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TATCHA QUESTION??????? Please help.......

shrose — Tue, 07 Jan 2014 21:34:19 GMT

I received this yesterday. Are you supposed to use both products morning and night? It does not really say................

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JeanLouiseFinch — Tue, 07 Jan 2014 21:42:57 GMT

Check out the product video for directions. It's oil cleanser at night, enzyme powder in the morning.

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Teddixat — Tue, 07 Jan 2014 21:43:37 GMT

You can use both morning and night. I do. I use both with my clarisonic. I notice today that JM is offering her own version of the rice powder. Maybe a bit less expensive but I haven't paid a lot of attention to the size of her product as opposed to Tatcha. I do love the Tatcha Camelia Cleansing Oil and the Rice Powder.

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ChynnaBlue — Tue, 07 Jan 2014 21:45:47 GMT

I use the oil cleanser at night because it's good for removing makeup. You could use it both morning and night if you wanted. You can use the powder morning or night, but I would not suggest you use it for both. I only use it 1-2 times a week or it irritates my sensitive skin.

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MarenSeattle — Tue, 07 Jan 2014 23:50:10 GMT

Despite how you're *supposed* to use it, here's what I do:

1) Moosh the oil around my face concentrating on my eye makeup. (Actually, I find myself lovingly massaging it in, almost swooning! It just feels soooo good.)

2) Just a few splashes of water to turn it into that "milk", but still having an oily feeling.

3) Do the rice powder wet (per directions) and just "wash" with that.

4) DRENCH my Clarisonic in water then on the lowest setting go over my face -- I feel like I'm cleaning and kind of doing a pre-rinse.

Rinse like a fool (former Erno Laszlo devotee - at least 30 rinses).

Someone here asked Tatcha if the rice powder can be used w/Clairsonic and they recommeded against it because that might cause over-exfoliation. Well, the Clarisonic is NOT an exfoliator (as the presenter keeps stressing). The inner brushes just vibrate and the outer ones are just there to contain the splash. That being said, the bristles have GOT to exfoliate to a certain extent, so it might have bothered me if I had sensitive skin -- which I don't.

AND, I don't find the rice powder grainy at all -- it dissolves into a creamy lather. Doesn't feel any different than any of my other cleansers in that regard.

I know I'll get lots of criticism for doing it this way, but it works beautifully for me, so just sharing. Lisa R mentioned she used the products this way -- Oil, Rice Powder w/Clarisonic, and Victoria didn't clutch the pearls, so that's why I tried it. And if I were Tatcha I'd recommend the most conservative, gentle approach, too. But for those who can handle it, I recommend trying this to see if it works for you.<.p>

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cassiem — Wed, 08 Jan 2014 01:48:15 GMT

If you go to the rice enzyme powder product page at the Tatcha website and click on the FAQS link underneath the picture, you will get a wealth of information on how to use the product.

The following information is from there:

"What step in my skin care ritual is the Polishing Powder?
Use of the polishing powder is the 2nd step in your TATCHA ritual. For best results, use after removing makeup with the Camellia Cleansing Oil, then followed with the Deep Brightening serum and a Tatcha moisturizer."

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Harpa — Wed, 08 Jan 2014 01:57:22 GMT

On 1/7/2014 MarenSeattle said:
Despite how you're *supposed* to use it, here's what I do:

1) Moosh the oil around my face concentrating on my eye makeup. (Actually, I find myself lovingly massaging it in, almost swooning! It just feels soooo good.)

2) Just a few splashes of water to turn it into that "milk", but still having an oily feeling.

3) Do the rice powder wet (per directions) and just "wash" with that.

4) DRENCH my Clarisonic in water then on the lowest setting go over my face -- I feel like I'm cleaning and kind of doing a pre-rinse.

Rinse like a fool (former Erno Laszlo devotee - at least 30 rinses).

Someone here asked Tatcha if the rice powder can be used w/Clairsonic and they recommeded against it because that might cause over-exfoliation. Well, the Clarisonic is NOT an exfoliator (as the presenter keeps stressing). The inner brushes just vibrate and the outer ones are just there to contain the splash. That being said, the bristles have GOT to exfoliate to a certain extent, so it might have bothered me if I had sensitive skin -- which I don't.

AND, I don't find the rice powder grainy at all -- it dissolves into a creamy lather. Doesn't feel any different than any of my other cleansers in that regard.

I know I'll get lots of criticism for doing it this way, but it works beautifully for me, so just sharing. Lisa R mentioned she used the products this way -- Oil, Rice Powder w/Clarisonic, and Victoria didn't clutch the pearls, so that's why I tried it. And if I were Tatcha I'd recommend the most conservative, gentle approach, too. But for those who can handle it, I recommend trying this to see if it works for you.<.p>

MarenSeattle, do you also use the rice powder over your eyes? (Just curious.) (I got their samples.)

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UMDTerpFan — Wed, 08 Jan 2014 01:57:51 GMT

Do not use the enyzme powders morning and night to start! And do not use the enzyme powders with a Clairsonic to start either. You need to make sure that you do not have an allergic reaction to it or that your skin is sensitive. I'd recommend using the powder once a day for a week. If you don't have any reaction, then you can probably try it for both AM and PM washing. I do use and love the Tatcha Cleansing oil but I had a bad reaction to the enzyme cleansers but I also started out using it twice a day. My skin turned red and stung like a burn. I determined I had a reaction to either the talc or papaya enzyme in the powders. So that is why I recommend starting slow to make sure your skin can tolerate it. I wish the powders had worked for me cause it definitely did clean out my pores but my skin just could not tolerate it. And I don't have sensitive skin either. Good luck!

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HerRoyaLioness — Wed, 08 Jan 2014 01:58:38 GMT

I only use the cleansing oil (1st), and then the enzyme powder after that, at night. I follow with their creams. I use the enzyme powder about 4-5 times a week.

In the morning I just can't and don't think I need to, use the cleansing oil on my face. I use a mild facial cleanser in the shower and follow with Tatcha creams.

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MarenSeattle — Wed, 08 Jan 2014 02:48:37 GMT

On 1/7/2014 Harpa said:
On 1/7/2014 MarenSeattle said:
Despite how you're *supposed* to use it, here's what I do:

1) Moosh the oil around my face concentrating on my eye makeup. (Actually, I find myself lovingly massaging it in, almost swooning! It just feels soooo good.)

2) Just a few splashes of water to turn it into that "milk", but still having an oily feeling.

3) Do the rice powder wet (per directions) and just "wash" with that.

4) DRENCH my Clarisonic in water then on the lowest setting go over my face -- I feel like I'm cleaning and kind of doing a pre-rinse.

Rinse like a fool (former Erno Laszlo devotee - at least 30 rinses).

Someone here asked Tatcha if the rice powder can be used w/Clairsonic and they recommeded against it because that might cause over-exfoliation. Well, the Clarisonic is NOT an exfoliator (as the presenter keeps stressing). The inner brushes just vibrate and the outer ones are just there to contain the splash. That being said, the bristles have GOT to exfoliate to a certain extent, so it might have bothered me if I had sensitive skin -- which I don't.

AND, I don't find the rice powder grainy at all -- it dissolves into a creamy lather. Doesn't feel any different than any of my other cleansers in that regard.

I know I'll get lots of criticism for doing it this way, but it works beautifully for me, so just sharing. Lisa R mentioned she used the products this way -- Oil, Rice Powder w/Clarisonic, and Victoria didn't clutch the pearls, so that's why I tried it. And if I were Tatcha I'd recommend the most conservative, gentle approach, too. But for those who can handle it, I recommend trying this to see if it works for you.<.p>

MarenSeattle, do you also use the rice powder over your eyes? (Just curious.) (I got their samples.)

Harpa,; just lightly, enough to remove the oil residue (which isn't much by that point). It's so creamy, not gritty, so I feel brave enough to use it. No problem. But as I said, my skin seems to be able to withstand anything I assault it with! :-)

EDIT -- have you tried the samples yet? I'm wondering if I'm the only one who thinks the rice powder is creamy and non-gritty. Of course, mixing it with the Camellia "milk" might make the difference, too.

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MarenSeattle — Wed, 08 Jan 2014 02:57:05 GMT

On 1/7/2014 UMTerpFan said:
Do not use the enyzme powders morning and night to start! And do not use the enzyme powders with a Clairsonic to start either. You need to make sure that you do not have an allergic reaction to it or that your skin is sensitive. I'd recommend using the powder once a day for a week. If you don't have any reaction, then you can probably try it for both AM and PM washing. I do use and love the Tatcha Cleansing oil but I had a bad reaction to the enzyme cleansers but I also started out using it twice a day. My skin turned red and stung like a burn. I determined I had a reaction to either the talc or papaya enzyme in the powders. So that is why I recommend starting slow to make sure your skin can tolerate it. I wish the powders had worked for me cause it definitely did clean out my pores but my skin just could not tolerate it. And I don't have sensitive skin either. Good luck!

I've read (here) that some people do have a reaction to talc, and I know that some citrus things (is papaya a citrus?) can affect people negatively, too. So sorry to hear you reacted that way. Have you tried the Gentle rice powder? (Although I think there's talc in that, too.) I just use it at night after the oil, I've never used it alone.

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MarenSeattle — Wed, 08 Jan 2014 02:58:11 GMT

On 1/7/2014 Lannie said:
I only use the cleansing oil (1st), and then the enzyme powder after that, at night. I follow with their creams. I use the enzyme powder about 4-5 times a week.

In the morning I just can't and don't think I need to, use the cleansing oil on my face. I use a mild facial cleanser in the shower and follow with Tatcha creams.

Agree - don't feel I need it in the morning and just use whatever "regular" cleanser I feel like using that day.

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lyn in MI — Wed, 08 Jan 2014 03:45:29 GMT

On 1/7/2014 MarenSeattle said:
Harpa,; just lightly, enough to remove the oil residue (which isn't much by that point). It's so creamy, not gritty, so I feel brave enough to use it. No problem. But as I said, my skin seems to be able to withstand anything I assault it with! :-)

EDIT -- have you tried the samples yet? I'm wondering if I'm the only one who thinks the rice powder is creamy and non-gritty. Of course, mixing it with the Camellia "milk" might make the difference, too.

I agree that the texture is very creamy. That said, I do avoid my eye area as Tatcha recommends. My thinking is they advise we avoid our eye area, due to the enzymes in the formulation. They must feel the exfoliating enzymes may be too potent for the sensitive eye area of (some) users.

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MarenSeattle — Wed, 08 Jan 2014 05:47:57 GMT

On 1/7/2014 lyn in MI said:
On 1/7/2014 MarenSeattle said:
<b>Harpa,</b>; just lightly, enough to remove the oil residue (which isn't much by that point). It's so creamy, not gritty, so I feel brave enough to use it. No problem. But as I said, my skin seems to be able to withstand anything I assault it with! :-)

EDIT -- have you tried the samples yet? <b>I'm wondering if I'm the only one who thinks the rice powder is creamy and non-gritty.</b> Of course, mixing it with the Camellia "milk" might make the difference, too.

I agree that the texture is very creamy. That said, I do avoid my eye area as Tatcha recommends. My thinking is they advise we avoid our eye area, due to the enzymes in the formulation. They must feel the exfoliating enzymes may be too potent for the sensitive eye area of (some) users.

OT: I've spent the last hour or so snuggled up following Lyn Links from this board. How do you find this stuff? Thanks again for it ALL.

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veganista — Wed, 08 Jan 2014 12:31:06 GMT

Night time oil cleanser. Follow with the power. Use whatever is your Moisturizer of choice after. Mine is Kate Sommerville Deep Tissue Repair, but another wonderful one is Kate's Quench. I haven't tried any more of Tatcha's products, but I'm sure I will in the future.

You're all cleaned and exfoliated. So jump in bed and wake up experiencing how wonderful your face will feel.

Truly I get a similar feeling with Kate's Exfolkate followed by Quench.

But I like trying these new things, including Eve Lom.

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UMDTerpFan — Thu, 09 Jan 2014 00:59:17 GMT

On 1/7/2014 MarenSeattle said:
On 1/7/2014 UMTerpFan said:
Do not use the enyzme powders morning and night to start! And do not use the enzyme powders with a Clairsonic to start either. You need to make sure that you do not have an allergic reaction to it or that your skin is sensitive. I'd recommend using the powder once a day for a week. If you don't have any reaction, then you can probably try it for both AM and PM washing. I do use and love the Tatcha Cleansing oil but I had a bad reaction to the enzyme cleansers but I also started out using it twice a day. My skin turned red and stung like a burn. I determined I had a reaction to either the talc or papaya enzyme in the powders. So that is why I recommend starting slow to make sure your skin can tolerate it. I wish the powders had worked for me cause it definitely did clean out my pores but my skin just could not tolerate it. And I don't have sensitive skin either. Good luck!

I've read (here) that some people do have a reaction to talc, and I know that some citrus things (is papaya a citrus?) can affect people negatively, too. So sorry to hear you reacted that way. Have you tried the Gentle rice powder? (Although I think there's talc in that, too.) I just use it at night after the oil, I've never used it alone.

I tried all three of the enzyme powders and all three do have talc and Papaya in them. I was bummed because I really did notice it cleaning out my pores and they were smaller. But my face burned like I had a chemical burn and it took a week for it to calm down. Another user said she had to make an emergency visit to her derm and her description of her reaction sounded just like mine so I highly recommend testing and going lightly before using day and night or with a Clairsonic. My skin isn't sensitive-I can use a pretty strong retinol on it, but the Tatcha enzyme powders really caused a reaction.

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JeanLouiseFinch — Thu, 09 Jan 2014 01:03:09 GMT

On 1/8/2014 UMTerpFan said:
On 1/7/2014 MarenSeattle said:
On 1/7/2014 UMTerpFan said:
Do not use the enyzme powders morning and night to start! And do not use the enzyme powders with a Clairsonic to start either. You need to make sure that you do not have an allergic reaction to it or that your skin is sensitive. I'd recommend using the powder once a day for a week. If you don't have any reaction, then you can probably try it for both AM and PM washing. I do use and love the Tatcha Cleansing oil but I had a bad reaction to the enzyme cleansers but I also started out using it twice a day. My skin turned red and stung like a burn. I determined I had a reaction to either the talc or papaya enzyme in the powders. So that is why I recommend starting slow to make sure your skin can tolerate it. I wish the powders had worked for me cause it definitely did clean out my pores but my skin just could not tolerate it. And I don't have sensitive skin either. Good luck!

I've read (here) that some people do have a reaction to talc, and I know that some citrus things (is papaya a citrus?) can affect people negatively, too. So sorry to hear you reacted that way. Have you tried the Gentle rice powder? (Although I think there's talc in that, too.) I just use it at night after the oil, I've never used it alone.

I tried all three of the enzyme powders and all three do have talc and Papaya in them. I was bummed because I really did notice it cleaning out my pores and they were smaller. But my face burned like I had a chemical burn and it took a week for it to calm down. Another user said she had to make an emergency visit to her derm and her description of her reaction sounded just like mine so I highly recommend testing and going lightly before using day and night or with a Clairsonic. My skin isn't sensitive-I can use a pretty strong retinol on it, but the Tatcha enzyme powders really caused a reaction.

UMTerpFan - for what it's worth, there's no talc in the Fleur de Lis Rice and Papaya Enzyme Powder that I use. Admittedly, it's a little gritty, but not horrible. It's very gentle.

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Teddixat — Thu, 09 Jan 2014 04:46:39 GMT

I took time to read up on talc in cosmetics. The talc being used today for home/personal and cosmetic use does not contain asbestos and has not contained asbestos since the 1970s. I even wrote to Tatcha today and this is the response I received.

Update for Case #13434 - "Talc = First Ingredient in Rice Enzyme Powder"

Dear

Thank you so much for reaching out, and for your interest in TATCHA! We use talc simply to retain the texture of the Powder. We do a significant amount of research to ensure that our products are safe and healthy for your skin. One of our favorite resources is the Environmental Working Group, the following is a link to their page on talc (http://www.ewg.org/skindeep/ingredient/706427/TALC/).

There are many misconceptions around the safety of talc used today, particularly concerning asbestos. Please rest assured that there are no carcinogens nor asbestos in the talc that we use, nor has there been for about thirty years. For more information on cancer and talc, you can visit the American Cancer Society's website here (http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/athome/talcum-powder-and-cancer).

If I can assist you with anything else, please let me know!

Have a beautiful day,

Kelly

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cantdrive55 — Thu, 09 Jan 2014 05:19:19 GMT

Thanks, lousgirl84. I appreciate your post and the links, interesting reading.

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UMDTerpFan — Thu, 09 Jan 2014 06:01:36 GMT

On 1/8/2014 JeanLouiseFinch said:
On 1/8/2014 UMTerpFan said:
On 1/7/2014 MarenSeattle said:
On 1/7/2014 UMTerpFan said:
Do not use the enyzme powders morning and night to start! And do not use the enzyme powders with a Clairsonic to start either. You need to make sure that you do not have an allergic reaction to it or that your skin is sensitive. I'd recommend using the powder once a day for a week. If you don't have any reaction, then you can probably try it for both AM and PM washing. I do use and love the Tatcha Cleansing oil but I had a bad reaction to the enzyme cleansers but I also started out using it twice a day. My skin turned red and stung like a burn. I determined I had a reaction to either the talc or papaya enzyme in the powders. So that is why I recommend starting slow to make sure your skin can tolerate it. I wish the powders had worked for me cause it definitely did clean out my pores but my skin just could not tolerate it. And I don't have sensitive skin either. Good luck!

I've read (here) that some people do have a reaction to talc, and I know that some citrus things (is papaya a citrus?) can affect people negatively, too. So sorry to hear you reacted that way. Have you tried the Gentle rice powder? (Although I think there's talc in that, too.) I just use it at night after the oil, I've never used it alone.

I tried all three of the enzyme powders and all three do have talc and Papaya in them. I was bummed because I really did notice it cleaning out my pores and they were smaller. But my face burned like I had a chemical burn and it took a week for it to calm down. Another user said she had to make an emergency visit to her derm and her description of her reaction sounded just like mine so I highly recommend testing and going lightly before using day and night or with a Clairsonic. My skin isn't sensitive-I can use a pretty strong retinol on it, but the Tatcha enzyme powders really caused a reaction.

UMTerpFan - for what it's worth, there's no talc in the Fleur de Lis Rice and Papaya Enzyme Powder that I use. Admittedly, it's a little gritty, but not horrible. It's very gentle.

Thanks JLF, I did order the Fleur de Lis and it's nice. A different texture than Tatcha, it doesn't suds up and isn't creamy like Tatcha but is a decent dupe. I'm still on the hunt for my HG cleanser though .