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Hair disaster!

Grouchomarx — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 15:33:42 GMT

Recently I received a new haircare kit from HSN made by Carol's daughter. It's called goddess strenght and it's for weak hair. It has a shampoo, conditioner (which I have not tried yet), a leave in cream (which I have tried, and liked) and a scalp/hair oil which I tried for the first time yestereday. And OMG what a disaster! I followed the instructions and must have used 5000 times more than they intended. My hair rapidly develped grease slicks in the areas I applied to my scalp. It was running down my face. It was so greasy I couldn not believe it! I tried mopping it up with tissues, a towel, dry shampoo, to no avail. My hair looked wet all day and night. I didn't want to shower again so I put up with it. I slept with a turbie twist on my head to protect the linens. When I woke up this morning and took it off I looked like I had been caught up in the Exxon Valdez oil spill. My partner took a look and me and said, your hair looks great! Took two shampoos to get it out. Anyone else has ordered this kit and knows how to use the oil? I have never looked so bad in my life as I did yesterday!

Re: Hair disaster!

Mz iMac — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 15:45:28 GMT

"It has a shampoo, conditioner (which I have not tried yet)"

"I followed the instructions"

Apparently you didn't. You left out the 2 key ingredients.

Re: Hair disaster!

MoonieBaby — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 15:48:57 GMT

@Grouchomarx

I have not used this particular product, but have had success with a boatload of her other things.

Lisa Price has a facebook page, perhaps you can reach out to her and ask for the best process to gain the results you desire.

She loves to inform folks and I'm sure she can steer you in the right direction.

Good luck, and hey - just an fyi - I've worn coconut oil slicked in my locks and gone to work with my hair soaked with it.

I just wide combed it all back into a low bun and carried on as though - 'YEA' - I wanted it to look that way!

I looked silly - but I owned it! *wink*.

Re: Hair disaster!

SeaMaiden — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 16:06:44 GMT

@Grouchomarx This is how I use hair oils....

put a few drops... say 5 into the palm of your hand and rub your hands together to evenly distirbute the oil on your hands...

It really depends on the length and the type of hair you have as to how may drops you need... curly hair needs more than fine hair... short hair less than long hair etc... it might take a few attempts as to how many drops is the right amount of oil for your hair.

Then, run your fingers through your hair out to the ends.. I have long hair..so I run it though my hair while bending over.. and twist my hair and bring the oil to the ends..

Do not concentrate on the scalp.... as you brush your hair the oil will distribute more evenly to the scalp. And if you put too much on the scalp it will look greasy.

Hope this helps some!

Re: Hair disaster!

Grouchomarx — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 16:08:20 GMT

@SeaMaiden wrote:
@Grouchomarx This is how I use hair oils....

put a few drops... say 5 into the palm of your hand and rub your hands together to evenly distirbute the oil on your hands...

It really depends on the length and the type of hair you have as to how may drops you need... curly hair needs more than fine hair... short hair less than long hair etc... it might take a few attempts as to how many drops is the right amount of oil for your hair.

Then, run your fingers through your hair out to the ends.. I have long hair..so I run it though my hair while bending over.. and twist my hair and bring the oil to the ends..

Do not concentrate on the scalp.... as you brush your hair the oil will distribute more evenly to the scalp. And if you put too much on the scalp it will look greasy.

Hope this helps some!

Thank you that is so helpful! I will try again tomorrow since I don't have to go anywhere in public.

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Still Raining — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 16:54:51 GMT

Not specific to this kit, but when I use oil it is just dabs. I just put rosehip on my face and rubbed the residual bit in the hair.

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CamilleP — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:14:39 GMT

I have not used that particular brand, but I do use WEN oils regularly. What you need to find out is if this oil is to be used, i.e. designed/intended for the hair or for the scalp.

The oil I use is for my scalp, so I apply it to my scalp, and leave it for several hours, but I do it on a Saturday when I know I'm in for the rest of the day. The oil starts on my scalp, that's where I apply it and rub it in, but it does slowly run down my hair shafts, so my hair looks greasy, and I don't care, I want my scalp saturated with it.

If the oil you used was intended to treat your hair, then it sounds like you just used too much, and the poster who mentioned rubbing a small amount of oil on her palms and then distributing it through her long hair gave you a good tip on how to get a glossy shine from hair oil without getting a grease slick. It all depends on whether the oil is supposed to be used on the scalp to treat it, or on the hair as a glossing treatment.

Re: Hair disaster!

Grouchomarx — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:18:27 GMT

@CamilleP wrote:
I have not used that particular brand, but I do use WEN oils regularly. What you need to find out is if this oil is to be used, i.e. designed/intended for the hair or for the scalp.

The oil I use is for my scalp, so I apply it to my scalp, and leave it for several hours, but I do it on a Saturday when I know I'm in for the rest of the day. The oil starts on my scalp, that's where I apply it and rub it in, but it does slowly run down my hair shafts, so my hair looks greasy, and I don't care, I want my scalp saturated with it.

If the oil you used was intended to treat your hair, then it sounds like you just used too much, and the poster who mentioned rubbing a small amount of oil on her palms and then distributing it through her long hair gave you a good tip on how to get a glossy shine from hair oil without getting a grease slick. It all depends on whether the oil is supposed to be used on the scalp to treat it, or on the hair as a glossing treatment.

It's called a "scalp and hair oil". It said to use the pointy applicator tip to apply to the scalp, then rub it in. Guess I just need to dial the dosage way back.

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CamilleP — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:39:54 GMT

If it's for the scalp, then you are probably destined to be greasy after use. I use WEN tea tree oil to promote hair growth, so I use several droppers of it, applied with the dropper in lines across my whole scalp and then rub it in with my fingertips. Over the hours, though, it does creep down the hair shaft, so I look greasy. That's why I use it on the weekend when I am in for the day. If you don't want to look greasy, you'll have to use a

lot less of it and only on the mid-shaft to ends of your hair, not the scalp. Oil on the scalp will always make your hair look greasy, there is just no way around it, no matter how little you apply, I'm afraid. Good luck, I hope you find a way to use this oil that benefits your hair!

Re: Hair disaster!

Shanus — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:02:24 GMT

@Grouchomarx Unless mistaken, the Carol's Daughter line is for very thick, dry, curly hair. If you don't fall into that category, these are not the correct products for you. May I ask were you looking for a hair oil? A new S&C to try?

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Grouchomarx — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 20:59:44 GMT

@Shanus wrote:
@Grouchomarx Unless mistaken, the Carol's Daughter line is for very thick, dry, curly hair. If you don't fall into that category, these are not the correct products for you. May I ask were you looking for a hair oil? A new S&C to try?

I have been using the monoi line for years. It really helped my broken hair. Lately my hair has been disastrously breaking, thinning and damaged. No idea why. So I was hoping this collection might be even more helpful than regular monoi. I have tried a lot of things, nothing is helping. Could be stress or the way I sleep. I use lots of oil based hair products and I like them. I guess they are not pure oil like this one is. I think I thought it would be more serum like.

Re: Hair disaster!

Shanus — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:05:23 GMT

@Grouchomarx wrote:
@Shanus wrote:
@Grouchomarx Unless mistaken, the Carol's Daughter line is for very thick, dry, curly hair. If you don't fall into that category, these are not the correct products for you. May I ask were you looking for a hair oil? A new S&C to try?
I have been using the monoi line for years. It really helped my broken hair. Lately my hair has been disastrously breaking, thinning and damaged. No idea why. So I was hoping this collection might be even more helpful than regular monoi. I have tried a lot of things, nothing is helping. Could be stress or the way I sleep. I use lots of oil based hair products and I like them. I guess they are not pure oil like this one is. I think I thought it would be more serum like.

@Grouchomarx Sometimes using oils and then not clarifying your scalp causes the follicles to clog, hair can't grow...

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tsavorite — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:57:31 GMT

I can't use any "hair oils" on my scalp...one drop maybe on the ends of my hair at most. If you only use it at bedtime and shower it gone the next day perhaps that would work better for your hair type.

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CamilleP — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 01:22:57 GMT

@Grouchomarx if your hair is breaking even more than normal, perhaps it is time for a visit to your doctor? Re: sleeping, do you have a silk or satin pillowcase? I've found that really does help reduce frizziness and breakage. Another question, do you heat-style your hair? If so, do you use a heat protectant product before heat is applied? Heat is a real hair killer without protective products. Another thought on breakage, are you using a shampoo or conditioner with alot of protein in it? That often leads to dry, brittle hair, unless you also do a lot of moisturizing as well. Hoping to help...

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Grouchomarx — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 01:28:43 GMT

@CamilleP wrote:
@Grouchomarx if your hair is breaking even more than normal, perhaps it is time for a visit to your doctor? Re: sleeping, do you have a silk or satin pillowcase? I've found that really does help reduce frizziness and breakage. Another question, do you heat-style your hair? If so, do you use a heat protectant product before heat is applied? Heat is a real hair killer without protective products. Another thought on breakage, are you using a shampoo or conditioner with alot of protein in it? That often leads to dry, brittle hair, unless you also do a lot of moisturizing as well. Hoping to help...

Yes my hair has been breaking more than usual for about 4 months. Perhaps I should see a doctor, but times are not really right for that....I have tried both silk and satin pillowcases, they did not help the situatuon. I do use sulfate free anti breakage shampoo and conditioner as well as anti breakage spray and other things that are meant to help with this problem before styling. I do blow out most days but it's only about 10 minutes and I've always done that my whole adult life without this type of issue. Needless to say I'm going nuts! I'm starting to think perhaps it's age related and maybe menopause is approaching. I know a lot of crazy stuff can go down when that starts. Thank you trying to help me! You're so kind.

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CamilleP — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 04:48:13 GMT

@Grouchomarx, I agree, it's not a good time to see a doctor unless it's really an emergency. Re: menopause, what one normally sees is a thinning as the hair follicles stop growing hairs, not breakage. It helps to recognize that hair, itself, is dead protein once it leaves the hair follicle, only the follicle itself gets blood supply and thus nutrition from the body. So what is breaking now was living tissue months ago, with hair growing, on average, about half an inch per month. If your hair is breaking off at about a uniform point away from your scalp, then you can estimate how long ago it was "new" and see if you can corrolate that to a particular health issue like a fever or something that happened at about that time. That would have made the "new" hair growing at that point in time a little weaker than normal, making it break easier. If your hair is breaking off at all different points, then it's a more generalized issue that needs addressing.

If that's the case, then I would suggest treating your scalp and your hair with different products. You probably need oils on your scalp, but a moisturizing mask product on the hair itself. And you really need to find a heat protectant product to use on your wet hair before you blow it out. What your hair could handle earlier in your life may be too much for it now, so heat protection is now a neccessity, where it might not have been in years past.

I will be honest and say that I, personally, have the best hair of my life now, in my early 60's, due wholly and totally to using WEN products. I have more hair on my scalp from tea tree oil, my hair is strong and silky due to cleansing conditioner and weekly re-moist masks, and I can blow dry or use curling irons without damage. In the last year I've done two perms, two color treatments, and a color removal treatment without my hair suffering a bit of damage. I have virtually no split ends, and my hair is shiny and silky. Not every product works for every person, but if you haven't tried WEN products, I can wholeheartedly recommend them. The ladies on the WEN forum will be glad to help you get started with the line.

Re: Hair disaster!

Shanus — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 14:19:44 GMT

@Grouchomarx No one's mentioned if your diet has changed, feeling well otherwise or unusually stressed. All can lead to hair loss. If you're feeling tired, experienced weight gain or loss while not eating differently, you may need to have your thyroid checked. Your doc should also check hormone levels.

Unless you're having to to do conference meetings on Skype, I'd skip the heat styling completely and don't use the oils that may be building up on your scalp. Use a clarifying shampoo once a week and deep condition every week (sometimes I sleep w/ mine on...towel on pillowcase).

This is the perfect time to do everything you can to get your hair as healthy as possible. When you can see your doctor, have tests run if you're still noticing a lot of hair loss. Some shedding, by the way, is normal.

Re: Hair disaster!

Trinity11 — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:01:50 GMT

Methylisothiazolinone (MIT) and Methylchloroisothiazolinone (CMIT) are ingredients that can cause breakage or at least it seemed that way for me. They are used as alternative preservatives for many products where they leave out parabens. I had a lot of breakage until I checked every product I used and eliminated them. Even the hand soap I was using made my skin red and irritated that had it in.

I went to the derm and found this out. She said she has seen more and more contact dermatitis and hair issues with her patients since it is now widely used in hair care products...even laundry detergents.

Hope that helps @Grouchomarx . Sometimes solving a puzzle can be difficult as so many ingredients in things we can be sensitized to.

Re: Hair disaster!

BarbiHollywood — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:26:06 GMT

I averted a hair disaster this morning.

Bought a box of Clairol Age Defy permanent color in Medium Golden Brown. Figured the color was right because that's the color I buy in the Clairol Root Touch Up. Anyway, my plan was to do my roots then drag it through to my ends for the last five minutes. I've used box color before even though I've had my hair professionally colored and highlighted for the past few years.

Anyway.

Washed my hair last night to get all product out so fresh color could "take." Without my reading glasses on, I mixed the color into the bottle and began putting it on my roots. I thought the color looked verrrry orange but kept going. Once the roots were covered, I sat down and began watching the clock. After only maybe 7 minutes or so, I saw a tube on the bathroom counter that didn't look familiar. It was a pre-color Serum that I was supposed to put on my dry hair before putting the color on. Ohhh, no, I completely missed an important step. As I debated with myself whether to just keep going or rinse it out and call it a day, I erred on the side of caution and hopped in the shower to get the color out. Good thing I did. The color looks verrrrrrry, umm, brassy. Can I live with it? Yeah. Do I like it? No. But I learned a few lessons. Always read the instructions, never do this again, and only let the pros mess with color!!!

Re: Hair disaster!

depglass — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:56:06 GMT

I have not used this product. I will say I use a pea sized amount or the equivalent if an oil. I rub it all over my hands, both palms and backs, coating all the fingers. Then I run fingers through my hair, all strands will be coated and your hands will be pretty well cleaned off.