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Toxic Ingredients/Natural Makeup

SandPiper — Wed, 27 Sep 2017 21:39:04 GMT

About 10 years ago I started getting some redness on my face. I didn't think anything of it, just thought aging, etc.

Well last month I visited my friend in Colorado and she asked me about the redness and what makeup I wear. She pointed out at least 2 ingredients that were on a list of toxic ingredients. For the week I used her Jane Iredale BB foundation and I couldn't believe the redness completely disappeared. The only thing is the color was not exactly right for me (just wore it to see what would happen). Now I'm trying to get a color match and it's seems I'm between colors.

Does anybody look at the ingredients in your makeup. Does anyone even care what they are. And if you've found a natural makeup and like it can you share what brand it is. Although I haven't given up on Jane Iredale yet.

Re: Toxic Ingredients/Natural Makeup

luvmybeetle — Wed, 27 Sep 2017 21:52:26 GMT

Can you tell us the name of the ingredients? How about the name of the product (if we are permitted)? I used Bare Minerals for years and got little bumbs on my face. Now I'm using Eve Pearl but still get the bumbs. Don't know what to do.

Re: Toxic Ingredients/Natural Makeup

juperier — Wed, 27 Sep 2017 22:09:28 GMT

First, many, if not most, of these toxic lists are more fear mongering than reality. Any ingredient can be shown to be dangerous if exposure is great enough, even water. Cherry picking the information to present, making it sound like the worst case scenario is the only likely outcome and leaving out significant details makes for excellant "news" stories that increase income for the fear monger.

Now on to the redness. If the irritation is going away by using another product, it makes total sense to switch products.Different people are irritated by different ingredinets. Your irritation could be due to the "toxic" ingredients. But it could just as easily be due to some other ingredient, or combinaiton of ingredients, in the product.

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kitcat51 — Wed, 27 Sep 2017 22:39:14 GMT

@luvmybeetle The original Bare Minerals has bismuth, it can cause rashes, redness, itching & bumps if you are sensitive to it. You'll find bismuth in lots of make-up brands. I have a list of ingredients I have to a avoid so I never buy anything without knowing what's in it. The Bare Minerals matte is bismuth free but I no longer use it, the colors changed after Leslie sold her company.

Re: Toxic Ingredients/Natural Makeup

luvmybeetle — Wed, 27 Sep 2017 22:46:50 GMT

@kitcat51 wrote:
@luvmybeetle The original Bare Minerals has bismuth, it can cause rashes, redness, itching & bumps if you are sensitive to it. You'll find bismuth in lots of make-up brands. I have a list of ingredients I have to a avoid so I never buy anything without knowing what's in it. The Bare Minerals matte is bismuth free but I no longer use it, the colors changed after Leslie sold her company.

Thanks, I thought that might be it but didn't check into it.

Re: Toxic Ingredients/Natural Makeup

SilleeMee — Wed, 27 Sep 2017 23:10:14 GMT

I've never heard of anyone dying from wearing makeup. Sensitivities and allergies to certain constituents are most likely to happen. 'Toxic' implies poisonous, meaning capable of causing death and illness.

ETA: I take that back...many years ago Kabuki actors in Japan wore the white makeup which contained lead. The lead gave the makeup total opacity and full coverage. There were reported deaths of some of these actors who died from lead poisoning. Lead is no longer used in the white makeup.

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SandPiper — Wed, 27 Sep 2017 22:53:00 GMT

@juperier @luvmybeetleThe ingredients are PEG-10 and 9, retinyl palmitate and phenoxyethanol. It could be other ingredients or a combination but we pinpointed the toxic ones. I looked them up on EWG.org suggested by my friend. They have a huge cosmetic database.

@kitcat51 I can't wear Bare Minerals I get little red pimples. I noticed their foundation has PEG10 and phenoxyethanol. Hmmmmm.

Re: Toxic Ingredients/Natural Makeup

SilleeMee — Wed, 27 Sep 2017 23:04:57 GMT

@SandPiper wrote:
@juperier @luvmybeetleThe ingredients are PEG-10 and 9, retinyl palmitate and phenoxyethanol. It could be other ingredients or a combination but we pinpointed the toxic ones. I looked them up on EWG.org suggested by my friend. They have a huge cosmetic database.

@kitcat51 I can't wear Bare Minerals I get little red pimples. I noticed their foundation has PEG10 and phenoxyethanol. Hmmmmm.

PEGs are cones and they give smoothness and slip.

Phenoxyethanol is an antibacterial...you need this to avoid skin infections.

Retinyl palmitate is a skincare ingredient classified as a form of retinol.

Re: Toxic Ingredients/Natural Makeup

sidsmom — Wed, 27 Sep 2017 23:06:41 GMT

@SilleeMee wrote:
I've never heard of anyone dying from wearing makeup. Sensitivities and allergies to certain constituents are most likely to happen. 'Toxic' implies poisonous, meaning capable of causing death and illness.

ITA.

I remember way back in the 80’s when anti-aging products really began to be marketed. So many women complaining about scaly, red, patchy, dry skin. Well, when you...

wash your face w/ anti-aging,

mask/scrub w/ anti-aging,

serum w/ anti-aging,

moisturize w/ anti-aging,

makeup w/ anti-aging,

finishing powder w/ anti-aging.....

....something’s got to give.

Layer upon layer women pile on the product when, in reality, going bare

faced w/ a little translucent powder would be beautifully all they need.

Blaming the makeup when there’s a million other things, outside products

and possibly nutrition, most likely causing the issues.

Re: Toxic Ingredients/Natural Makeup

juperier — Wed, 27 Sep 2017 23:18:55 GMT

@SandPiper Unfortunately, EWG is considered by many (including myself) to very much lean towards fear mongering. While what they say likely has some truth to it, it was very eye-opening to me to have what they said put into context by an internationally known nail expert who had already proven himself to be very trustworthy.

It may be a few days, but I'll try and remember to take a look and see what I can find on these ingredients.

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Haircut100 — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 00:08:05 GMT

Well, we are all different. I read ingredients- in everything from what I eat, to what I use on my skin and home (detergents, laundry products, etc.). I don't necessarily scrutinize every ingredient, but I do want to avoid certain ingredients. Anything with soy is a no-no for me, and I do not like chemicals or synthetic stuff in or on my body. I have found numerous makeup and skin care lines that are quite effective and well-performing!

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SilleeMee — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 00:17:46 GMT

For me it's a personal choice I make. One person's elixir is another person's poison.

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lexiee — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 00:20:09 GMT

Hi! I do!!! Your skin is the largest organ in our bodies, so what we put on our skin ends up in our bodies! So I'm very careful about what I use. I don't really use makeup but if I do I use Josie Maran products since they are aragan oil based & vegan, and I use Thrive Cosmetics products....they are awesome...all natural & vegan too! Yay! Check those out! XOXOXOXOXO

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lexiee — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 00:22:01 GMT

True...one thing by itself probably won't hurt, but there are many toxins we out on & in our bodies daily in addition to regular environmental facors, that it can all add up ( I just try to minimize as many toxins as I can ) XOXOXO

Re: Toxic Ingredients/Natural Makeup

SandPiper — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 00:25:22 GMT

I agree other things could be causing the issue. But changing foundations took the redness away. Just a coincidence?

Foundation is absorbed into the skin. So if someone got a disease it would be very difficult to trace it back to makeup. That could be the reason why we don't hear of anyone dying from makeup.

PEG10 tiny plastic beads sometimes contaminated with 1,4dioxane which US government considers a probable human carcinogen

Phenoxyethanol skin, eyes, lungs irritation

Retinyl Palmitate data from FDA study speeds development of skin tumors and lesions

We shouldn't believe everything on the internet but when it pops up in a lot of places it's worth reading.

Re: Toxic Ingredients/Natural Makeup

SandPiper — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 00:27:34 GMT

@lexiee Thanks for the suggestions. I will look them up.

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Sunshine Kate — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 01:06:51 GMT

Young Living has come out with a makeup line. It's called Savvy Minerals, a loose powder/foundation.

It has zero bad ingredients.

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suzyQ3 — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 01:57:04 GMT

@SandPiper wrote:
I agree other things could be causing the issue. But changing foundations took the redness away. Just a coincidence?

Foundation is absorbed into the skin. So if someone got a disease it would be very difficult to trace it back to makeup. That could be the reason why we don't hear of anyone dying from makeup.

PEG10 tiny plastic beads sometimes contaminated with 1,4dioxane which US government considers a probable human carcinogen

Phenoxyethanol skin, eyes, lungs irritation

Retinyl Palmitate data from FDA study speeds development of skin tumors and lesions

We shouldn't believe everything on the internet but when it pops up in a lot of places it's worth reading.

But the problem with this is that it's circular -- much like gossip. One person posts it and then others copy it, and all of a sudden, it's become the truth.

Re: Toxic Ingredients/Natural Makeup

juperier — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 02:54:25 GMT

@suzyQ3 wrote:
@SandPiper wrote:
I agree other things could be causing the issue. But changing foundations took the redness away. Just a coincidence?

Foundation is absorbed into the skin. So if someone got a disease it would be very difficult to trace it back to makeup. That could be the reason why we don't hear of anyone dying from makeup.

PEG10 tiny plastic beads sometimes contaminated with 1,4dioxane which US government considers a probable human carcinogen

Phenoxyethanol skin, eyes, lungs irritation

Retinyl Palmitate data from FDA study speeds development of skin tumors and lesions

We shouldn't believe everything on the internet but when it pops up in a lot of places it's worth reading.
But the problem with this is that it's circular -- much like gossip. One person posts it and then others copy it, and all of a sudden, it's become the truth.

Also, it's sort of like playing "telephone" (if anyone remembers that game). First person highlights what mentions the "facts" that back up their theory that ingredient is "dangerous." Next person adds their own spin, reflecting what they here. And so on.... And, yes, of course, this can also happen in the other direction, arguing something is safe. The truth is more than likely going to be somewhere in the middle, depending on multiple factors that neither side may have mentioned.

Some of these factors (in no particular order):

study itself may have been flawed (not deliberately, just that it's very possible for something to hve been overlooked in setting up a study
just because there are negative results using the amount in the study doesn't mean that the percentage actually used in a product isn't safe; think things like water, vitamins, etc.
the study itself may indicate the need for further study; but that info is conveniently left out
you have to consider the safety profile of the ingredient in relation to other ingredients that would serve the same purpose in the product

No ingredient is going to be 100% reaction free for everyone.

Re: Toxic Ingredients/Natural Makeup

Nadine O — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 04:38:48 GMT

Thank You for posting! I have been allergic to make up and nail polish all of my life and I need to read every label. Haven't used mascara in years. Right now I have an allergic reaction on my eyelid so stopped using everything. Used to use Bare Minerals but it isn't the same anymore. I wonder how Laura Gellar is?