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iCloud hacked

LilacTree — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:20:19 GMT

Whoever thought that was a good idea in the first place?

Re: iCloud hacked

dooBdoo — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:28:38 GMT

Hi, Ford! Steve Wozniak said quite publicly in 2012 that he didn't think so. (eta: I still have managed to stay away from using cloud services. I really don't like the concept, even though I understand its uses -- or maybe because I understand ... )

Some of his comments: "Wozniak opened up in an audience Q&A about his concerns, predicting that cloud is “going to be horrendous. I think there are going to be a lot of horrible problems in the next five years.”

Wozniak also warned that “with the cloud, you don’t own anything. You already signed it away.” Instead, he urged that more data and applications remain local. “I want to feel that I own things. A lot of people feel, ‘Oh, everything is really on my computer,’ but I say the more we transfer everything onto the web, onto the cloud, the less we’re going to have control over it.”

(I took this from Forbes, but there were multitudes of articles about his opinion. Link: http://www.forbes.com/sites/joemckendrick/2012/08/06/apple-co-founder-steve-wozniak-distrusts-the-cloud-is-he-right/)

Re: iCloud hacked

LilacTree — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:37:40 GMT

Thanks dooBdoo, I will read that article. I have never utilized any backup to the web programs. I'm sure there's stuff of mine out there, but certainly nothing I ever put there deliberately. I use Clickfree and backup about every two weeks.

Re: iCloud hacked

dooBdoo — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:43:56 GMT

On 9/2/2014 Ford1224 said:
Thanks dooBdoo, I will read that article. I have never utilized any backup to the web programs. I'm sure there's stuff of mine out there, but certainly nothing I ever put there deliberately. I use Clickfree and backup about every two weeks.

You're welcome, Ford. That's not necessarily the best or most complete article that was published upon his Q&A comments, but you can easily find more detailed discussions. What I really don't like are the attempts to force us to use the cloud. Apple has tried it a couple of times, and each time there's been a lot of push-back and they've amended their ways ... but I fear that's short-lived.

Re: iCloud hacked

LilacTree — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:47:56 GMT

On 9/2/2014 dooBdoo said:
On 9/2/2014 Ford1224 said:
Thanks dooBdoo, I will read that article. I have never utilized any backup to the web programs. I'm sure there's stuff of mine out there, but certainly nothing I ever put there deliberately. I use Clickfree and backup about every two weeks.

You're welcome, Ford. That's not necessarily the best or most complete article that was published upon his Q&A comments, but you can easily find more detailed discussions. What I really don't like are the attempts to force us to use the cloud. Apple has tried it a couple of times, and each time there's been a lot of push-back and they've amended their ways ... but I fear that's short-lived.

I've never used any Apple products and don't intend to. I don't understand why they would not listen to Steve Wozniak, of all people. I have always been happy with my PCs.

Re: iCloud hacked

dooBdoo — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:56:05 GMT

On 9/2/2014 Ford1224 said: I've never used any Apple products and don't intend to. I don't understand why they would not listen to Steve Wozniak, of all people. I have always been happy with my PCs.

I'm glad you're pleased with your PCs. However, some of that comes from being as tech-savvy as you are. They require a ton of work and diligence Apple devices don't require ... but that's another topic, for sure. I'm equally fond of my Apple products, have been for a long, long time, home office and business. I'm also equally happy we all have a choice.

Wozniak had long-since retired from Apple and wasn't a part of the iCloud development. Too bad he wasn't there, he might've talked some sense into them.

Re: iCloud hacked

LilacTree — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 19:25:06 GMT

On 9/2/2014 dooBdoo said: <blockquote class="quote_author">On 9/2/2014 Ford1224 said: I've never used any Apple products and don't intend to. I don't understand why they would not listen to Steve Wozniak, of all people. I have always been happy with my PCs.

Wozniak had long-since retired from Apple and wasn't a part of the iCloud development. Too bad he wasn't there, he might've talked some sense into them.

Well, Apple wasn't even around when I started using an IBM two floppy drives PC, where one had to insert the 5-1/4" system disk in one slot and the data disk in the other, LOL!! I admit I "grew up" with DOS and PCs, and later Windows, and never learned anything about Macintoshes when they came out.

My youngest daughter is a Mac user and she's tried over the years to convert me, but I've never taken the bait. I don't know which product is better . . . certainly the world sees Apple products as the best, so I assume they are.

As you said, it's what one is used to. I hardly ever have problems with my computers because I know the basics so well, I'm careful, I never "leave the front door open," so to speak. I admit, I do hate Windows 8 and 8.1 with a passion though, and can't wait until the next (hopefully better) version comes out.

BTW, I heard Apple isn't going to offer the iPad 9 next, but skip to a newer technology. Have you heard that?

Re: iCloud hacked

sparklestar — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 19:26:11 GMT

Another way of your every move being tracked.

Re: iCloud hacked

kzeks — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 19:56:33 GMT

On 9/2/2014 Ford1224 said:
On 9/2/2014 dooBdoo said: <blockquote class="quote_author">On 9/2/2014 Ford1224 said: I've never used any Apple products and don't intend to. I don't understand why they would not listen to Steve Wozniak, of all people. I have always been happy with my PCs.

I'm glad you're pleased with your PCs. However, some of that comes from being as tech-savvy as you are. They require a ton of work and diligence Apple devices don't require ... but that's another topic, for sure. I'm equally fond of my Apple products, have been for a long, long time, home office and business. I'm also equally happy we all have a choice.

Wozniak had long-since retired from Apple and wasn't a part of the iCloud development. Too bad he wasn't there, he might've talked some sense into them.

BTW, I heard Apple isn't going to offer the iPad 9 next, but skip to a newer technology. Have you heard that?

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Re: iCloud hacked

Mj12 — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 20:35:52 GMT

On 9/2/2014 sparklestar said:
Another way of your every move being tracked.

Who is tracking your every move? You must be extraordinarily interesting.

Re: iCloud hacked

sparklestar — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 20:38:28 GMT

On 9/2/2014 MJ 12 said:
On 9/2/2014 sparklestar said:
Another way of your every move being tracked.

Who is tracking your every move? You must be extraordinarily interesting.

Who? The government for one. It has nothing to do with whether you're interesting or not. No one is excluded.

Re: iCloud hacked

ChynnaBlue — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:10:17 GMT

On 9/2/2014 dooBdoo said:
Hi, Ford! Steve Wozniak said quite publicly in 2012 that he didn't think so. (eta: I still have managed to stay away from using cloud services. I really don't like the concept, even though I understand its uses -- or maybe because I understand ... )

Some of his comments: "Wozniak opened up in an audience Q&A about his concerns, predicting that cloud is “going to be horrendous. I think there are going to be a lot of horrible problems in the next five years.”

Wozniak also warned that “with the cloud, you don’t own anything. You already signed it away.” Instead, he urged that more data and applications remain local. “I want to feel that I own things. A lot of people feel, ‘Oh, everything is really on my computer,’ but I say the more we transfer everything onto the web, onto the cloud, the less we’re going to have control over it.”

(I took this from Forbes, but there were multitudes of articles about his opinion. Link: http://www.forbes.com/sites/joemckendrick/2012/08/06/apple-co-founder-steve-wozniak-distrusts-the-cloud-is-he-right/)

He did feel that way, I feel that way about many things, but the Millenial generation doesn't. They think everything belongs to everyone. They like open source code and they hate copyright laws. They don't own music, they own licenses to music. (As do most of us who've downloaded music onto an iPod or other MP3 player.) Many of them don't even want to own cars and prefer to ride share or use shared cars, like zip cars. They even rent their homes to people they don't know from sites like AirBnB. They do things I'm not comfortable with and people a generation before me, like the Woz, are even less comfortable with.

The whole idea of ownership is changing and has been even before the millennials. That is, in part, why some jerk felt that he (or she) could hack into celebrity accounts and steal pictures to post online. If you're a celebrity, you don't even own yourself, everyone feels entitled to know or see everything about you.

That's one reason I don't buy any of those magazines, like People or Us Weekly, etc. They all contribute to that model and anyone who buys them contributes to that model, as well.

Re: iCloud hacked

ChynnaBlue — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:15:31 GMT

On 9/2/2014 sparklestar said:
On 9/2/2014 MJ 12 said:
On 9/2/2014 sparklestar said:
Another way of your every move being tracked.

Who is tracking your every move? You must be extraordinarily interesting.

Who? The government for one. It has nothing to do with whether you're interesting or not. No one is excluded.

Just because they can doesn't mean they do. They don't have enough man power for that. They're not reading all your email (I wouldn't mind if they read mine - I certainly don't read most of it!) or all of your text messages because they can't afford that. They have programs that look for key terms and then send people in to look at anything with too many suspicious key terms.

And if you turn your GPS and phone off, they can't track you physically.

Re: iCloud hacked

hckynut — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:17:51 GMT

On 9/2/2014 Ford1224 said:
Whoever thought that was a good idea in the first place?

Unfortunately, about anything that can be transmitted via air waves/satellite/cell towers etc., at some point there is a risk of it being found by some that use their skills to do questionable or bad things.

Don't know if this is in reference to the celebrities "scantily attired pix" or not. I will say that many of the things most people use the new technology is by choice. For storing certain things I see as questionably, at best, probably should not be put in/up if not necessary.

Everyone is subject to be hacked and as the saying goes, "it may not be if, but when"!

Re: iCloud hacked

Mj12 — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:20:08 GMT

On 9/2/2014 ChynnaBlue said:
On 9/2/2014 sparklestar said:
On 9/2/2014 MJ 12 said:
On 9/2/2014 sparklestar said:
Another way of your every move being tracked.

Who is tracking your every move? You must be extraordinarily interesting.

Who? The government for one. It has nothing to do with whether you're interesting or not. No one is excluded.

Just because they can doesn't mean they do. They don't have enough man power for that. They're not reading all your email (I wouldn't mind if they read mine - I certainly don't read most of it!) or all of your text messages because they can't afford that. They have programs that look for key terms and then send people in to look at anything with too many suspicious key terms.

And if you turn your GPS and phone off, they can't track you physically.

^ this. Exactly and thank you.

Re: iCloud hacked

LilacTree — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:36:08 GMT

On 9/2/2014 hckynut said:
On 9/2/2014 Ford1224 said:
Whoever thought that was a good idea in the first place?

Unfortunately, about anything that can be transmitted via air waves/satellite/cell towers etc., at some point there is a risk of it being found by some that use their skills to do questionable or bad things.

Don't know if this is in reference to the celebrities "scantily attired pix" or not. I will say that many of the things most people use the new technology is by choice. For storing certain things I see as questionably, at best, probably should not be put in/up if not necessary.

Everyone is subject to be hacked and as the saying goes, "it may not be if, but when"!

I know this, hckynut . . . all I'm saying is why upload all of your personal data deliberately? I concede that doesn't mean one is "safe," by any means. If you're on the Internet in any capacity, you can be hacked. I'm on Facebook, AOL, and all of my banking is done online. I realize how safe that is not.

Re: iCloud hacked

Mz iMac — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:47:57 GMT

On 9/2/2014 Ford1224 said:
I'm on Facebook, AOL, and all of my banking is done online. I realize how safe that is not.

I am so cyber paranoid, that I NEVER, EVER enter personal info on my comp much less pay bills or purchase anything using a cc. I pay all my bills by money order or checks using snail mail. Banking - I walk into my bank to conduct business. The only thing I have to worry about is the bank getting robbed.

Not a member of FB either. Family & OFFLINE friends that live at a distance, we visit, call, iChat, Skype or snail mail each other.

It pays to be cyber paranoid.

Re: iCloud hacked

Kay SD — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:49:12 GMT

Apparently the hacks were the result of some celebrity passwords being guessed or stolen, not a security breach at the iCloud end. Apple took steps to further limit the number of attempts to guess a password, although it doesn't seem as if that happened in this case, either. So we can all breathe a sigh of relief. But it's still prudent to assume that anything on line can potentially be hacked someday by someone, and take reasonable precautions like using good passwords.

Re: iCloud hacked

LilacTree — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:52:07 GMT

On 9/2/2014 Mz iMac said:
On 9/2/2014 Ford1224 said:<br /> I'm on Facebook, AOL, and all of my banking is done online. I realize how safe that is not.

I am so cyber paranoid, that I NEVER, EVER enter personal info on my comp much less pay bills or purchase anything using a cc. I pay all my bills by money order or checks using snail mail. Banking - I walk into my bank to conduct business. The only thing I have to worry about is the bank getting robbed.

Not a member of FB either. Family & OFFLINE friends that live at a distance, we visit, call, iChat, Skype or snail mail each other.

It pays to be cyber paranoid.

Well, you see, I have this problem. I need a wheelchair to get around . . . including the mailbox. And I have to rely on others to wheel me around since it's not a self-propelled wheelchair.

It appears you are more fortunate.

Re: iCloud hacked

hckynut — Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:55:36 GMT

On 9/2/2014 Ford1224 said:
On 9/2/2014 hckynut said:
On 9/2/2014 Ford1224 said:
Whoever thought that was a good idea in the first place?

Unfortunately, about anything that can be transmitted via air waves/satellite/cell towers etc., at some point there is a risk of it being found by some that use their skills to do questionable or bad things.

Don't know if this is in reference to the celebrities "scantily attired pix" or not. I will say that many of the things most people use the new technology is by choice. For storing certain things I see as questionably, at best, probably should not be put in/up if not necessary.

Everyone is subject to be hacked and as the saying goes, "it may not be if, but when"!

I know this, hckynut . . . all I'm saying is why upload all of your personal data deliberately? I concede that doesn't mean one is "safe," by any means. If you're on the Internet in any capacity, you can be hacked. I'm on Facebook, AOL, and all of my banking is done online. I realize how safe that is not.

Ford1224,

I am agreeing with you.