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ANTI-AGING MEMO DID NOT GET TO Q

Shanus — Tue, 03 Oct 2017 12:28:13 GMT

I watched a few beauty shows recorded over the last several days. There are many new moisturizers (IT’s new “Secret Sauce”...name turns me off) and other products promising anti-aging properties.

Magazines articles lately have discussed the movement away from anti-aging promotions and more towards good skin care in general.

According to most derms and plastic surgeons, who are not pitching their own lines of skincare, sunscreen, Retin A, Vit. C serum and a good moisturizer/eye cream are the necessary products that lead to good skin as we get older. Most of the “anti-aging ingredients” are not only hype, but raise the price of the product. There are no magic firming & lifting creams that turn back the clock.

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Trix — Tue, 03 Oct 2017 13:12:50 GMT

The presentations and ads for these alledged turn back the clock products are very hypnotic, but I think if pressed many of us who patronize these "miracles" would admit they are mostly fluff and no one really experiences the significant changes promoted. While my dermatologist will inject and peel anyone who is willing to pay for it, he too would say a person can retain a nice complexion well into their senior years with a steady regimen of an exfoliator, cleanser, moisturizer, and most important -- sunscreen.

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SilleeMee — Tue, 03 Oct 2017 13:31:52 GMT

The only thing that lifts the skin is a knife or a laser. But as far as making my skin look younger, I would have to say it's the Retin-A for sure...and my dermaroller.

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software — Tue, 03 Oct 2017 13:55:44 GMT

You don't start when you are 50 or 60 after the damage is done.

If the push for good skin care is now the new "normal", it needs to be pushed at all ages, not just the older ladies, like myself.

I've also read that "anti-aging" is not politically correct.

So let's see if it's about semantics or if there is a new change coming.

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2blonde — Tue, 03 Oct 2017 14:50:02 GMT

Yes, I have to chuckle when I see those before and after pictures. They obviously mess with the lighting, the positioning of the face, and the before picture is probably right after the poor woman woke up with 4 hours of sleep!

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Shanus — Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:13:50 GMT

@2blonde wrote:
Yes, I have to chuckle when I see those before and after pictures. They obviously mess with the lighting, the positioning of the face, and the before picture is probably right after the poor woman woke up with 4 hours of sleep!

@2blonde I also doubt the “studies”. 99% of how many women found their skin more hydrated...99% of 25 women or 99% of 250 women?

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febe1 — Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:22:39 GMT

Anti-aging creams are being purchased and made for the younger woman of perhaps 35 and up, not the mature older women who have already aged.

Anti-aging creams are just a way to make more money.

Retin A is the only science approved skin help. And it doesn't lift. What gravity has done cannot be picked up and put back in place. But that doesn't mean you can't have beautiful skin and excellent skin care for all women. The young woman thinks she's staving off wrinkles. She may, but she will never be able to counteract gravity. We all will fall. The only difference is how much. The fatter your face, the more there is to fall. The thinner face, less to fall. One will have more jowls than the other.

If you want lifting, see your plastic surgeon.

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SilleeMee — Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:24:22 GMT

I remember in school, my statistics class and how the numbers can be manipulated to make the results appear 'favorable' for practically anything. They can be so deceiving.

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MoJoV — Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:43:34 GMT

That is just silly when they say 99% of women found their skin more hydrated after using whatever creme. Of course they did! Put ANY creme on your skin and it will feel more hydrated. Then they go on with the bs of tightening skin removing sagging and wrinkling. Most of them shilling for the products are highly nipped and tucked. Whatever.

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Phantom41 — Tue, 03 Oct 2017 17:01:45 GMT

According to Dr. Dray, who I really like and follow on YouTube, there's no such thing as anti-aging. Sunscreen and retin a are the best. I still fall for it though!

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Tinkrbl44 — Tue, 03 Oct 2017 17:13:22 GMT

I think they got the memo, read it, and tossed in the circular file.

Anti aging is a CATEGORY of skin care. Too many women abused their skin when they were young and thought they'd have great skin forever, and are now scrambling to fix the damage they did, and plain old moisturizers won't do what they want.

As one woman who was interviewed after some minor plastic surgery put it so succintly:

"I don't want to look YOUNGER ..... I just don't want to look any OLDER".

I think she makes a good point.

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Desi — Wed, 04 Oct 2017 03:30:01 GMT

If only four active ingredients work, it severely limits how many products can be pushed at us, even if every line offers something with them. No profit in that, better to peddle hope!

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Shanus — Wed, 04 Oct 2017 13:50:13 GMT

@febe1 wrote:
Anti-aging creams are being purchased and made for the younger woman of perhaps 35 and up, not the mature older women who have already aged.
Anti-aging creams are just a way to make more money.
Retin A is the only science approved skin help. And it doesn't lift. What gravity has done cannot be picked up and put back in place. But that doesn't mean you can't have beautiful skin and excellent skin care for all women. The young woman thinks she's staving off wrinkles. She may, but she will never be able to counteract gravity. We all will fall. The only difference is how much. The fatter your face, the more there is to fall. The thinner face, less to fall. One will have more jowls than the other.
If you want lifting, see your plastic surgeon.

@febe1 ITA. The younger women live in fear of aging and will purchase anything that seems promising.

I began my very strict skincare regimen at 35 and started my daughter seriously caring for her fair skin at 13. Now 69, I can truly go makeup free...no spots, very few wrinkles, little sagging and no dullness. I think besides the 30+ yrs. of Retin A, etc. staying the same weight instead of yo yo dieting plays an important part in sagging. If your face keep keeps inflating & deflating, the delicate skin stretches & sagging occurs. Good nutrition and exercise are also important.

Except for the fact that my white skin would frighten people except on Oct. 31st (😜), I could go makeup free, so all my efforts have paid off. This includes visits to the derm for deep cleaning facials every 3-4 months and bleaching creams, the OBAJI system I do once a year. You get the skin you want if you care for it.

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Shanus — Wed, 04 Oct 2017 13:54:58 GMT

@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
I think they got the memo, read it, and tossed in the circular file.

Anti aging is a CATEGORY of skin care. Too many women abused their skin when they were young and thought they'd have great skin forever, and are now scrambling to fix the damage they did, and plain old moisturizers won't do what they want.

As one woman who was interviewed after some minor plastic surgery put it so succintly:

"I don't want to look YOUNGER ..... I just don't want to look any OLDER".

I think she makes a good point.

@Tinkrbl44. Plastic surgery may pull the skin tighter, but does absolutely nothing for wrinkles and age spots. Many woman who have abused their skin expect surgery to be the answer. Caring for your skin is still the first priority.

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Tinkrbl44 — Wed, 04 Oct 2017 14:02:23 GMT

@febe1 wrote:
Anti-aging creams are being purchased and made for the younger woman of perhaps 35 and up, not the mature older women who have already aged.
Anti-aging creams are just a way to make more money.
Retin A is the only science approved skin help. And it doesn't lift. What gravity has done cannot be picked up and put back in place. But that doesn't mean you can't have beautiful skin and excellent skin care for all women. The young woman thinks she's staving off wrinkles. She may, but she will never be able to counteract gravity. We all will fall. The only difference is how much. The fatter your face, the more there is to fall. The thinner face, less to fall. One will have more jowls than the other.
If you want lifting, see your plastic surgeon.

@febe1

???

I guess I must have missed something ..... which products say they can actually take the place of plastic surgery by "lifting" the skin? I've never seen any claim that, but maybe you can name the products that do? thanks

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Tinkrbl44 — Wed, 04 Oct 2017 14:05:23 GMT

@software wrote:
You don't start when you are 50 or 60 after the damage is done.
If the push for good skin care is now the new "normal", it needs to be pushed at all ages, not just the older ladies, like myself.

I've also read that "anti-aging" is not politically correct.
So let's see if it's about semantics or if there is a new change coming.

@software

What's politically incorrect about a skin care category?

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tends2dogs — Wed, 04 Oct 2017 14:20:41 GMT

I remember a few years ago during a presentation with Dr. Denese. She said that if any product claims it can lift the skin, "Don't you believe it! No cream can LIFT your skin." I always remember this bit of honesty when I listen to a presentation of skincare. I hate the term they all use "gives the appearance of" which I am sure is because of legality issues.

Also, B & A's always crack me up. You can tell in the BEFORE the women have a slight smile which is going to make crinkling around the eyes and mouth. In the AFTER their expression is solemn. It is trickery as far as I am concerned. I have found that keeping it simple has paid off in more ways than one.

@Shanus

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Montana — Wed, 04 Oct 2017 14:41:35 GMT

I pay no attention to any of these inflated claims, because there is usually included some variation of these phrases: results may vary or results not typical.

Until they show me "typical" results, in my opinion, they are all blowing smoke.

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software — Wed, 04 Oct 2017 16:12:21 GMT

Allure magazine recently banned the term because it implies a condition that should be battled.

The actress Helen Mirren was on the cover.

I don't make this stuff up

@Tinkrbl44

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Tinkrbl44 — Wed, 04 Oct 2017 16:20:54 GMT

@software wrote:
Allure magazine recently banned the term because it implies a condition that should be battled.

The actress Helen Mirren was on the cover.

I don't make this stuff up

@Tinkrbl44

@software

Ah .... I wasn't suggesting you made this stuff up. Sorry.

IMO, Allure Magazine is just another of the dozens of so-called "beauty" magazines that was looking for a hook to make women pick that issue up off the newsstand. Personally, I don't consider them to be some sort of prime authority on .... anything.