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HELP! Is this "normal"?

teainlondon — Wed, 03 May 2017 14:38:57 GMT

I have Diabetes 2 for one year but have never been extreme. My PCP says I am diabetic because my blood sugar was higher than "normal at 156 a year ago and that made me a diabetic. She sent me to an endocrinologist, but my A1c was 6.0, so he said we would monitor and manage through diet and execise and healthy eating.

For a year I have been checking my blood three or more times a day and have mostly stayed within the parameters of what is allowable. However this morning was different.

I forgot and ate breakfast and drank juice and then after a half hour rememebred to check my blood. It was the highest it's ever been at 168. Now I have panicked. I just took it again and it's 214!!!!!! I am a wreck. I've NEVER had numbers like this.

Has anyone had something like this happen?

I am going to check my blood every two hours and see if it will go down. I am a scared.

tea

Re: HELP! Is this "normal"?

GCR18 — Wed, 03 May 2017 14:46:28 GMT

If I was scared, I'd get an appt with the Dr today or go to urgent care.

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henderson — Wed, 03 May 2017 15:03:43 GMT

No need to worry in my opinion. You ate breakfast and had orange juice which spiked your blood sugar. I never drink orange juice. This morning mine was about 200 -- I ate some brownies last night. Mine is usually about 160 in the morning before breakfast due to the "dawn effect". You can google that. Are you on medication? If you were diagnosed having diabetes 2 you should be. Sounds like you need to take a diabetes class to find out more about this disease. I get an A1C done every 4 months. Thankfully I'm not on insulin yet.

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teainlondon — Wed, 03 May 2017 15:48:37 GMT

Thanks lovethedesert. I think I just panicked before realizing this is probably what happens every morning. I've never checked after breakfast before, just before and then after lunch. I have checked blood again and it's coming down, so mayber it does that every morning and since I usually check BEFORE breakfast and after lunch, this is the first time I've seen it go up.

My endocrinologist is not a believer in throwing medicine at people who are just a little over or not at all. An A1c is normal for American Endocrinolists and 7.0 is normal for American Diabetes Assn. At 6.0, When I go to the dr. I'm always low in all categories and all tests are in normal ranges, so he looks at me as if to say,"Why are you here?" I wonder that too since I have no symptoms.

I am not going to take medicine unless I get to numbers that move me to Diabetes 1 and I think I have enough discipline to keep that from happening. I have controlled it for a year with exercise and diet, and that works for me.

tea

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Trinity11 — Wed, 03 May 2017 16:00:48 GMT

@teainlondon wrote:
Thanks lovethedesert. I think I just panicked before realizing this is probably what happens every morning. I've never checked after breakfast before, just before and then after lunch. I have checked blood again and it's coming down, so mayber it does that every morning and since I usually check BEFORE breakfast and after lunch, this is the first time I've seen it go up.

My endocrinologist is not a believer in throwing medicine at people who are just a little over or not at all. An A1c is normal for American Endocrinolists and 7.0 is normal for American Diabetes Assn. At 6.0, When I go to the dr. I'm always low in all categories and all tests are in normal ranges, so he looks at me as if to say,"Why are you here?" I wonder that too since I have no symptoms.

I am not going to take medicine unless I get to numbers that move me to Diabetes 1 and I think I have enough discipline to keep that from happening. I have controlled it for a year with exercise and diet, and that works for me.

tea

Type 1 has nothing to with discipline. It is an auto-immune disease where the pancreas no longer produces insulin. Insulin becomes necessary to stay alive.

Type 2 diabetes is where the pancreas produces insulin but the body has resistance.

You need to see a diabetes educator and someone who can help you with meal plans.

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SilleeMee — Wed, 03 May 2017 16:08:59 GMT

A friend of mine is in the same situation as you @teainlondon. He has high bs levels and has been advised by his doctor to watch his numbers. His doctor recommended this book so I bought it for him as a gift and my friend said it helped him learn more about diabeties and how to live with it.

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Trinity11 — Wed, 03 May 2017 16:12:44 GMT

@SilleeMee wrote:
A friend of mine is in the same situation as you @teainlondon. He has high bs levels and has been advised by his doctor to watch his numbers. His doctor recommended this book so I bought it for him as a gift and my friend said it helped him learn more about diabeties and how to live with it.

Just be advised his recommendations are not in synch with The ADA. He advises a very high fat diet with extremely low levels of carbohydrates. I followed it for years and had a major heart attack last year. I was told his ketogenic diet was partially to blame.

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CatLoverDogsToo — Wed, 03 May 2017 16:28:24 GMT

@Trinity11 I listen to Bernstein's monthly webcasts where he answers folks questions. He repeatedly states and emphasizes that he DOES NOT advocate a high fat diet. He advocates a Low Carbohydrate, High Protein diet. The high fat mischaracterization may have started because some people have not read through the entire book or listened to the web casts. He does advocate eating healthy fats.

I also think the Abbreviation LC/HF may be leading people to believe the HF stands for high fat when in fact it stands for High Fiber.

@teainlondon His diet is not an easy one to follow, but it does work. It isn't for everyone. The book itself is a good reference to own, whether you actually limit the carbs to his low amounts of 6-12-12 for a total of 30, or you modify it to suit your abilities.

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Trinity11 — Wed, 03 May 2017 16:36:51 GMT

@CatLoverDogsToo wrote:
@Trinity11 I listen to Bernstein's monthly webcasts where he answers folks questions. He repeatedly states and emphasizes that he DOES NOT advocate a high fat diet. He advocates a Low Carbohydrate, High Protein diet. The high fat mischaracterization may have started because some people have not read through the entire book or listened to the web casts. He does advocate eating healthy fats.

I also think the Abbreviation LC/HF may be leading people to believe the HF stands for high fat when in fact it stands for High Fiber.

@teainlondon His diet is not an easy one to follow, but it does work. It isn't for everyone. The book itself is a good reference to own, whether you actually limit the carbs to his low amounts of 6-12-12 for a total of 30, or you modify it to suit your abilities.

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My cardiologist calls him a quack. My endocrinologists won't condone his diet...in the hospital they told me that diabetics who follow his meal plan end up in the ER. I was told by many health professionals the protein is too high causing a strain on the kidneys.

i have all his books and followed the plan to the letter. I would recommend it to no one.

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SilleeMee — Wed, 03 May 2017 16:43:01 GMT

@Trinity11 wrote:
@CatLoverDogsToo wrote:
@Trinity11 I listen to Bernstein's monthly webcasts where he answers folks questions. He repeatedly states and emphasizes that he DOES NOT advocate a high fat diet. He advocates a Low Carbohydrate, High Protein diet. The high fat mischaracterization may have started because some people have not read through the entire book or listened to the web casts. He does advocate eating healthy fats.

I also think the Abbreviation LC/HF may be leading people to believe the HF stands for high fat when in fact it stands for High Fiber.

@teainlondon His diet is not an easy one to follow, but it does work. It isn't for everyone. The book itself is a good reference to own, whether you actually limit the carbs to his low amounts of 6-12-12 for a total of 30, or you modify it to suit your abilities.

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My cardiologist calls him a quack. My endocrinologists won't condone his diet...in the hospital they told me that diabetics who follow his meal plan end up in the ER. I was told by many health professionals the protein is too high causing a strain on the kidneys.

i have all his books and followed the plan to the letter. I would recommend it to no one.

Interesting @Trinity11. But why would a certified medical doctor recommend this book to his patients if what you are saying is true? I am simply curious and not looking to ague the point.

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Trinity11 — Wed, 03 May 2017 16:53:04 GMT

@SilleeMee wrote:
@Trinity11 wrote:
@CatLoverDogsToo wrote:
@Trinity11 I listen to Bernstein's monthly webcasts where he answers folks questions. He repeatedly states and emphasizes that he DOES NOT advocate a high fat diet. He advocates a Low Carbohydrate, High Protein diet. The high fat mischaracterization may have started because some people have not read through the entire book or listened to the web casts. He does advocate eating healthy fats.

I also think the Abbreviation LC/HF may be leading people to believe the HF stands for high fat when in fact it stands for High Fiber.

@teainlondon His diet is not an easy one to follow, but it does work. It isn't for everyone. The book itself is a good reference to own, whether you actually limit the carbs to his low amounts of 6-12-12 for a total of 30, or you modify it to suit your abilities.

.
My cardiologist calls him a quack. My endocrinologists won't condone his diet...in the hospital they told me that diabetics who follow his meal plan end up in the ER. I was told by many health professionals the protein is too high causing a strain on the kidneys.

i have all his books and followed the plan to the letter. I would recommend it to no one.
Interesting @Trinity11. But why would a certified medical doctor recommend this book to his patients if what you are saying is true? I am simply curious and not looking to ague the point.

@SilleeMee I have had type 1 for fifty years and been told often to eat a high protein diet with as few carbohydrates as possible. Dependent upon the doctor, they all disagree on what to eat. I had well controlled diabetes when I had a major heart attack...perfect A1C. All on Bernstein's diet...but it's unhealthy to eat so few carbohydrates ...eating protein and fat which often had me in ketosis. I learned that I was losing kidney function too. Now, of course the disease ravages anyone who has had it so long but I really wish I had adhered to a more moderate diet over the years. More vegetables, more carbohydrates and a lot less protein.

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sidsmom — Wed, 03 May 2017 17:17:40 GMT

------To create a balanced conversation-------

a low fat, plant-based approach will make your blood sugar #s

drop considerably. The culprit is the FAT, not the carbohydrate.

Dietary fat lies in the muscle cells, which prevents natural insulin

to 'open the door' for glucose to do its natural job. Therefore, any

carbohydrate you eat, it remains in the blood stream, causing high #s.

Remove the dietary fat, blood sugars drop.

The condition is called Intramyocellular Lipids.

When one has diabetes, there's no such thing as 'healthy' fat.

Fat is what's preventing the insulin from doing it's job.

MANY people who were on diabetic medication/injections for years suddenly become healthy once they adopt a Low Fat, Plant Based diet. They are no longer on medication...testing blood sugar is a thing of the past. Diabetes is no longer in their daily life.

A.n.y. Low Fat Plant Based doctor will tell you this is the route for diabetes reversal, but Dr. Neal Barnard, is the expert in the field for T2 Diabetes Reversal.

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Trinity11 — Wed, 03 May 2017 17:28:31 GMT

I suggest Dr. Bernard's "The Cheese Trap" informative and speaks to our addiction to dairy.

Another suggestion is easing into eating less meat in general. Start out with a few vegan meals...less of a shock to the psyche. I have low b12 and can't go completely vegan. I also have to restrict carbohydrates to 30 grams per meal, so I am a bit more moderate than some need to be.

I do agree, though, that the more vegetables on your plate, the healthier you will be.

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sidsmom — Wed, 03 May 2017 17:35:38 GMT

@Trinity11

Guess what's on my coffee table?

Just got it this weekend.

🙂

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Trinity11 — Wed, 03 May 2017 17:43:54 GMT

@sidsmom wrote:
@Trinity11
Guess what's on my coffee table?
Just got it this weekend.
🙂

Yes, I ordered it when you posted about it and almost finished reading it. Would you believe there is a product at Starbucks called "moon cheese"!! Crunchy pellets of cheese full of salt. Yuck! I am so addicted to cheese, this is going to be tough to stop. But I think it's as bad as steak.

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SilleeMee — Wed, 03 May 2017 18:04:01 GMT

I gave up eating cheese years ago when I found out my LDL was high. Although I loved eating it so much and find I miss it so much, too, I feel a lot better now without it. Once in a while I'll sneak a good piece of cheese. Just can't help myself.

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sidsmom — Wed, 03 May 2017 18:38:05 GMT

Cheese!

They say that's the one thing which stumbles up a vegetarian

to go vegan or plant-based...the dairy. I'll admit Cheese was the

hardest thing to give up. Even to this day, if I'm ever going off plan,

I'll do it with cheese, specifically...and I usually pay the price the

next day..lots of inflammation.

@Trinity11 Starbucks has whaaat?

@SilleeMee, that's why I wanted to give coffee for matcha...my coffee cravings are giving me 'cheese thoughts'...and now that I know I can combine both coffee & cheese at Starbucks? Wow....all the more reason to give up coffee, yes? Ha.

Apologies to the OP...don't want to take this too far off topic...=:0

"Back to Regularly Scheduled Programming"

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151949 — Wed, 03 May 2017 18:41:49 GMT

@Trinity11 wrote:
@SilleeMee wrote:
A friend of mine is in the same situation as you @teainlondon. He has high bs levels and has been advised by his doctor to watch his numbers. His doctor recommended this book so I bought it for him as a gift and my friend said it helped him learn more about diabeties and how to live with it.

Just be advised his recommendations are not in synch with The ADA. He advises a very high fat diet with extremely low levels of carbohydrates. I followed it for years and had a major heart attack last year. I was told his ketogenic diet was partially to blame.

Yes, this man is dangerous.

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SilleeMee — Wed, 03 May 2017 18:42:30 GMT

@sidsmom wrote:
Cheese!
They say that's the one thing which stumbles up a vegetarian
to go vegan or plant-based...the dairy. I'll admit Cheese was the
hardest thing to give up. Even to this day, if I'm ever going off plan,
I'll do it with cheese, specifically...and I usually pay the price the
next day..lots of inflammation.

@Trinity11 Starbucks has whaaat?
@SilleeMee, that's why I wanted to give coffee for matcha...my coffee cravings are giving me 'cheese thoughts'...and now that I know I can combine both coffee & cheese at Starbucks? Wow....all the more reason to give up coffee, yes? Ha.

Apologies to the OP...don't want to take this too far off topic...=:0
"Back to Regularly Scheduled Programming"

Matcha tea can help lower bs and hyperlipidemia! @sidsmom

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Trinity11 — Wed, 03 May 2017 18:48:25 GMT

@sidsmom wrote:
Cheese!
They say that's the one thing which stumbles up a vegetarian
to go vegan or plant-based...the dairy. I'll admit Cheese was the
hardest thing to give up. Even to this day, if I'm ever going off plan,
I'll do it with cheese, specifically...and I usually pay the price the
next day..lots of inflammation.

@Trinity11 Starbucks has whaaat?
@SilleeMee, that's why I wanted to give coffee for matcha...my coffee cravings are giving me 'cheese thoughts'...and now that I know I can combine both coffee & cheese at Starbucks? Wow....all the more reason to give up coffee, yes? Ha.

Apologies to the OP...don't want to take this too far off topic...=:0
"Back to Regularly Scheduled Programming"

Yes, MOONCHEESE, they call it. Bits of fried up cheese resembling cheese puffs. They also have a cheese platter and fruit. Yesterday they had almond milk and soy milk, though for the coffee, so that is a step in the right direction.

I had a vegetarian, meatless sandwich ......it was delicious and no cheese. I am making an effort and hope that by the end of the year, I find myself eating a lot less meat. Cheese, though, every clinician I have seen is one of the worst things for the arteries. All of them agree on that fact... and that's for everyone not just diabetics and heart patients.