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WESTMAN ATILIER

Shanus — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 13:22:56 GMT

I received a PR package of these products months ago and more products were available at the DC conference/workshop I attended in May (see my DC post).

I have revamped my makeup to include these cruelty free products and I can review them as perfect for a light, natural look...my preferece for myself and clients.

For a full, accurate review, see Michelle Wong on YT (June 1st video).

I'd be happy to answer questions for anyone wanting to try this line.

Definitely two thumbs up from me for all products.

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curlygirl13 — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 14:18:25 GMT

This is one of my favorite lines!!! I love the lit up and the blushes!! A little pricey but worth it and the packaging is really nice

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depglass — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 14:20:31 GMT

How much testing is necessary to see how new foundations photograph? Or isn't that a problem anymore?

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Shanus — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 14:28:33 GMT

@depglass wrote:
How much testing is necessary to see how new foundations photograph? Or isn't that a problem anymore?

@depglass I'm not sure I know what you mean by "testing" and "photograph".

The only issues I have with foundations not photographing well (bridal or editorial photographs) is if the foundation has sunscreen. In those incidences, I don't use foundations with SPF.

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Shanus — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 14:34:44 GMT

@curlygirl13 wrote:
This is one of my favorite lines!!! I love the lit up and the blushes!! A little pricey but worth it and the packaging is really nice

@curlygirl13 It's definitely a pricey line, but using the foundation sticks for months, I've barely made a dent in them. If they last as long as it seems to be, they will be less expensive than the Bobbi Brown sticks I've used for decades.

I love the blush Petal, for me. Lit up is a good primer where you'd like a little more shine under the foundation sticks.

I also use BB Vitamin Enriched Face Base as my moisturizer. All BB moisturizers are also primers. The sticks do not contain silicones, so these products help the sticks go on more smoothly and I find I need less foundation.

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Dusty1 — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 14:35:45 GMT

@Shanus What foundations do you typically use on brides & how many shades do you need to keep in your kit to cover the range of skin tones?

The same question about concealers. What concealer do you like & how many colors do you need to carry in your kit?

Do you use a different foundation for editorial looks or the same foundation as you would use on brides?

Do you ever have clients contact you after your application that have had reactions to any of the makeup? Has there ever been a product that you had to quit using because of people having reactions?

Do you use the same products on men as women or do you find that different products work better for one or the other?

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depglass — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 14:51:09 GMT

Shanus, that's exactly what I was talking about, the bridal photos. And you answered with the sunscreen explanation.

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Shanus — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 15:00:28 GMT

@Dusty1 wrote:
@Shanus What foundations do you typically use on brides & how many shades do you need to keep in your kit to cover the range of skin tones?
The same question about concealers. What concealer do you like & how many colors do you need to carry in your kit?
Do you use a different foundation for editorial looks or the same foundation as you would use on brides?
Do you ever have clients contact you after your application that have had reactions to any of the makeup? Has there ever been a product that you had to quit using because of people having reactions?
Do you use the same products on men as women or do you find that different products work better for one or the other?

@Dusty1 Whoa, a lot of questions. I need to "stock" various foundations in a wide range of shades, but am able to mix and match them (and concealers) fairly well, so I don't need to purchase every shade in every product or line.

Reactions? When a client comes in, the first questions I ask is if they have allergies or reactions to any ingredients in primers or skincare or makeup. Most of the time, they prefer mineral or chemical spf and are reactive to silicones.

For brides and editorial work, I always use a foundation that does not have sunscreen because it will have flash back in photographs. I tend to use BB Foundation Sticks which used to have sunscreen, but were reformulated years ago to eliminate spf.

My concealers/correctors of choice are by Bobbi Brown because of the huge shade range. The same with the Serum foundation and the Skin Weightless foundation (but both have SPF). I like the EL Double wear because it's medium to full coverage, but I can "cut it" to sheer by adding moisturizer. I also keep a shade range of Lancome Tient Idole sticks and foundation. I also try to use concealers within the same line as foundations because the formulations seem to go well together...color and texture.

Men? I have very few male cients unless it's just touch up with bronzer on the groom to try to match the bride who has self-tanned. In the past, doing some editorial work, male clients requested undereye concealers and bronzer. Doing too much on men mostly looks fake (ie. conturing, blush, etc.) Eye makeup only exits as a bit of liner and a lash curler.

Products in office are more extensive than what I can manage to carry to a wedding. Since the bride and her bridal party have already come in for their "trial appt.", I can pare down the kit to those products used, but do ask them to let me know if they've self tanned, need extra concealer than what we did in office, etc.

I hope I answered most of your questions. Let me know if you'd like more clarification.

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cindyNC — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 18:08:12 GMT

I have never worn a foundation due to my allergies and roscea. My face is more pink toned and my neck more yellow toned.

Just got on the email list for this line of cosmetics after seeing the brow makeup. Thanks for the thumbs up for this line!

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Dusty1 — Sun, 05 Jun 2022 00:40:17 GMT

@Shanus If you don't want to answer the questions, it's okay. Just say "No thanks.".

So you "stock" BB, Lancome & EL foundations & concealers? How many formulas & colors of each do you keep in stock?

Do you keep the foundations/concelers in the original containers or do palettes?

Is their a line that you thing works best for deeper skintones, or have all of them added enough ranges in shade to be usuable.

Since I have gotten totally off the original topic.

What line do you use for blush, eye shadow & mascara?

And, can you tell us what colors you keep using because they work on certain skintones?

Like using color A on a lot of fair toned people. Color B on medium, color C on olive skins, color D on deep skins?

What brand of false eyelashes do you like to use?

Have you ever done an Indian wedding party? They really like makeup!

Makeup on men looks fake?

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Shanus — Mon, 06 Jun 2022 00:45:30 GMT

@Dusty1 Some shades in lines of foundation do a better job for dark or light skin tones. I usually never use one shade on a face since no face is all one color. IMO, Bobbi Brown has the largest and most accurate range of shades. I tend to use those the most....sticks, liquids, etc. I can have 2 lights, 2 mediums and 2 deeper tones and mix from from that. I use alighter tone for the conter of the face and a 1/2 shade deeper around the perimeter of the face. This keeps it from looking flat.

I do keep most foundations and concealers in their original containers except for BB which offers a pro palette and comes with all shades of stick foundation in one palette and one that has concealers and correctors. I can refill the pots/sections from sticks or pots I have in stock.

Blush: I have Tarte, Nars, BB, etc. There are many and I keep them by tone, not brand. It's easier to find a lighter pink/coral for fair skins or a darker rose tone for deeper skins. There are no rules since deep skin colors can be warm or cool and the same for fair and medium skin tones. Sometimes I use a cream blush and set it with a similar powder blush.

My office has various shadow palettes and they greatly vary depending on what I see and like to add. The usuals are Smashbox, Naked palettes...Viseart and Sydney Grace are favorites because they pop out or can be purchased separately and then put in a magnetic palette.

Most makeup in all categories are higher end, not drugstore because that's what a client expects from a professional. I do, however, use drugstore mascaras since I give the client the one I use for them to keep. They can't be sanitized. False lashes are Ardell cut to fit or ABH has nice ones.

I did have one Indian client, but it was difficult to please her Mom and she ended up doing her own bridal makeup. I was co-ordinating her blush/lipstick with her gorgeous dress, a fushia/gold print, but her mother thought that was too bright. The bride loved the look, but the mom was a difficult lady to please. It's an assumption to say "they love makeup". Some of their bridal or makeup done professionally makeup is their traditional "look", especially eyes lined with dark kohl, but not all Indian women dress in their tradional attire...some do wear white and the usual bride's makeup.

I do brides, women who want to learn new techniques, teens brought in by Moms for beginner lessons, women with scars or large areas of discoloration who want to learn to cover them.

I'm trying to scale back to appts. on certain days so I have free days to paint or make jewelry.

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FiddleDeeDee — Mon, 06 Jun 2022 14:54:36 GMT

Love this company and the products. I own everything, lol.

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curlygirl13 — Fri, 10 Jun 2022 12:57:48 GMT

@Shanus I don't use her foundation. Personally, I find it drying. I use Ilia serum foundation which is hydrating, light coverage and just a beautiful, natural finish!

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Shanus — Fri, 10 Jun 2022 15:04:08 GMT

@curlygirl13 wrote:
@Shanus I don't use her foundation. Personally, I find it drying. I use Ilia serum foundation which is hydrating, light coverage and just a beautiful, natural finish!

@curlygirl13 After my skincare and spf, I apply BB Vitamin Enriched Face Base (which is a moisturizer andprimer). This adds slip and a more sheer coverage with her foundation sticks.

Haven't tried Ilia serum foundation. Will check it out.