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When is Philosophy going to...................

Katcat1 — Sat, 22 Sep 2018 03:27:00 GMT

come into the 21st century? No sulfates!!! My body skin was getting so dry from your body washes that I had to stop using. You would think in this day and age, the body washes would be sulfate free. I have a product now that is sulfate free and very sudsy. Anyone else experience dryness?

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lkat — Sat, 22 Sep 2018 04:00:26 GMT

I used to really enjoy their body washes. Now I hate them. I ordered two different scents this summer and ended up throwing both of them away because they made my skin extremely dry (and I don't have dry skin). Both of the scents are ones that I've ordered in the past and didn't have a problem with. Not sure what they've done, but I will never order another Philosphy product.

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Sweet_Serenity — Sat, 22 Sep 2018 07:04:26 GMT

@Katcat1

I stopped using Philosophy years ago. Fragrance in their skin care.

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just bee — Sat, 22 Sep 2018 07:30:33 GMT

@Katcat1 wrote:
come into the 21st century? No sulfates!!! My body skin was getting so dry from your body washes that I had to stop using. You would think in this day and age, the body washes would be sulfate free. I have a product now that is sulfate free and very sudsy. Anyone else experience dryness?

@Katcat1

I can't remember if I've asked you this, but have you tried Acure's body washes? If you have, what are your thoughts?

And I also have to ask: What the h_ll is going on with their website? The Acure site was supposed to be back on the 14th, then the 21st and now it's the 28th.

Is this a redesign or a security breach?

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Sweetbay magnolia — Sat, 22 Sep 2018 09:40:06 GMT

No problem here. I absolutely adore them. I've never had sensitive skin.

I just read Paula's Choice's treatise on sulfates. I don't see them going away in Philosophy, anytime soon.

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jackthebear — Sat, 22 Sep 2018 12:04:45 GMT

sulfates don't bother me,

there must be tons of alternatives out there,

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Katcat1 — Sat, 22 Sep 2018 16:44:42 GMT

@just bee I was told by email that they were changing their body lotions and the new ones would launch in the fall. I wonder if they were sold but I don't know how you find out. I did notice on another site that they started to change their packaging on certain items again. I wonder when they earlier changed their packaging if there was a problem. Let's face it, God only knows. Target carries their products online and in store. I am now using Shikai body wash which is a Non soap, oatmeal based body wash.

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Jacie — Sat, 22 Sep 2018 16:48:15 GMT

Gave up on the company years ago after it was sold.

Scents didn't last and the ingredients were cheaper.

Seems like they went downhill when they sold their "soul". Ms. Carlino was not my cup of tea, but I believe the company had more integrity prior to the sale to Coty.

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just bee — Sat, 22 Sep 2018 16:58:58 GMT

@Katcat1 wrote:
@just bee I was told by email that they were changing their body lotions and the new ones would launch in the fall. I wonder if they were sold but I don't know how you find out. I did notice on another site that they started to change their packaging on certain items again. I wonder when they earlier changed their packaging if there was a problem. Let's face it, God only knows. Target carries their products online and in store. I am now using Shikai body wash which is a Non soap, oatmeal based body wash.

@Katcat1

I never saw the point of the packaging change. I'm fond of the pear & fig conditioner but it's a chore to get it out of those new bottles.

A website redesign shouldn't take this long. And it shouldn't shut down the site. This has been dragging on for weeks.

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HB glamma — Sat, 22 Sep 2018 17:37:01 GMT

@Katcat
Does Trader Joe’s still carry the Shikai shower gels? I used to get there for great prices
It’s a fabulous body wash! You’re right, no dry skin @ using :-)

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Porcelain — Sat, 22 Sep 2018 17:46:21 GMT

Sulfates are the cheapest detergents out there. If a company can get away with using them they will. The profit margin is so much better. Such companies simply do not care that they are not good for the skin.

And when your skin shrivels and dries out from the body wash, they'll happily sell you a waxy siliconey moisturizer you can put on top of it to make you think your skin is okay.

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dimplesnwinks — Sat, 22 Sep 2018 21:23:16 GMT

I just cancelled all of my autoships for Philosophy. I looked on EWG's Skin Deep Cosmetics Database and most of the products I was using were rated 4-7, mostly 6 & 7. I want to use products with less toxicity. I am primarily a Pure Grace person as I couldn't handle the other scents (too strong) and I used to get a lot of compliments on it, but no longer. I originated my one autoship for Pure Grace shower gel, lotion & body spray in 2010 ... 8 years ago. I wish they would take some of the harsher ingredients out of their products. I'd come back to the brand if they did.

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Daysdee — Sat, 22 Sep 2018 22:52:45 GMT

I'm very disappointed in the Philosophy fragrances now. I'm starting over with fragrances and gave many away. I did keep almost all of the Philosophy and have several unopened I will use, but don't plan to buy more. I will use the shower gels, but not buy as much. I also like Perlier and Korres. Since Philosophy was sold the quality is not the same.

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Katcat1 — Sun, 23 Sep 2018 01:06:17 GMT

@Daysdee I started purchasing a couple new fragrances. One is by Laura Mercier and I bought it with Reward monies. It is a Eau de Parum and I am receiving many compliments on it. It is very different from other fragrances I own but very inviting. I am waiting to receive the other one that is a rollerball for my purse and is Armani's Si perfume.

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Shanus — Sun, 23 Sep 2018 03:30:57 GMT

@Katcat1 wrote:
come into the 21st century? No sulfates!!! My body skin was getting so dry from your body washes that I had to stop using. You would think in this day and age, the body washes would be sulfate free. I have a product now that is sulfate free and very sudsy. Anyone else experience dryness?

@Katcat1 ITA. It’s more than strange that a skincare company not only still puts sulfates in products, but then also says it’s safe and “wonderful” as a shampoo. Everyone knows, I hope, that besides being drying, sulfates fade color treated hair. The last time I checked ingredients, Hope In A Jar still contained parabens. Both of these findings turned me off of Philosophy.

Re: Philosophy Bath Gels. The dry skin is why it’s often sold in a duo w/ the body emulsion.

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Laserbeam1 — Sun, 23 Sep 2018 06:23:03 GMT

I was using Philosophy also as a body wash & was shocked when reading the ingredients list and saw sodium Laureth sulfate which is so drying for your skin so I stopped ordering it!!!!

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just bee — Sun, 23 Sep 2018 20:17:24 GMT

@HB glamma wrote:
@Katcat
Does Trader Joe’s still carry the Shikai shower gels? I used to get there for great prices
@It’s a fabulous body wash! You’re right, no dry skin @ using :-)

@HB glamma

@Katcat1

Funny you mention this. I noticed ShiKai products are 20% off this week at Sprouts. When I finish all the old philosophy and Bath & Body Works washes I have left, I'll be in the market for a replacement.

I see ShiKai makes a vanilla shower gel...

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SurferWife — Sun, 23 Sep 2018 20:28:00 GMT

When I’m in doubt about a beauty product ingredient I often turn to Beautypedia for guidance. I’m not saying it is the only source for beauty product ingredients; however, it is a respected source.

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sulfates

Rating: GOOD
Categories: Cleansing Agents

In cosmetics, this large group of ingredients is used mainly as cleansing agents in skincare and hair-care products; they include sodium lauryl sulfate, ammonium lauryl sulfate, and sodium laureth sulfate. Many consumers are concerned of sulfates in their cosmetics products because of widespread misinformation. Sulfates are not a problem, but once organizations and companies build up fears among consumers about certain cosmetics ingredients there’s almost no going back, the damage is done.

In reality there’s absolutely no research showing that sulfates are a problem in skincare or hair-care products, other than causing sensitivity, but that is also true for the sulfate-free cleansing agents that some cosmetics companies advertise and sell. And, whether or not a cleansing agent will cause sensitivity depends on the amount of sulfate and on other ingredients present in a specific formula.

Following are some of the most typical unsupported comments about sulfates: “Sulfate-free shampoos and cleansers are better for hair and skin.” No research has shown that to be even remotely the case. Sulfates are supposed to be terribly drying and damaging to hair, when in fact they function no differently from the cleansing agents in sulfate-free shampoos. Almost every company that touts the fact that they don’t contain sulfates do use detergent cleansing agents such as sodium lauryl sulfoacetate, disodium laureth sulfosuccinate, sodium lauroyl sarcosinate, cocamidopropyl hydroxysultaine, sodium cocoyl isethionate, cocamidopropylamine oxide, and sodium methyl 2-sulfolaurate.

Why those are supposedly any better for skin is never explained, and no research is ever cited—because none exists. Sometimes these companies list those ingredients as being derived from or coming from coconut to make them sound natural and, by association, better for skin—but they all end up being primarily synthetic. That doesn’t make them bad in any way; it’s just that the claims are completely disingenuous. What you need to know is that both the sulfate-free cleansing agents and the sulfate versions can be drying and sensitizing depending on the formulation and/or your skin’s own reaction. All of these cleansing agents remove oil and the gunk from styling products, which is exactly what a shampoo should do.

“Sulfates in cleansers are cheap.” This one is true, but so what? Lots of ingredients, both natural and synthetic, are cheap, others are expensive, which has absolutely nothing to do with quality or efficacy. The first ingredient in sulfate-free shampoos is water (about 90% water) and no other cosmetic ingredient is cheaper than that!

“Sulfates are used in floor cleaners and are corrosive.” This can be true, when used in large amounts and when left on surfaces over time, but so what? Salt is used to melt ice on the roadway, but it also rusts cars, which doesn’t make salt bad; it just depends on how much you use and how long you leave it on something. This is also true for the alternative sulfate-free shampoos and cleansers as well; they can also be corrosive over time depending on how much is used and how long it is left on.

“Sulfates can be sensitizing.” This can absolutely be true, but again, so what? As a general category, sulfates are not sensitizing when used in appropriate amounts in shampoos and cleansers and the same is true for sulfate-free alternative cleansing agents. All of the research about sulfates being sensitizing are from patch tests where a concentration is left on skin under a bandage for 24 hours, which is not how a cleanser or shampoo is used. Sodium lauryl sulfate is considered one of the more sensitizing cleansing agents and we recommend avoiding it when it is high up on the ingredient list, but that’s NOT because it’s a sulfate; rather, it’s because of its interaction with skin.