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Help. I'm having a difficult time finding bread and anything else that does not contain soy

Kathy19078 — Fri, 16 May 2014 03:30:07 GMT

I just had a bilateral mastectomy for breast cancer on 5/5/14, and I read on the internet that soy should be eliminated from my diet because it causes your body to produce estrogen. I do still have my overies but not my utereus. My cancer was estrogen and progesterone positive and HER2 negative. It was not in my lymph nodes. I am finding it very difficult to find products that do not contain soy!!! I am going to check my local bakery as they do make bread every day and see if it has soy it. I am determined to find products without soy, and if necessary make my own bread and other products. Is anyone else having a difficult time finding products that do not contain soy?

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Clover29 — Fri, 16 May 2014 03:37:58 GMT

Can you get Dave's Killer Bread where you live? They have it on the west coast but I don't know how localized it is. It doesn't contain soy, the brand is proud to say so.

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jaxs mom — Fri, 16 May 2014 03:38:06 GMT

Well, you could bake your own.

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Kjelle — Fri, 16 May 2014 03:47:14 GMT

Kathy, very sorry to hear about your health issue and I'm glad you are a survivor. . Take a look at this Johns Hopkins article on 10 Breast Cancer myths, though and talk to your doctor before you drive yourself crazy over soy. The #1 myth is about soy. It says,

<h4>MYTH: Eating soy products after having hormone receptor positive breast cancer increases my chance of a recurrence.</h4>

FACT: Research on soy has been conflicting over the years. It has the capacity to mimic as well as block certain estrogens. Overall, natural dietary soy in the form of soy milk, soy bean sprouts, tofu or tempeh appears to be safe and may provide significant health benefits when it replaces animal sources of milk and protein. However, soy in concentrated forms such as pills, powders and supplements has the strongest potential for estrogenic activity and probably should be avoided by anyone who has been diagnosed with hormonal receptive breast cancer.

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/avon_foundation_breast_center/treatments_services/survivor_care/myths.html

So this is Johns Hopkins, not some nutty site. If you are not taking one of the concentrated forms, your doctor may say eating bread is just fine. Along with all the things you are probably doing to stay healthy, you may be able to relax and enjoy the yummy breads and leave the cardboard kind alone! Good Luck!!

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Lacey1 — Fri, 16 May 2014 13:36:31 GMT

Kathy: Another cancer patient here. I was also worried about plant hormones. I've heard conflicting reports. Here's what I do. Fermented/cooked soy is okay. I avoid raw products such as soy milk, edamame, etc. But, honestly I just try to avoid it without driving myself nuts about it. Not to mention, it's on the list of GMO foods.

I know the last thing on your list of things to do is baking bread! I got a Vitamix and starting drinking green smoothies,(a lot of Kale!). I eat a lot of organic foods.

One thing you might want to check out is broccoli sprout extract capsules. I buy it from Vitacost. I've been taking two capsules daily for past 4 years.

Also check out the Cultures for Health website. Lots of info about fermented/cultured food, probiotics, etc.

Good luck on your journey. I have said a prayer for your continued health.

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wagirl — Fri, 16 May 2014 14:45:03 GMT

I had hormone positive breast cancer 2 years ago and thought the very same thing as you with the soy products. And I have to agree with lacey 1/ kjelle on their info. I go to a regular oncologist as well as a naturopathic oncologist that both say to soy is ok if it isn't gmo or processed to the brink of being unrecognizable. Now I don't eat soy several times a day but I do eat Ezekial bread which is made from sprouted whole grains including soy but is all organic. I get it at Trader Joes for $2.99 a loaf. I don't drink soymilk or eat tofu and try to read the labels as soy is another thing that is in everything and I'm sure its not the good soy. I would have to agree that a bread machine is a good thing to have if you want truly soy free bread.

Kathy--hope you are healing well. I have been in your shoes and know what a journey this has been and will be. Have you visited the Cancer Survivors thread in the Health and Wellness board? Tons of info there from a really great bunch of ladies going thru this too. I got so much support and friendship there. Try it out.

lacey---I hope you are doing well too! This cancer business is a wild ride. I make green smoothies with lots of kale and other super greens and am convinced that help me go thru chemo easier, if there is such a thing.

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Lacey1 — Fri, 16 May 2014 15:08:41 GMT

On 5/16/2014 wagirl said:
I had hormone positive breast cancer 2 years ago and thought the very same thing as you with the soy products. And I have to agree with lacey 1/ kjelle on their info. I go to a regular oncologist as well as a naturopathic oncologist that both say to soy is ok if it isn't gmo or processed to the brink of being unrecognizable. Now I don't eat soy several times a day but I do eat Ezekial bread which is made from sprouted whole grains including soy but is all organic. I get it at Trader Joes for $2.99 a loaf. I don't drink soymilk or eat tofu and try to read the labels as soy is another thing that is in everything and I'm sure its not the good soy. I would have to agree that a bread machine is a good thing to have if you want truly soy free bread.

Kathy--hope you are healing well. I have been in your shoes and know what a journey this has been and will be. Have you visited the Cancer Survivors thread in the Health and Wellness board? Tons of info there from a really great bunch of ladies going thru this too. I got so much support and friendship there. Try it out.

lacey---I hope you are doing well too! This cancer business is a wild ride. I make green smoothies with lots of kale and other super greens and am convinced that help me go thru chemo easier, if there is such a thing.

Than you for your kind words. I know you are being proactive and doing everything right to get well. I had an abnormal mammogram/ultrasound on Monday. It was finally read as a 'Benign nodule'. Whew!!! You are right- Chemo is not for sissies!!

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willdob3 — Fri, 16 May 2014 15:20:37 GMT

Kathy, I hope you are doing well & heal quickly.

You would probably be smart to avoid all grains.

I do not buy any products containing soy or grains or sugars. I eat mostly unprocessed/low-processed foods so I avoid the unhealthy ingredients that way.

There are a lot of recipes for bread that use almond meal & coconut flour. The only one I ever make is a Jorge Cruise Skinny Muffin. I found I don't really need bread even though it was one of my main foods years ago.

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wagirl — Fri, 16 May 2014 16:49:59 GMT

On 5/16/2014 lacey1 said:
On 5/16/2014 wagirl said:
I had hormone positive breast cancer 2 years ago and thought the very same thing as you with the soy products. And I have to agree with lacey 1/ kjelle on their info. I go to a regular oncologist as well as a naturopathic oncologist that both say to soy is ok if it isn't gmo or processed to the brink of being unrecognizable. Now I don't eat soy several times a day but I do eat Ezekial bread which is made from sprouted whole grains including soy but is all organic. I get it at Trader Joes for $2.99 a loaf. I don't drink soymilk or eat tofu and try to read the labels as soy is another thing that is in everything and I'm sure its not the good soy. I would have to agree that a bread machine is a good thing to have if you want truly soy free bread.

Kathy--hope you are healing well. I have been in your shoes and know what a journey this has been and will be. Have you visited the Cancer Survivors thread in the Health and Wellness board? Tons of info there from a really great bunch of ladies going thru this too. I got so much support and friendship there. Try it out.

lacey---I hope you are doing well too! This cancer business is a wild ride. I make green smoothies with lots of kale and other super greens and am convinced that help me go thru chemo easier, if there is such a thing.

Than you for your kind words. I know you are being proactive and doing everything right to get well. I had an abnormal mammogram/ultrasound on Monday. It was finally read as a 'Benign nodule'. Whew!!! You are right- Chemo is not for sissies!!

lacey--boy I bet you feel like a ton has been lifted off your shoulders!!! And bravo to you for finding this nasty little thing and taking care of it ASAP !!!

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chickenbutt — Fri, 16 May 2014 17:30:02 GMT

Isn't that the truth! I'm another one for whom soy is a very bad choice. But I'm finding that soy is in pretty much EVERYTHING. I just try to be as careful as I can that I'm not using anything that has soy as a major ingredient and hoping for the best.

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Lacey1 — Fri, 16 May 2014 17:39:54 GMT

If anyone is interested in making an easy no-knead, no bread-machine bread-check this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK9IJia46_I&list=PLZ5FnYj-j28HPGqJ0V_PlQd7xeOP2w0I_&index=3

I'll add: The guy in the video uses a baking stone and a steam producing pan. I don't bother with that-I bake mine in a covered cast iron pot or a soaked clay baker. My way works fine and makes it a lot easier. I use organic flours. These homemade breads are great but they only last for a few days, (no preservatives!).

You use a food processor, and time. It makes a delicious loaf. The book mentioned is available on the Amazon used book sites. There are also a lot of gluten-free videos on YouTube.

Prayers for continued health and happiness to all!

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Kathy19078 — Sun, 18 May 2014 01:36:59 GMT

Khelli, thank you for the info from John Hopkins.

lacey1, thank you. I did recently buy a Vitamix and am looking for more recipes to try. I did not get the grain container.

wagirl, yes I have checked out the cancer survivors thread. It is great support.

It really annoys me that everything I pick put has some form of soy as an ingredient. Hellmans mano has it as the first ingredient. It is in Skippy peanut butter and Kraft French Dressing. I just looked through my cabinet and found those so far. My daughter did find me an organic whole wheat bread at the grocery store the other day. Of course it will only last a few days but that is okay.

Thank you to everyone else for their advice. It is appreciated.

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chrystaltree — Sun, 18 May 2014 01:50:16 GMT

Did your oncologist tell you to avoid anything with soy in it?

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ValuSkr — Sun, 18 May 2014 03:34:30 GMT

Bread contains soy?

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Tyak — Sun, 18 May 2014 16:40:17 GMT

I had the same type of bc as you and right after surgery I mentioned the soy in foods to my oncologist. She said that eaten in moderation, it's nothing to worry about. It's the soy in supplements that we should avoid.

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wagirl — Mon, 19 May 2014 03:46:18 GMT

On 5/17/2014 ValuSkr said:
Bread contains soy?

OMG--just look at the ingredients on the stuff you buy---its in everything!! Like sugar and salt----you will be amazed!!

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spenditallbaby — Mon, 19 May 2014 03:55:33 GMT

On 5/17/2014 Kathy19078 said:
Khelli, thank you for the info from John Hopkins.

lacey1, thank you. I did recently buy a Vitamix and am looking for more recipes to try. I did not get the grain container.

wagirl, yes I have checked out the cancer survivors thread. It is great support.

It really annoys me that everything I pick put has some form of soy as an ingredient. Hellmans mano has it as the first ingredient. It is in Skippy peanut butter and Kraft French Dressing. I just looked through my cabinet and found those so far. My daughter did find me an organic whole wheat bread at the grocery store the other day. Of course it will only last a few days but that is okay.

Thank you to everyone else for their advice. It is appreciated.

Hellmans mayo, Skippy peanut butter and Kraft French Dressing are extremely processed "foods" and much, much worse for you than a small amount of soy in your bread. Stay away from processed foods and concentrate on 100% real food.

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Lacey1 — Mon, 19 May 2014 12:47:37 GMT

I would like to add. If someone has endured: a frightening diagnosis, surgery, chemo, hair loss, and many other 'changes'-this might not be the time to worry about MAJOR dietary changes. My appetite was poor, I became dehydrated. My Vitamix was my best friend. Organic green smoothies. I would add whatever I felt like, ice cream, peanut butter, chocolate chips, oatmeal-plus kale, apples, carrots, celery, ginger, turmeric, broccoli. Try to choose organic, healthy items but don't stress yourself running all over, trying to find this stuff.

I thought it was ironic that they were pumping me full of really toxic chemo agents, I was getting so dehydrated that I had hematuria, but yet-I was supposed to worry about soy and processed foods.

Take care of yourself, pick your battles. When you're stronger-you can make big changes.