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Wen Question

jenms40 — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 15:28:15 GMT

I have tried Wen in the past and was never really wowed by it. I was looking at the today's special and the chart underneath with how many pumps should be used. So my issue might have been I wasn't using enough becuase I wasn't using close to that much. I have very thick course curly hair and I read that someone with curly hair should use his 613 line. Anyway my question is, do you use the same number of pumps with 613 as with the Wen seasonals and classics? Thanks

Re: Wen Question

riley1 — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 16:24:04 GMT

@jenms40 - There is a Wen section under My Favorite Brand where the gals are so helpful.

In the meantime, I will page @Hedge to help you as I believe she uses 613 regularly.

Re: Wen Question

Alison Wonderland — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 16:40:27 GMT

@jenms40 wrote:
I have tried Wen in the past and was never really wowed by it. I was looking at the today's special and the chart underneath with how many pumps should be used. So my issue might have been I wasn't using enough becuase I wasn't using close to that much. I have very thick course curly hair and I read that someone with curly hair should use his 613 line. Anyway my question is, do you use the same number of pumps with 613 as with the Wen seasonals and classics? Thanks

The amount of product I used didn't change by formula, but the amount of water added did. The seasonals and 613 are much thicker than the original formulas and need more water added to distribute through the hair.

I found that the seasonals had too much protein and were too strongly scented for me. I have fine hair and loose curls and my favorite WEN formula was the Fig, with Tea Tree as the next. They were the only ones that left my hair feeling moisturized and not dry. 613 was a great one for me, but I used it as a treatment 2x a month so I didn't get too much protein. I absolutely loved it for that. Some people are able to use it more often.

Re: Wen Question

jenms40 — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 18:04:05 GMT

I'm sorry if this is something I should know but how do you know your hair is getting too much protein?

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x Hedge — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 19:07:15 GMT

@jenms40 wrote:
I'm sorry if this is something I should know but how do you know your hair is getting too much protein?

Hi.

Finding the right balance in protein vs moisture can be challenging.

Too much protein will make your hair feel dry. Some people reports feeling little balls/knots of protein forming near the ends of their hair when there's too much.

Too much moisture will make your hair limp, too soft, almost mushy feeling when it's wet, as the excessive moisture breaks the hair's protein bonds.

Re: Wen Question

x Hedge — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 20:22:06 GMT

@jenms40 wrote:
I have tried Wen in the past and was never really wowed by it. I was looking at the today's special and the chart underneath with how many pumps should be used. So my issue might have been I wasn't using enough becuase I wasn't using close to that much. I have very thick course curly hair and I read that someone with curly hair should use his 613 line. Anyway my question is, do you use the same number of pumps with 613 as with the Wen seasonals and classics? Thanks

Bad results using WEN is 99.9%likely due to not enough WEN and/or not enough water.

Forget counting pumps!

To eliminate the confusion, Chaz switched from counting pumps to just eyeballing a golfball sized amount.

Mine needs roughly 5 to 6 golfballs, three the first cleanse and three the second.

I pump this out ahead of time into two little cups, and pre-whip them with water so they spread easily through my dense hair.

Rinses out more easily when done, too.

This isn't a co-wash.

That "add a splash of water" shouldn't be taken literally.

My hair is long, coarse, and textured with curls & kinks. I can't even spread WEN across my scalp and down my sopping wet hair unless I pre-mix it with about 4 oz of hot water. This gives me the 'spreadability' I need

Once it's in my hair I add another 4oz (or more) to work it up into a frothy, foamy, drippy cleanse.

Rinse and repeat with the 2nd cleanse.

Take your time. Let the hair drink in the Wenny richness.

Curls need a lot of moisture, but don't always need 613.

613 is as rich and moisture giving as a Remoist treatment, but it also adds protein which you may not need.

Customize the amount of protein by mixing 613 with other formulas that have less.

To add moisture without adding that much protein, go for Classic Fig.

Re: Wen Question

jenms40 — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 22:15:21 GMT

How much do you use for a leave in? I see the chart says 6 to 8 pumps for course hair, I assume thats the 16oz right? Thank you for your help.

Re: Wen Question

x Hedge — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 23:39:32 GMT

Personally, for leave in I like 2 full pumps (quart size) of Cleansing Conditioner plus 1squirt of treatment oil.

An equal size amount of Remoist plus the oil.

Picture it like this:

The water in your hair escorts the leave-in treatment and moisture into your hair.

If your hair isn't wet enough, your leave in will dry onto the outside of the hair shaft rather than being escorted inside.

If that happens your finished dried hair will feel acky-dirty, because, yeah, your dried leave-in is coating the outside of it, and not absorbed into it.

(See...im explaining how some of those negative reviews happen.)

Re: Wen Question

PatriciaG — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 23:49:52 GMT

Wow - seems like so much trouble to wash hair. Pumps vs golf balls vs how much water to add.

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Anonymous032819 — Wed, 04 Dec 2019 01:39:29 GMT

@PatriciaG wrote:
Wow - seems like so much trouble to wash hair. Pumps vs golf balls vs how much water to add.

I agree.

Hair washing shouldn't be a science experiment where one has to find out via trial and error to find out what works.

First wash 2 pumps of scent 1 & 5 pumps of scent 2.

Second wash 1 pump of scent 3 & 4 pumps of scent 4.

Leave in - 1/2 pump of scent 5.

In order to figure out what works, one needs to buy all of the scents.

Slick there Chaz.

Very, very slick.

Re: Wen Question

tsavorite — Wed, 04 Dec 2019 01:57:39 GMT

The amount of product to wash is what gets me....I remember long ago trying this line....used a few different ones Lisa Roberston used to praise for her thin hair. My hair came out fine....lot's of rubbing over and over...rinsing and rinsing and then a pump back in. So much product is needed to do the job....and all that rubbing...I had more hair coming out from all the rubbing.

Everytime he is on....I think maybe this new formula is different and I should try it again. Then I think do I have the patience to do that in the shower for all that time? I doubt it....heck I don't even shave my legs in the shower cause it takes so long and wastes so much water!

The bottles and names of them are so pretty...and sure all the models professionally styled hair/freshly color treated too looks very healthy and nice. Who doesn't want their hair to look like that?

Seems like a great deal for the 3 bottles....wish you didn't need to use so much...golf ball sized amounts? 3 per wash...that's a ton of product in my mind. I have thinner hair that is naturally curly...I tried the Fig long ago and that made my scalp oily and my curls dry. Sweet Almond Mint did nothing for my hair and then I tried Tea Tree cause Lisa was using that WAY back then too....and again that burning scalp thing with that one...big disappointment for me.

But I admit I am tempted to try these and see....if only you didn't need so much product.

Re: Wen Question

Drythe — Wed, 04 Dec 2019 02:08:41 GMT

@jenms40

Long term WEN user here. Past chin length, fine, but thick, straight, hair.

My leave in is about 1/2 teaspoon on all but the 1 inch of hair closest to scalp.

Re: Wen Question

CamilleP — Wed, 04 Dec 2019 02:18:49 GMT

Tsavorite, it sounds to me as if you were using too much cleansing conditioner and not enough water. I have fine, shoulder-length hair that has a perm in it. I use four pumps for the first cleanse and four pumps for the second, usually tea tree for the first and a seasonal for the second. That's about one golf ball sized amount for each cleanse, far less than what Chaz would recommend for my length. But I have very fine hair, and I use enough water to work the cleanser all the way through it and make it frothy and creamy, that way it rinses easier, too, using less water. You just need to experiment to find the amount of cleanser and water that works for you, so you don't wind up breaking all your hair off rubbing too thick a mix over your scalp.

For me, given my family history, I would probably be wearing a wig by now due to being rather bald on top, but because of WEN cleansing conditioner and treatment oil on my scalp, I have a lush, full head of fine hair that I can get permed or colored if I want, heat style if I want, or tie it back or put it in a bun, whatever suits my mood any given day. I am very grateful to Chaz Dean, and will keep using his products until the day I die, if I am given any choice in the matter!

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tsavorite — Wed, 04 Dec 2019 02:27:37 GMT

@CamilleP Which seasonals in this TSV would be best for my hair type? I know I can't do florals....anything like that scent wise will give me a headache!

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CamilleP — Wed, 04 Dec 2019 02:39:56 GMT

Tsavorite, it isn't the texture (fine) so much as the moisture and protein your hair might need. My fine hair doesn't need much protein, so I don't use 319/613 at all any more. With the perm, my hair loves lots of moisture, so I love the Fall Ginger Pumpkin from the Fall collection. My allergy to the honey complex means I can't use most of the newest seasonals, but before that allergy developed I got the absolute best result from Summer Honey Peach. Since you don't like floral scents, you should avoid the Spring collection, but I think you would love both the Fall and Summer collections. the fruity scents are just yummy! My favorites are two of the Winter, one Spring, and one Fall formula, but that's due to my honey allergy. I am sure you'd love the Winter formulas, too, but they may not be quite as moisturizing as you'd like. I would honestly suggest that you try all three of the collections that don't have florals in them, since the price is so incredibly good, then, going forward, you can find out which work best for you, and can concentrate on them. If you don't want to go all in, then either the Fall or Summer collections will be your best bets, just pick the three scents you think you'll like best.