it? You look forward to it rather than dread the thought of doing it, and that seldom lasts long.

My only different take than what you have said in this post is in regards to eating. While exercise is a very big factor, not only for physical fitness and health, food and what you eat is just as important. To me they are, at the very least, equal partners when it comes to health/physical fitness, and weight loss/gain and/or control.

I am convinced you know your body well, and that you know by the way you feel, where you are at when one of these 2 important factors are not present in your activities, and at the levels you prefer. Nice to reading a post written by your own personal experience. Studies/Polls/Tests, and just plain BS, will continue to be said and/or written, most I just shake my head and continue with what I know.

Best to you,

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proudlyfromNJ — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 16:49:33 GMT

I know. Studies, polls and tests are spouted here every day. They want everyone to believe them and make fun when not everyone believes or want to follow the way of the studies, polls and tests.