topic Re: Sunday Riley in Beauty

Sunday Riley

Judaline — Mon, 01 May 2023 13:56:31 GMT

I bought a small sample kit from ebay-been using for a few days. Wouldn't you know I like them all?? Retinol oil (it's blue) I really like. The good genes is a nice base serum but not sure what it does. The vitamin C is reeely nice. No reaction to it. The moisturizer in a blue jar is light and very nice but I don't need a new moisturizer. SO! Since a little does NOT go a long way with all of these products minus the retinol oil, and since they are costly, I need to know one thing. Are they anti-aging? Anyone know their history? Or are they too new to say?

Re: Sunday Riley

JeanLouiseFinch — Mon, 01 May 2023 14:37:48 GMT

I'm not sure, @Judaline, but I have little respect or trust for the brand or the owner. She was caught writing fake product reviews, having employees create fake accounts and write glowing product reviews, having them dislike negative reviews, etc. This went on for a period of two yesrs.

Re: Sunday Riley

phoenixbrd — Mon, 01 May 2023 14:50:16 GMT

@JeanLouiseFinch Thanks for this information. It does influence my consideration for purchasing a product.

Re: Sunday Riley

Judaline — Mon, 01 May 2023 15:05:02 GMT

@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:
I'm not sure, @Judaline, but I have little respect or trust for the brand or the owner. She was caught writing fake product reviews, having employees create fake accounts and write glowing product reviews, having them dislike negative reviews, etc. This went on for a period of two yesrs.

Yes, I remember hearing that. Then I heard it wasn't true. Who knows. I wouldn't think that QVC would have her products if it was true. Or Lisa Rinna's for that matter. So I'll give this person the benefit of the doubt and maybe get the retinol oil. It contains retinoate. Supposedly better than retinol and close to retin A which I can't use. HSN has free shipping and flex pay so that's where I'll get it. But I wanted to know if it's anti aging.

I read this if there's anyone who can't tolerate Retin A like me:

Bottom line

Retinyl retinoate is a promising new retinoid precursors and vitamin A derivative. It may approach retinoic acid (a.k.a. tretinoin, Retin-A) in effectiveness yet produce far less irritation. It may also be more stable than comparable retinoid precusror and vitamin A derivatives, such as retinol and retinaldehyde. Thus retinyl retinoate may possess the best features of retinoids and retinoid precursors all in itself. Unfortunately, all the research on retinyl retinoate appears to come from the same source, which makes it much harder to rely on the findings, however encouraging they may seem. Before retinyl retinoate can be recognized as an established and possibly superior skin care agent, its benefits need to be proven in studies conducted by other independent teams of researchers.

Re: Sunday Riley

sunshine45 — Mon, 01 May 2023 15:12:16 GMT

i have no idea if they are considered "anti-aging" or not, but i REALLY like this brand more and more as i am using it. my particular favorites are the CEO C serum, the GOOD GENES serum, ceramic slip cleanser,and the auto correct eye cream. my daughter must like some of the products also because everytime she comes home i see some products missing from my cabinet and storage cases. LOL

Re: Sunday Riley

JeanLouiseFinch — Mon, 01 May 2023 15:16:43 GMT

@Judaline wrote:
@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:
I'm not sure, @Judaline, but I have little respect or trust for the brand or the owner. She was caught writing fake product reviews, having employees create fake accounts and write glowing product reviews, having them dislike negative reviews, etc. This went on for a period of two yesrs.
Yes, I remember hearing that. Then I heard it wasn't true. Who knows. I wouldn't think that QVC would have her products if it was true. Or Lisa Rinna's for that matter. So I'll give this person the benefit of the doubt and maybe get the retinol oil. It contains retinoate. Supposedly better than retinol and close to retin A which I can't use. HSN has free shipping and flex pay so that's where I'll get it. But I wanted to know if it's anti aging.

I read this if there's anyone who can't tolerate Retin A like me:

Bottom line

Retinyl retinoate is a promising new retinoid precursors and vitamin A derivative. It may approach retinoic acid (a.k.a. tretinoin, Retin-A) in effectiveness yet produce far less irritation. It may also be more stable than comparable retinoid precusror and vitamin A derivatives, such as retinol and retinaldehyde. Thus retinyl retinoate may possess the best features of retinoids and retinoid precursors all in itself. Unfortunately, all the research on retinyl retinoate appears to come from the same source, which makes it much harder to rely on the findings, however encouraging they may seem. Before retinyl retinoate can be recognized as an established and possibly superior skin care agent, its benefits need to be proven in studies conducted by other independent teams of researchers.

The FTC got involved and there was a settlement. That doesn't happen when someone is innocent.

Re: Sunday Riley

FiddleDeeDee — Mon, 01 May 2023 15:48:59 GMT

@Judaline Her products are good. They deliver and many love them.

As for the owner and what she did: all true. To the point that some individuals had to retain lawyers to protect themselves from her. One of those individuals was a family member of mine who discussed it on her blog. A well-known beauty forum also discussed it in detail as a member was a Sunday Riley employee who was one of many who wrote the fake reviews. I was a member of that forum and contributed to the conversation/thread. She reached out to my family member who had a blog and well, they were just a few who aired the news. Sunday Riley never apologized for her actions, for her business tactics or for attacking those who brought it to light. No way will I support an individual who runs a business like that.

As for QVC/HSN selling her product: Nordstrom simply pulled the reviews. They didn't go after her. Sunday Riley didn't go after Nordstrom for pulling them: so both companies won, if you will. Though numerous threats were made, Sunday Riley did not follow through with them (at least not with any of the individuals I personally know) and it quietly went away which is what she wanted all along. Except for those of us who make in known on threads such as these or those who read about/heard about it when it actually happened, consumers purchase without knowing. QVC simply takes their money and orders more product from her.

Edited for naming the wrong retailer. This occured during her FIRST line of products; Sephora didn't carry her line then, Nordstrom did. My apologies for looking at my Sephora order and typing their name by accident. Sephora was NOT part of this situation.

Re: Sunday Riley

Judaline — Mon, 01 May 2023 22:56:17 GMT

@FiddleDeeDee wrote:
@Judaline Her products are good. They deliver and many love them.

As for the owner and what she did: all true. To the point that some individuals had to retain lawyers to protect themselves from her. One of those individuals was a family member of mine who discussed it on her blog. A well-known beauty forum also discussed it in detail as a member was a Sunday Riley employee who was one of many who wrote the fake reviews. I was a member of that forum and contributed to the conversation/thread. She reached out to my family member who had a blog and well, they were just a few who aired the news. Sunday Riley never apologized for her actions, for her business tactics or for attacking those who brought it to light. No way will I support an individual who runs a business like that.

As for QVC/HSN selling her product: Sephora simply pulled the reviews. They didn't go after her. Sunday Riley didn't go after Sephora for pulling them: so both companies won, if you will. Though numerous threats were made, Sunday Riley did not follow through with them (at least not with any of the individuals I personally know) and it quietly went away which is what she wanted all along. Except for those of us who make in known on threads such as these or those who read about/heard about it when it actually happened, consumers purchase without knowing. QVC simply takes their money and orders more product from her.

Yes, it's all about the money. It always is. As for SR, not the kind of person I would trust. Pretty despicable, actually. I appreciate knowing about the real person behind the product. How sad.

Re: Sunday Riley

FiddleDeeDee — Mon, 01 May 2023 16:03:31 GMT

@Judaline SR produced an amazing line of skincare AND cosmetics; they were ahead of their time due to being clean and her aesthetic. I found them via Barney's and when the line was picked up by Nordstrom, her sales skyrocketd. Sadly, greed took over (is what I and many believe). She also went into major debt and expanded too quickly; it was a mess. I used her line exclusively for many years. I wrote on my family members' blog regarding her products because of how they delivered with my uber pale and sensitive skin. When SR would send her products to try, she would ship them to me so I could try them as well. I wrote reviews on Nordstrom as well as on that well-known forum about her products. All were positive except one because it didn't do what it said it would do.

I knew something was up when I went to re-purchase some and they were sold out. A long chat with my SA was how I discovered that products were no longer being replenished, she was removing her cosmetic line (THAT was a bombshell because her cosmetics were FABULOUS) and that there were some serious issues about fraud circulating. I reached out to other SA's I knew around the US and more and more info came to light. I called my family member who began doing some research and reported on the shortage of products, the cosmetics being discontinued and discussions would pop up on the blog about it.

When the thread on the other forum started, it was about not being about to find the foundation everyone loved. It was a post under that topic where the SR employee told his/her story and I commented how I had been told that as well. 24 hours later there were some VERY angry and threatening remarks about what was said; they also appeared on my family members' blog. I was PM by the person on the forum and in the end, they went and contacted and then posted on the blog. It went downhill from there. The forum deleted all the threads about SR but my reviews stayed (because they were positive).

Other than Good Genes, none of her original products are now sold. Many of us have our own theory as to why but it doesn't matter. Knowing what we know about the owner, we have no desire to support her.

Re: Sunday Riley

Judaline — Mon, 01 May 2023 17:55:39 GMT

@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:
@Judaline wrote:
@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:
I'm not sure, @Judaline, but I have little respect or trust for the brand or the owner. She was caught writing fake product reviews, having employees create fake accounts and write glowing product reviews, having them dislike negative reviews, etc. This went on for a period of two yesrs.
Yes, I remember hearing that. Then I heard it wasn't true. Who knows. I wouldn't think that QVC would have her products if it was true. Or Lisa Rinna's for that matter. So I'll give this person the benefit of the doubt and maybe get the retinol oil. It contains retinoate. Supposedly better than retinol and close to retin A which I can't use. HSN has free shipping and flex pay so that's where I'll get it. But I wanted to know if it's anti aging.

I read this if there's anyone who can't tolerate Retin A like me:

Bottom line

Retinyl retinoate is a promising new retinoid precursors and vitamin A derivative. It may approach retinoic acid (a.k.a. tretinoin, Retin-A) in effectiveness yet produce far less irritation. It may also be more stable than comparable retinoid precusror and vitamin A derivatives, such as retinol and retinaldehyde. Thus retinyl retinoate may possess the best features of retinoids and retinoid precursors all in itself. Unfortunately, all the research on retinyl retinoate appears to come from the same source, which makes it much harder to rely on the findings, however encouraging they may seem. Before retinyl retinoate can be recognized as an established and possibly superior skin care agent, its benefits need to be proven in studies conducted by other independent teams of researchers.
The FTC got involved and there was a settlement. That doesn't happen when someone is innocent.

Wow. Guess it doesn't bother the Q.

Re: Sunday Riley

Shaunac — Tue, 02 May 2023 13:42:48 GMT

@Judaline wrote:
@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:
@Judaline wrote:
@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:
I'm not sure, @Judaline, but I have little respect or trust for the brand or the owner. She was caught writing fake product reviews, having employees create fake accounts and write glowing product reviews, having them dislike negative reviews, etc. This went on for a period of two yesrs.
Yes, I remember hearing that. Then I heard it wasn't true. Who knows. I wouldn't think that QVC would have her products if it was true. Or Lisa Rinna's for that matter. So I'll give this person the benefit of the doubt and maybe get the retinol oil. It contains retinoate. Supposedly better than retinol and close to retin A which I can't use. HSN has free shipping and flex pay so that's where I'll get it. But I wanted to know if it's anti aging.

I read this if there's anyone who can't tolerate Retin A like me:

Bottom line

Retinyl retinoate is a promising new retinoid precursors and vitamin A derivative. It may approach retinoic acid (a.k.a. tretinoin, Retin-A) in effectiveness yet produce far less irritation. It may also be more stable than comparable retinoid precusror and vitamin A derivatives, such as retinol and retinaldehyde. Thus retinyl retinoate may possess the best features of retinoids and retinoid precursors all in itself. Unfortunately, all the research on retinyl retinoate appears to come from the same source, which makes it much harder to rely on the findings, however encouraging they may seem. Before retinyl retinoate can be recognized as an established and possibly superior skin care agent, its benefits need to be proven in studies conducted by other independent teams of researchers.
The FTC got involved and there was a settlement. That doesn't happen when someone is innocent.
Wow. Guess it doesn't bother the Q.

Why would it? It's all about money. Has nothing to do with integrity.

Re: Sunday Riley

SilleeMee — Tue, 02 May 2023 14:01:37 GMT

@Judaline wrote:
I bought a small sample kit from ebay-been using for a few days. Wouldn't you know I like them all?? Retinol oil (it's blue) I really like. The good genes is a nice base serum but not sure what it does. The vitamin C is reeely nice. No reaction to it. The moisturizer in a blue jar is light and very nice but I don't need a new moisturizer. SO! Since a little does NOT go a long way with all of these products minus the retinol oil, and since they are costly, I need to know one thing. Are they anti-aging? Anyone know their history? Or are they too new to say?

'Anti-aging' refers mostly to products which make you appear younger. Most any moisturizer can do that. Science-based tretinoin is the only official wrinkle-reducing and anti-aging product currently holding the gold standard. All other creams, lotions, serums and potions are products which give results based on clinical findings rather than facts and that can be very objective.

Re: Sunday Riley

Judaline — Wed, 03 May 2023 12:43:06 GMT

@SilleeMee wrote:
@Judaline wrote:
I bought a small sample kit from ebay-been using for a few days. Wouldn't you know I like them all?? Retinol oil (it's blue) I really like. The good genes is a nice base serum but not sure what it does. The vitamin C is reeely nice. No reaction to it. The moisturizer in a blue jar is light and very nice but I don't need a new moisturizer. SO! Since a little does NOT go a long way with all of these products minus the retinol oil, and since they are costly, I need to know one thing. Are they anti-aging? Anyone know their history? Or are they too new to say?

'Anti-aging' refers mostly to products which make you appear younger. Most any moisturizer can do that. Science-based tretinoin is the only official wrinkle-reducing and anti-aging product currently holding the gold standard. All other creams, lotions, serums and potions are products which give results based on clinical findings rather than facts and that can be very objective.

Oh, I must be really dumb. I thought anti-aging meant it would KEEP your face from aging. hahaha No wonder nothing has worked!

Re: Sunday Riley

scatcat — Wed, 03 May 2023 13:08:55 GMT

I have used a lot of skin care, including prescription, and SR is probably my overall favorite.

Re: Sunday Riley

SilleeMee — Wed, 03 May 2023 13:11:51 GMT

@Judaline wrote:
Oh, I must be really dumb. I thought anti-aging meant it would KEEP your face from aging. hahaha No wonder nothing has worked!

@Judaline

'Anti-aging' could mean that, too. But nothing keeps any part of you from aging really, does it? Maybe slows down the effects of aging. Exercising regularly can help you stay younger looking, too, b/c it helps shuts down the aging process in our chromosomes (mitochondria)...the root of all aging.

Re: Sunday Riley

nyc1 — Wed, 03 May 2023 13:26:59 GMT

@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:
I'm not sure, @Judaline, but I have little respect or trust for the brand or the owner. She was caught writing fake product reviews, having employees create fake accounts and write glowing product reviews, having them dislike negative reviews, etc. This went on for a period of two yesrs.

I will NOT purchase this line because of this.. I have no idea if others do it, but since we know she did, not buying!!!!

Re: Sunday Riley

Judaline — Fri, 05 May 2023 15:20:45 GMT

As I said, I bought a small kit on ebay to try her stuff. I loved the blue oil retinol. Now it's about a week and my chin is peeling, JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH RETIN-A!!!! This is why I don't use Retin-A. It must be very strong and has made my face look nice until today. But it has things in it to keep from these side effects and is supposed to be very mild. I guess this is why people just use it every other day.

Re: Sunday Riley

depglass — Fri, 05 May 2023 15:50:28 GMT

I will not consider using because some morning kit I saw had 7 or 8 items in it. No way am I spending the time to use all these products at once. And the fact she is very unethical seals the non-deal for me.

Re: Sunday Riley

MeemaJoan — Sun, 07 May 2023 15:54:19 GMT

Months ago I bought a kit of Sunday Riley products and all items were full size. There were several products I wanted to try so it was a good price for these items. I will not be purchasing any of these items again. I prefer a light weight Vitamin C serum not a creamy one like Sunday Riley has. I do not feel the retinol serum does anything. Good Genes is okay but again I prefer lactic acid in a watery form that sinks into the skin. My friend who bought this kit at the same time enjoys these products. Everyone has their own opinions so that is why there are so many products we can choose from.

Re: Sunday Riley

CANDLEQUEEN — Thu, 11 May 2023 20:28:00 GMT

I received a sample kit of 5 products in my Macy's Beauty Bag this month. I have been using this and only this for a week, and I must say I like the products. I don't know if I will re-purchase after reading about what she did however...

It's really too bad because I do really like what I have been using!!!