topic Re: intermittent fasting in Wellness

intermittent fasting

Happiness Is Inside JOB — Tue, 05 Sep 2017 19:56:42 GMT

Hello Wellness Community - I was wondering if anyone on here does any kind of intermittent fasting??? I am researching it now and it seems interesting. I'd love to hear any comments you have from your experience.

I tend to be a nibbler so I need to "break" the cycle.

Re: intermittent fasting

phoenixbrd — Tue, 05 Sep 2017 21:30:58 GMT

@Happiness Is Inside JOB Yes...18/6. It is easy and effective....lunch 12:00, dinner 6:000 usually. I take a day off if I want or I might fast , I listen to my body. You can adjust your hours to suit your schedule. I am trying something new since I watched a fabulous seminar on Mastering Diabetes (which I don't have, but learned a lot about insulin resistance and lots of research on low fat plant based eating -I've been plant based most of my life, long before it was popular). The panel of over 20 doctors were the best and very well known in the health/wellness community (Dr. Bernard, Dr. Gregor, Dr. McDougal, etc....). So I'm experimenting with eating substantial low fat starch/plant based diet. (Will continue to eat no oil, salt, sugar, meat, dairy, processed food) The medical research is convincing...but I will still sub some of my meals with raw plant based meals. If your goal is health or weight loss, I would highly suggest a plant based diet, the IF is a great additional motivator. Good luck to you!

Re: intermittent fasting

MissMaggieMoo — Tue, 05 Sep 2017 20:53:30 GMT

Hi Happiness. I've been doing IF for probably the last month or so. I do it 7 days a week with maybe a day off here and there. I try to have my last meal between 6-7 pm and then do not eat anything until the next day between noon-1 pm. For lunch I have a protein smoothie (frozen unsweetened berries, frozen banana, protein powder, plain Greek yogurt, plain unsweetened almond milk and 3 tsp. coconut sugar (low gyclemic index). I do have a cup or two of coffee between 6-8 am with half and half and a 1/2 tsp. of sugar. So, I don't quite do true IF, more modified IF. I can't drink black coffee which would be true to IF. So, I improvise.

Also, other than the small amount of sugar in my coffee and smoothie, I do not have any other foods with added sugar, only naturally occuring sugar (fruit). I do not eat any processed food. For dinner I may have a large salad with an oil and vinegar base dressing or salmon with veggie or something else that I consider to be very healthy. I also drink water most of the day with a slice of lemon or lime in it.

I fell off the wagon for the past week but am back on IF. I can honestly say that I felt pretty good while doing it and have lost weight on it which was my main goal. I was sleeping better and didn't feel so achy when first getting up in the morning. Like I said, I'm back on it and plan to stick with it. And, for the most part, I'm not hungry between my evening meal and my noon time meal the next day. I was very surprised by this. But, don't fall off the wagon because all the bad habits come back quickly.

Good luck if you decide to take the plunge.

Re: intermittent fasting

Azcowgirl — Tue, 05 Sep 2017 21:21:27 GMT

I've practiced IF most of my life, eating one mid day meal of organic plant based with small portion of poultry or fish, and a hand full of almonds. A couple times a month, just a hand full of almonds only. To drink, water or a flavored water, and an occasional can of diet soda. I've been able to keep my weight exactly where I want it. My treat, is a bit of chocolate.

Re: intermittent fasting

Big Joanie — Tue, 05 Sep 2017 22:00:25 GMT

I am a compulsive overeater and binge eater .. I would love to adopt

a program like this ....This summer due to many stressors my addiction

has really reared its ugly head and the overeating and binging have been

very bad ...Have a Dr. appoitment in Oct and it is not going to be pretty .

Every day I say I am going to get a handle on this problem ..but just can't

seem to do it ....

Re: intermittent fasting

Moonchilde — Tue, 05 Sep 2017 23:18:21 GMT

I've been doing time-restricted fasting without knowing it for the past year and a half, by circumstance.

While I am in no way on a plant-based diet (nor aspire to be), neither do I stuff my face, calorie, carb or nutrition-wise, with nothing but kwap either. I watch my sugar & carbs.

I have lost some weight, but not nearly as much as would be expected. Not all that much over 18 months. The TRF has not affected my blood pressure or my diabetes, i.e. has not improved them. Much is said about intermittent fasting in and of itself, almost "curing" diabetes, but I haven't seen that at all, nor have I lost a huge amount of weight.

I'm sitting at 17 hrs without food right now. I have no physical ill effects, and don't really feel hungry, but on the flip-side I'm not getting any benefit either, that I can see.

If fasting "must" be done in conjunction with a 100% plant-based diet in order to "work", then it's not going to help me, clearly, because I'm not going there. Life's too short.

Re: intermittent fasting

bonnielu — Tue, 05 Sep 2017 23:28:02 GMT

Check out website with Dr. Gabe Mirkin. He has had lots ot say about this in the past.

I can lose weight and remain healthy if I don't nibble (better said than done) and if I can find a plan that I can follow. I do believe that MODERATION IS THE KEY.

Re: intermittent fasting

SeaMaiden — Tue, 05 Sep 2017 23:54:50 GMT

I eat supper at 4:00 pm I do not eat again until about noon the next day. Some days I do not eat at noon at all and just have supper 4:00pm... So I guess that is a form of fasting.

Re: intermittent fasting

violann — Wed, 06 Sep 2017 11:52:15 GMT

"Moderation" isn't the answer for me. I have 2 cups of coffee in the morning, 2 cups of tea at noon, and my super nutritious meal at night, always dark green leafy veggies as salad or hot greens, egg whites and one whole egg, unsalted mixed nuts, berries, or a green apple.

I've lost 85 pounds, and after gaining 7-8 of them back because of a sleep issue, I'm back to my routine and feeling great.

In this last challenging year, my average daily activity level wasn't as high as it should have been, but I'm getting back to that schedule too.

My eating window is about 4:45-7 pm. Works great for me. I don't recommend it to ANYONE but my doctors are happy with what I'm doing.

Re: intermittent fasting

violann — Wed, 06 Sep 2017 12:04:16 GMT

@Big Joanie wrote:
I am a compulsive overeater and binge eater .. I would love to adopt
a program like this ....This summer due to many stressors my addiction
has really reared its ugly head and the overeating and binging have been
very bad ...Have a Dr. appoitment in Oct and it is not going to be pretty .

Every day I say I am going to get a handle on this problem ..but just can't
seem to do it ....

@I think we've chatted before, @Big Joanie, but after a situation similar to yours, I've started deferring my disordered eating for shorter time periods. Yesterday I was fully driven to grab a spoon and attack a jar of Skippy's Extra Crunchy Peanut Butter, but happily, I deferred that craving for 15 minutes, and it worked. I then ate my PLANNED supper, and enjoyed it.

I also allow myself to go limp before I binge, relaxing every body part and every thought, and that sometimes helps a bit too.

I definitely think you're on the right track by acknowledging that your binging/craving is behavioral, because a BEHAVIOR can be CHANGED, even if making the change is very difficult.

The REAL viscious cycle in binge/crave disorder is allowing yourself to feel blame or shame for what you do rather than thinking of your overwhelming compulsion as something g for which you ultimately CAN develop control.

Re: intermittent fasting

violann — Wed, 06 Sep 2017 12:11:40 GMT

@Moonchilde wrote:
I've been doing time-restricted fasting without knowing it for the past year and a half, by circumstance.

While I am in no way on a plant-based diet (nor aspire to be), neither do I stuff my face, calorie, carb or nutrition-wise, with nothing but kwap either. I watch my sugar & carbs.

I have lost some weight, but not nearly as much as would be expected. Not all that much over 18 months. The TRF has not affected my blood pressure or my diabetes, i.e. has not improved them. Much is said about intermittent fasting in and of itself, almost "curing" diabetes, but I haven't seen that at all, nor have I lost a huge amount of weight.

I'm sitting at 17 hrs without food right now. I have no physical ill effects, and don't really feel hungry, but on the flip-side I'm not getting any benefit either, that I can see.

If fasting "must" be done in conjunction with a 100% plant-based diet in order to "work", then it's not going to help me, clearly, because I'm not going there. Life's too short.

My eating schedule (I don't use the word "diet" anymore) isn't entirely plant based, although I do consume lots of veggies with my protein sources.

I eat eggs, plain unsalted meats, plain fish/seafood, unsugared yoghurt, and small portions of nuts.

All my body systems and blood testing are much better than they were before I started.

I don't "watch" kwap, I omit it.

It always gives me major giggles when I hear " I watch what I eat" because I WATCHED what I ate for years, then ate everything in SIGHT.

Re: intermittent fasting

violann — Wed, 06 Sep 2017 12:13:51 GMT

@bonnielu wrote:
Check out website with Dr. Gabe Mirkin. He has had lots ot say about this in the past.

I can lose weight and remain healthy if I don't nibble (better said than done) and if I can find a plan that I can follow. I do believe that MODERATION IS THE KEY.

Are you looking for something new to try?

You might be surprised to find that giving up "moderation" would work better for you than you think! 😉

Re: intermittent fasting

hckynut — Wed, 06 Sep 2017 15:45:07 GMT

@Happiness Is Inside JOB

I have done that for decades now, more often when I was competing in Road Runs and doing a lot of hockey games as a Referee. For me it is an easy thing to do because between doing it that long, and being on a "Clear Liquid Diet" when in the hospital for weeks having umpteen Colonoscopies, I have had lots of experience with it.

It always made me feel much better, and also seemed to make me feel lighter, with is always a good thing before any strenuous physical/long term activity. Read and heard about this at several Clinics I attended back in the late 1970's-1980's. Gave it a try and liked the way I felt after.

Still do this at a minimum of once a month, usually twice a month. Doing this never made me feel weak, even for the 17 days I had to do it when in the hospital for Colonoscopies and/or Double Balloon Enteroscopies. During those times I was Anemic, with very low Hemoglobin readings, but still very physically fit, which really was a blessing for me during those long periods of Colonoscopy/Gallon of GoLytely/Blood Transfusions and Iron Infusions.

Worth seeing if it does the same for you if you have no major health issues. Might want to check with your doctor about this first.

hckynut(john)

Re: intermittent fasting

Lipstickdiva — Wed, 06 Sep 2017 15:55:24 GMT

@violann wrote:
@bonnielu wrote:
Check out website with Dr. Gabe Mirkin. He has had lots ot say about this in the past.

I can lose weight and remain healthy if I don't nibble (better said than done) and if I can find a plan that I can follow. I do believe that MODERATION IS THE KEY.
Are you looking for something new to try?
You might be surprised to find that giving up "moderation" would work better for you than you think! 😉

I posted in other threads that I also was of the belief "everyting in moderation." Then I realized moderation doesn't work for me. What works for me is eliminating the foods totally. I don't feel deprived once I get over that hump of not having the stuff. I end up just not wanting it.

But if I have 1 cookie, that isn't enough. I have to have another cookie and another cookie and another. It just sets me off.

Re: intermittent fasting

Happiness Is Inside JOB — Wed, 06 Sep 2017 16:48:03 GMT

@violann wrote:
"Moderation" isn't the answer for me. I have 2 cups of coffee in the morning, 2 cups of tea at noon, and my super nutritious meal at night, always dark green leafy veggies as salad or hot greens, egg whites and one whole egg, unsalted mixed nuts, berries, or a green apple.
I've lost 85 pounds, and after gaining 7-8 of them back because of a sleep issue, I'm back to my routine and feeling great.
In this last challenging year, my average daily activity level wasn't as high as it should have been, but I'm getting back to that schedule too.
My eating window is about 4:45-7 pm. Works great for me. I don't recommend it to ANYONE but my doctors are happy with what I'm doing.

Ms Violann -

Thank you so much for your detail, I think I will attempt, "ATTEMPT" to adapt something similar to this at least 3 days per week. I would love to work up to everyday. I like your dinner as I like greem veggies and I like eggs in addition to what you listed.

I need to lose at least 30 lbs at a minimum, 60 at "perfection".

thanks again.

Re: intermittent fasting

sidsmom — Wed, 06 Sep 2017 16:52:50 GMT

Re: intermittent fasting

Happiness Is Inside JOB — Wed, 06 Sep 2017 16:53:31 GMT

@hckynut wrote:

@Happiness Is Inside JOB

I have done that for decades now, more often when I was competing in Road Runs and doing a lot of hockey games as a Referee. For me it is an easy thing to do because between doing it that long, and being on a "Clear Liquid Diet" when in the hospital for weeks having umpteen Colonoscopies, I have had lots of experience with it.

It always made me feel much better, and also seemed to make me feel lighter, with is always a good thing before any strenuous physical/long term activity. Read and heard about this at several Clinics I attended back in the late 1970's-1980's. Gave it a try and liked the way I felt after.

Still do this at a minimum of once a month, usually twice a month. Doing this never made me feel weak, even for the 17 days I had to do it when in the hospital for Colonoscopies and/or Double Balloon Enteroscopies. During those times I was Anemic, with very low Hemoglobin readings, but still very physically fit, which really was a blessing for me during those long periods of Colonoscopy/Gallon of GoLytely/Blood Transfusions and Iron Infusions.

Worth seeing if it does the same for you if you have no major health issues. Might want to check with your doctor about this first.

hckynut(john)

Hello John -

I value your commentary very much. I consider you a wealth of information and look for your comments in various posts as an "authority" on many issues. Thank you so much.

Re: intermittent fasting

chrystaltree — Wed, 06 Sep 2017 18:55:04 GMT

I never did it and I've done everything. It's really just reducing your calories except instead of doing 1200 calories for 7 days, you do something like 1700 one day and 500 the next day and so on and so forth. Or you do 3 days at 1800 followed my 2 days at 600 calories. There are many variations but at the end of a week, you are still taking in 8400 calories. Same as that 1200 calories a day. I don't think a nibbler could get through the fasting days and you still have to eat a low fat, low carb on all your days. I'm sure it works for those who can take the fasting days. Not many can.

Re: intermittent fasting

Happiness Is Inside JOB — Wed, 06 Sep 2017 19:34:47 GMT

Thanks for all the commentary, I found several posters on you tube that have a wealth of information. Eric Berg, Thomas DeLaur, Dy Ann Parham just to name a few.

If your schedule permits please check them out.

Re: intermittent fasting

willdob3 — Thu, 07 Sep 2017 15:16:34 GMT

@chrystaltree wrote:
I never did it and I've done everything. It's really just reducing your calories except instead of doing 1200 calories for 7 days, you do something like 1700 one day and 500 the next day and so on and so forth. Or you do 3 days at 1800 followed my 2 days at 600 calories. There are many variations but at the end of a week, you are still taking in 8400 calories. Same as that 1200 calories a day. I don't think a nibbler could get through the fasting days and you still have to eat a low fat, low carb on all your days. I'm sure it works for those who can take the fasting days. Not many can.

@chrystaltree

I'm an experienced Intermittent faster & I strongly disagree with your suggestion that IF is simply low calorie. It is very different than low calorie.

IF done correctly offers many health benefits and fat loss is just one of them. Most people find fasting very easy, much easier than low calorie ever dreamed of being.

IF is actually the way humans were meant to eat. Eating all day long is not good for us even if calories are low and/or the food is healthy.