topic Re: T2 Diabetes Home Glucose Monitoring Study Results in Wellness

Diabetes.

noodleann — Fri, 16 Jun 2017 02:41:07 GMT

Re: T2 Diabetes Home Glucose Monitoring Study Results

CatLoverDogsToo — Wed, 14 Jun 2017 20:22:18 GMT

This is just my opinion, as I am a Type 1 and must test.

The only problem I see with the study: If a Type 2 is testing and "eating to their meter" to keep blood glucose under tight control, then testing makes sense.

If a Type 2 is testing but not doing anything with the results, then it is useless.

The Type 2's I interact with on a daily basis are testing frequently because they are "eating to their meter" and are under very tight control.

Testing once a day or once a week probably is worthless as is testing but not acting upon the results.

I also have to wonder if the study is going to "help" insurance companies either deny coverage for strips or severely limit the number of strips allowed even more than they already do.

I am suspicious of all of this.

No intent on my part to anger any Type 2's, this is really just my analysis of the whole thing.

edited to fix a typo or two.

Re: T2 Diabetes Home Glucose Monitoring Study Results

Trinity11 — Wed, 14 Jun 2017 20:54:27 GMT

@CatLoverDogsToo wrote:
This is just my opinion, as I am a Type 1 and must test.

The only problem I see with the study: If a Type 2 is testing and "eating to their meter" to keep blood glucose under tight control, then testing makes sense.

If a Type 2 is testing but not doing anything with the results, then it is useless.

The Type 2's I interact with on a daily basis are testing frequently because they are "eating to their meter" and are under very tight control.

Testing once a day or once a week probably is worthless as is testing but not acting upon the results.

I also have to wonder if the study is going to "help" insurance companies either deny coverage for strips or severely limit the number of strips allowed even more than they already do.

I am suspicious of all of this.

No intent on my part to anger any Type 2's, this is really just my analysis of the whole thing.

edited to fix a typo or two.

@CatLoverDogsToo Yes, a great way for insurance companies to stop paying for glucose strips or severely limit them. Like yourself, I am suspicious.

Many Type 2 diabetics need to test because many oral agents can cause hypoglycemia. Are these patients supposed to guess? I have read diabetes care in the USA isn't much better than Third World countries. Any study that WANTS to prove something usually does.

Re: T2 Diabetes Home Glucose Monitoring Study Results

CatLoverDogsToo — Wed, 14 Jun 2017 20:57:33 GMT

@Trinity11 "Many Type 2 diabetics need to test because many oral agents can cause hypoglycemia. Are these patients supposed to guess? I have read diabetes care in the USA isn't much better than Third World countries. Any study that WANTS to prove something usually does."

Very true!

Re: T2 Diabetes Home Glucose Monitoring Study Results

Q4u — Thu, 15 Jun 2017 01:08:19 GMT

I've had T2 for about 10 years now. And you DO need to test. There are so many factors involved it can be scary.

I have two cups of coffee with Mocha Mix (non dairy creamer) every morning. I have a very low sugar, no fat, high protein oatmeal bar every morning. I get up at 6 a.m. and by 11 a.m. my numbers are usually around 80, but can go up to 120 or down to 60. Why? When what I eat and drink is exactly the same every single morning..... probably stress of some kind.

But the point I'm making is that I need to know what that number is, especially if it's falling. Sometimes I feel sick from it going down, sometimes not so much. You have to know! Because if you can't get it back up to a normal reading and it keeps falling, you'll need medical help!

I also have suspicions as to the results of this study....

Re: T2 Diabetes Home Glucose Monitoring Study Results

Poodlepet2 — Thu, 15 Jun 2017 01:58:34 GMT

IT A with all of you: I live by my meter-and yes, I do let it dictate how and what I am going to eat...but I have encountered so many people who just say, "I'm going to have what I want-in a smaller portion-because nobody is going to take my enjoyment of food away from me"....so, they might have chicken, broccoli and stuffing....their 2hour post is 160, but they measured out their portion of stuffing that gives them 30 grams of carbs ( not much-and they decide it's not enough, so by Heck, they are going to eat a decent serving).....

Even if they stick to the limit and the 2h pp is 165, they will not change anything. They see it as they were given an AMOUNT of carbs rather than QUALITY.

The "human factor"? I don't know what to call it, but I guess that's it.....I have neuropathy, and G-D's sake, my A1c has been between 4.8-5.2 at its highest. We don't know for sure what's going on with me, but I find it frightening when I have numbness or killer pain in my extremities.....: I will continue to choose cauliflower rice over the grain, and cauliflower/mashed potato conglomeration over the regular.....

My list could go on and on.

My point is, we are aware of how food affects us and I really believe DE might possibly needed to be expanded beyond introductory courses. From the way things are looking, that will not be done.

Poodlepet2

Re: T2 Diabetes Home Glucose Monitoring Study Results

CatLoverDogsToo — Thu, 15 Jun 2017 05:44:08 GMT

@Q4u @Poodlepet2 I am chiming in again, despite the fact that I am a Type 1. It gladdens me that you both take all this seriously and do test.

The thing that scares and aggravates me is when I hear a person with Type 2 say to me: "Oh, I don't have to worry. I eat what I want, I don't have the "bad diabetes", I'm not taking shots." I am helping my daughter redo her new classroom and I cannot tell you the number of teachers and parapros that keep saying this.

Someone asked me how I liked the meter I was using, as I had just finished testing, before injecting and eating some salad. One of the teachers then started telling us she is a Type 2 on insulin, but she does what she wants, while eating donuts, cookies and loads of tootsie rolls during the meeting. She never left the room to test or give herself a shot. I asked her when she intended to do either of those things, and she actually said: "Oh, I'll take some insulin when I get home later, I don't bother to test." Oy vey!!! I was seeing "red" at that point, but said nothing. She is entitled to be as irresponsible as she chooses.

There isn't a "good" type of diabetes, all of it is serious.

This study most likely will further the opinion of some that their Type 2 isn't serious.

I hate to break it to folks, but if you don't take care of yourself, any beta cells producing insulin will eventually die out and then you will be on insulin. If you aren't testing, how the heck can you ever know where you are, what foods are affecting your blood sugar and what ones have minimal impact?

And now, I am stepping down off my soapbox again.

Re: T2 Diabetes Home Glucose Monitoring Study Results

wonderfulworld — Thu, 15 Jun 2017 13:50:55 GMT

@Poodlepet2 wrote:
IT A with all of you: I live by my meter-and yes, I do let it dictate how and what I am going to eat...but I have encountered so many people who just say, "I'm going to have what I want-in a smaller portion-because nobody is going to take my enjoyment of food away from me"....so, they might have chicken, broccoli and stuffing....their 2hour post is 160, but they measured out their portion of stuffing that gives them 30 grams of carbs ( not much-and they decide it's not enough, so by Heck, they are going to eat a decent serving).....

Even if they stick to the limit and the 2h pp is 165, they will not change anything. They see it as they were given an AMOUNT of carbs rather than QUALITY.

The "human factor"? I don't know what to call it, but I guess that's it.....I have neuropathy, and G-D's sake, my A1c has been between 4.8-5.2 at its highest. We don't know for sure what's going on with me, but I find it frightening when I have numbness or killer pain in my extremities.....: I will continue to choose cauliflower rice over the grain, and cauliflower/mashed potato conglomeration over the regular.....

My list could go on and on.

My point is, we are aware of how food affects us and I really believe DE might possibly needed to be expanded beyond introductory courses. From the way things are looking, that will not be done.
Poodlepet2

Thank you for sharing your insights Poodlepet2.

I have a question that I would like to ask you. I was under the impression the Type 2 diagnosis is made largely based on the A1C test numbers. Aren't yours in the non-diabetic range?

Thank you for any clarification you can give me.

Re: T2 Diabetes Home Glucose Monitoring Study Results

Poodlepet2 — Thu, 15 Jun 2017 19:30:26 GMT

Hi @wonderfulworld! At the time I was diagnosed, my A1c was 7.7 .

I worked hard at lowering my A1c: for me, my regime has worked, but there are others who try just as hard and get nowhere with lowering their numbers.

I am not in the Diabetic range (I get tested every three months), but I am still Diabetic. Unfortunately, it is not going to go away-and for most people, it gets worse with age. I will continue doing what I'm doing.

I will say, frequent testing and correlating the numbers with how I feel -and making dietary adjustments has helped me.

Poodlepet2

Re: T2 Diabetes Home Glucose Monitoring Study Results

wonderfulworld — Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:15:46 GMT

@Poodlepet2 wrote:
Hi @wonderfulworld! At the time I was diagnosed, my A1c was 7.7 .

I worked hard at lowering my A1c: for me, my regime has worked, but there are others who try just as hard and get nowhere with lowering their numbers.

I am not in the Diabetic range (I get tested every three months), but I am still Diabetic. Unfortunately, it is not going to go away-and for most people, it gets worse with age. I will continue doing what I'm doing.

I will say, frequent testing and correlating the numbers with how I feel -and making dietary adjustments has helped me.
Poodlepet2

Thank you very much for the clarification. You certainly are working very hard to keep healthy and well. Continued good health!

Re: T2 Diabetes Home Glucose Monitoring Study Results

Poodlepet2 — Thu, 15 Jun 2017 22:27:56 GMT

I have never researched this @CatLoverDogsToo, but I bet there are more deaths from Type 2, than type 1 when you look at the factors that contribute because of everything you said...

I have joked with my ARNP about going on sliding scale insulin for mango season.....It's a joke-People seem to think that if they know the carb content, they can just adjust their insulin dose and eat on.....and so they continually stay obese- yes-I used that word-and then they want to blame their doctors or insurance.

We absolutely need more testing strips made available-there is so much we need as a country. For the first time, we may outlive o ur children.

I am apologetic about meandering here, but it is all discouraging.

All I can say is be your best-and you are, as @ Moonchilde and @Trinity 11 is....we all try.

Poodlepet2

Re: T2 Diabetes Home Glucose Monitoring Study Results

Q4u — Fri, 16 Jun 2017 01:10:38 GMT

@CatLoverDogsToo you are SO right. Maybe because my Mother's friend had it and hid candy all over her house and ended up in horrible condition, that I saw at a young age.... or our Tax Man for years and years who is numb from the waist down with neuropathy because he has never followed what the doctors have told him (according to his wife) and has never tested and eaten what he wanted. And as a kid I watched the very funny Totie Fields, loved her.... and then found out she had her leg amputated because of Diabetes. I asked my Mom what that was all about because I was horrified..... and this stuff has stuck with me.

Diabetes is insidious and will rot a person from the inside out. If that isn't graphic enough to scare the beejeebes out of someone nothing will. If you have Diabetes, you have to worry.... you have to understand sugar, complex and simple carbs, learn about the food you are eating and even stress and what happens to your numbers when your body is sick or injured. If you are Diabetic you HAVE to watch your numbers.....

Re: T2 Diabetes Home Glucose Monitoring Study Results

chrystaltree — Mon, 19 Jun 2017 04:48:22 GMT

Ok, I see that axe you're trying to grind when it comes to Type 2's. I'll let that go and just say that the goal of the study is to assess and improve glucose monitoring. Which is a good thing.

Re: T2 Diabetes Home Glucose Monitoring Study Results

sidsmom — Mon, 19 Jun 2017 17:59:35 GMT

@CatLoverDogsToo wrote:
The thing that scares and aggravates me is when I hear a person with Type 2 say to me: "Oh, I don't have to worry. I eat what I want, I don't have the "bad diabetes", I'm not taking shots." I am helping my daughter redo her new classroom and I cannot tell you the number of teachers and parapros that keep saying this.

@CatLoverDogsToo

I totally agree w/ your sentiments.

In this very forum, in our little subculture of QVC, I see this all the time. It's really pronounced when the winter holidays ramp up & recipes of greasy, bacon-y, lardy, milky, cheese-y sludge is met w/ responses like 'OMG that sounds awesome!' while proclaiming to have to 'watch their numbers'...then in another forum, they are complaining about how bad they're feeling when they can control their BS#s. So many T2 people, whether they want to express it or not, thinks 'Just one bite & I'll adjust my insulin later.' Guaranteed.

Re: T2 Diabetes Home Glucose Monitoring Study Results

docsgirl — Mon, 19 Jun 2017 20:33:49 GMT

This topic came at just the right time for me as I was diagnosed on Friday, June 16. My fasting blood glucose was 144 and my A1C is 7.9. My doctor told me I was 'officially diabetic.,' but didn't say what type. I'm 71 years of age and have never been sick a day in my life other than a cold or bronchitis. He put me on Metformin and I will be attending Diabetes Education classes in July. I don't take shots and I wasn't told to test for anything. This is all so new to me and my eating habits have to change radically. I'm scared and know this is my fault. For several years my doctor kept telling me that my blood sugar was gradually rising and if I want to avoid becoming diabetic I needed to change my eating habits but I chose not to heed his advice. I know it's up to me to get this under control. I love to eat all the wrong things. If anyone has any suggestions before I get to the classes, please pass them on to me. Any and all information would be deeply appreciated. Thanks so much. docsgirl

Re: T2 Diabetes Home Glucose Monitoring Study Results

sidsmom — Mon, 19 Jun 2017 20:51:48 GMT

@docsgirl wrote:
This topic came at just the right time for me as I was diagnosed on Friday, June 16. My fasting blood glucose was 144 and my A1C is 7.9. My doctor told me I was 'officially diabetic.,' but didn't say what type. I'm 71 years of age and have never been sick a day in my life other than a cold or bronchitis. He put me on Metformin and I will be attending Diabetes Education classes in July. I don't take shots and I wasn't told to test for anything. This is all so new to me and my eating habits have to change radically. I'm scared and know this is my fault. For several years my doctor kept telling me that my blood sugar was gradually rising and if I want to avoid becoming diabetic I needed to change my eating habits but I chose not to heed his advice. I know it's up to me to get this under control. I love to eat all the wrong things. If anyone has any suggestions before I get to the classes, please pass them on to me. Any and all information would be deeply appreciated. Thanks so much. docsgirl

@docsgirl

Go to Google.

Type in 'diabetes plant based'.

Tons & tons of information on how to reverse.

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lolakimono — Mon, 19 Jun 2017 21:06:10 GMT

@docsgirl

Re: T2 Diabetes Home Glucose Monitoring Study Results

CatLoverDogsToo — Tue, 20 Jun 2017 02:46:02 GMT

@docsgirl I am sorry you have joined the "diabetes club", the club that no one chooses to join. Firstly, please stop blaming yourself. No matter what the media and others say, it really is not your "fault". Blaming yourself is counterproductive at this point.

As for diagnosis of Type 1 vs Type 2, many, many people are diagnosed as Type 1 later in life. Mary Tyler Moore was diagnosed after the age of 30. I was diagnosed Type 1 at age 56. It is now believed that a very high percentage of people diagnosed as Type 2 are in reality Type 1's.

You will need to start taking good care of yourself. A HgA1C of 7.9 is roughly equivalent to a blood sugar of 190. Not a good number.

I suggest you go to Walmart and pick up a Relion Prime meter and some strips. These are fairly accurate and inexpensive. I don't care what any "study" says, you need to test for many reasons. You test before eating and 2 hours after eating. This will tell you how you are reacting to foods and which ones drive your blood sugar up. More information is always better than little to none.

High carbohydrate foods are not good to eat, this includes starchy ones such as potatoes, pasta, bread, corn, grains of any kind. I know there is a poster here who continues to recommend a "plant based" diet, but her recommendations are simply wrong for diabetics. Please ignore most it not all she posts. I am sure she means well, but it is wrong, wrong, wrong.

Poodlepet started a thread a while ago concerning diabetes, and there is a lot of good information there too.

Metformin is a good medication, but it will not work "right away" so you will need to be patient.

If you have any other questions, there are many of us on the forum that have lots of experience and are willing to help. We will cheer you on in your quest for better health!

Re: T2 Diabetes Home Glucose Monitoring Study Results

sidsmom — Tue, 20 Jun 2017 02:54:15 GMT

@CatLoverDogsToo wrote:

High carbohydrate foods are not good to eat, this includes starchy ones such as potatoes, pasta, bread, corn, grains of any kind. I know there is a poster here who continues to recommend a "plant based" diet, but her recommendations are simply wrong for diabetics. Please ignore most it not all she posts. I am sure she means well, but it is wrong, wrong, wrong.

@docsgirl

Yes, I'm that plant based poster, hence my post upthread.

Food has hurt you....now food can heal you.

If you want to follow the rollercoaster of T2 Diabetes

for the rest of your life, don't listen to me.

I'm just offering 3 words...Diabetes Plant Based.

Do the research.

It's been proven time & time again, YOU HAVE THE POWER

to heal your condition....it's not too late! Instead of other posters

who only negatively suggest how to live w/ T2, I'm offering you

positive healing. Yes, I'm that poster. Guilty as charged.

I'm offering you to be a NON-diabetic.

BUT....I'm also the poster who doesn't have T2 diabetes.

Like the saying goes...'Choose your teachers carefully.'

Re: T2 Diabetes Home Glucose Monitoring Study Results

ID2 — Tue, 20 Jun 2017 09:38:10 GMT

Sorry @sidsmom but if you aren't a diabetic I really don't know how you can constantly preach the "become a non diabetic only if you eat my way"! Unless you have a doctors degree I really feel you have no place preaching. It kind-of gets real old. Until you've walked in our shoes (I'm a type 1) then I feel you don't know anything. JMO