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Perricone vs NBT

World Traveler — Sun, 07 Aug 2016 16:56:09 GMT

I decided to finish the conversation on a new thread as not to go so off topic on the other thread.

You were asking what I use of Perricone......well, just about everything. I have not had a problem with any of his products. And it has got quite expensive, but QVC's great prices have been a great chance to save quite a bit of money on Perricone. I purchase most of the TSV's and have around 15 of his products; some are morning only; some are evening only; and others just once in a while.

The NBT I talked about is WEN's Nourishing Body Treatment, which is a great body cream. Probably the best I have ever had. But my goal in using it only for the six weeks I was on vacation was an experiment to see if it would be a good substitute for Perricone, thus saving a lot of money, as the NBT is only $59/jar and goes a long way.

It did a great job of keeping my skin hydrated, soft and silky. But it did not address the few wrinkles and creases I have that Perricone works so well to diminish. @rochelleS very well may be right and I should give it a longer time to allow it to work. But although my skin did not "go bad" during the six weeks I didn't use Perricone, I could definitely tell that it was not at its best in the area of wrinkles. They seemed to start to show more, but only a very tiny bit.

So I kind of got nervous that I should get back on Perricone and in these few days since I have returned from Eastern Europe, I can already tell that my skin has benefited from Perricone again.

If I ever find that I can't afford to continue with Perricone, I would not hesitate to use the NBT or Tatcha, which also gave me similar results to the NBT.

The other reason I wanted to try the NBT during the trip was because I did not want to weigh down my luggage with Perricone. I use so many of his products and they are mostly in glass bottles and jars; whereas, the NBT come in either a plastic jar or travel-size plastic tubes.

Re: Perricone vs NBT

1Professor — Sun, 07 Aug 2016 17:12:02 GMT

@World Traveler

I would love to hear your morning v. evening regular Perricone product use (even if you've discussed it on another thread).

I currently have the last TSV trio (neuropeptide night cream, cold plasma sub-D, and face finishing moisturizer) and just pre-ordered the September Perricone TSV (neuropeptide facial cream/day, 2 neuropeptide FIRMING moisturizers with DMAE).

Please share your routines!

Re: Perricone vs NBT

World Traveler — Sun, 07 Aug 2016 18:10:57 GMT

@1Professor Oh, dear me! ha! Is there enough space? Is there enough time to do this? I think I should own stock in the company! LOL!

Okay, you asked......

Morning:

DMAE Firming Pads (probably not replenish when used up; pads not as effective for me as the liquid DMAE)

Cold Plasma (absolute must!)

Signature Reserve (not always available but very good)

Acyl-Glutathione Eye Lid Serum (the best!)

Formula 15 (very good)

Re:Firm for the Eyes (really like for any puffiness that may appear under the eyes)

Acyl-Glutathone Deep Crease Serum

Neuropeptide Facial Cream or Re:Firm for the Face (depends on which one I have on hand)

Face Finishing Moisturizer Tint (winter only, to give me some color)

Sub-D (for the throat)

Now, I want to say right here and now that I have reservations about using the facial cream and the deep crease serum at the same time. It would appear to me that they are working against each other. I think how the Deep Crease Serum works is to plump up the skin, filling in the creases; however, the Neuropeptide Facial Cream tightens up your skin and I love the effect of that. So I am not sure if they cancel each other out and maybe I would get even better results if I only use one of them.

Evening:

Blue Plasma (gentle peel)

Alpha Lipoic Acid/DMAE liquid duo (I used to use the Blue Plasma along with this duo, but it is too much for the skin, so one night I use the plasma and the next night I use this duo. My skin couldn't take both....got very red.)

Cold Plasma (love!)

Acyl-Glutathione Eye Lid Serum

Conformer (the magic product!)

Concentrated Restorative Treatment (love the feel it gives my skin)

Chia Serum (also sometimes pat this on throughout the day; great for any dry areas)

Neuropeptide Night Cream (love this too)

Sub-D (for the throat)

At least once a week:

Chloro Plasma - mask

OVM Serum - diminish fine lines

Neuropeptide Instant Serum - for fine lines; smooths out the face

High Potency Face Firming Activator (instead of DMAE sometimes)

This all seems like a lot, and it is. But really I do it without thinking about it. Just got in the habit of it as I found what worked and what didn't. I always get compliments on my face and how smooth and clear it looks.

I have used the Neuropeptide Necolletage, but do not find it as effective as the Sub-D; others prefer the NN.

I would like to try the Vitamin C Ester, but have not seen it presented on QVC.

I have tried the "no" foundation, mascara, blush, etc., and did not like it. Others love it.

I do not see a great benefit to any of his cleansers with my skin, so when I finish up the one bottle I have, I won't try any more.

As so many post indicate, the order to use the various Perricone products is always frustrating. I first went by the Protocol that you can download from the product site, and also comes with every order of his.

Also, there is the old adage of putting on the thinnest product first to the thickest one last. I have used both ways, but as is true with most things, you have to experiment and see what works for you. What I have outlined above is what I have found to work best for my skin and may not for yours.

And yes, I do let each layer soak in before going on to the next. However, I do a lot of patting of the product to the face, pressing it in. So the products last me a long time if I don't just try to slather it all over my face. That would really take a long time to dry.

And yes again, I get up a little earlier before work so I do not have to rush this process. On weekends I just spread each step out without hurrying.

Hope this helps @1Professor

Re: Perricone vs NBT

1Professor — Sun, 07 Aug 2016 18:50:12 GMT

@World Traveler:

As a researcher, may I say how MUCH I appreciate your specifics, dear heart! Yes, skin care is an experiment, but I plan to stand on your shoulders and take advantage of what you've learned.

Will now add several of the Perricone products to my routine (waiting for the pre-order to arrive). I already have a weekly peel I use that I will use up before considering more. And, along with you, I'm finding plenty of good-enough cleansers.

This was SO terribly useful.

You've must've earned a zillion karma points for taking the time!

Re: Perricone vs NBT

Drythe — Sun, 07 Aug 2016 20:37:26 GMT

@World Traveler

On a different topic, where you in Eastern Europe? I'll be in Austria and Hungry the month of October -- harvest fest & great wine.

Re: Perricone vs NBT

World Traveler — Sun, 07 Aug 2016 21:06:36 GMT

@Drythe Yes, I was in Eastern Europe. After North Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, I went straight to Albania, then up the coast, visiting Montenegro, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and ending up in Slovenia. It was a great six-week trip. I posted every day of that trip.

I hope you will consider posting your trip on our Travel Chat thread (soon to be Travel Forum, per one of the moderators), because it is fun to read about other people's adventures. Helps give us ideas about where to go.

In fact, @gacat123 husband and mother-in-law just came back from a cruise down the Danube and they were in Austria and Hungary. She posted his notes about their trip there, so you might want to read about it. She has done two main posts about his impressions and still has more to go.

@JudyL is getting ready to leave for Ireland the end of this month and I am pretty sure she will be regularly posting too, giving us her impressions of the country.

I don't know anything about the harvest fest, but do know when I was in those two countries (Austria being my favorite of the two), I understand their wine was divine. I personally do not drink wine, but those who were with me raved about it.

In Hungary I rode horses; they are great horsemen and it was fun to watch them take the horses thru their paces.

Is your travel to those two places for business or pleasure?

@Drythe Forgot to mention, the Travel Chat thread is in the Among Friends forum, until the tech team is finished setting up a Travel Forum.

Re: Perricone vs NBT

kal — Sun, 07 Aug 2016 22:39:24 GMT

@World Traveler wrote:
@gacat123 and @rochelleS and @BExplorer
I decided to finish the conversation on a new thread as not to go so off topic on the other thread.

You were asking what I use of Perricone......well, just about everything. I have not had a problem with any of his products. And it has got quite expensive, but QVC's great prices have been a great chance to save quite a bit of money on Perricone. I purchase most of the TSV's and have around 15 of his products; some are morning only; some are evening only; and others just once in a while.

The NBT I talked about is WEN's Nourishing Body Treatment, which is a great body cream. Probably the best I have ever had. But my goal in using it only for the six weeks I was on vacation was an experiment to see if it would be a good substitute for Perricone, thus saving a lot of money, as the NBT is only $59/jar and goes a long way.

It did a great job of keeping my skin hydrated, soft and silky. But it did not address the few wrinkles and creases I have that Perricone works so well to diminish. @rochelleS very well may be right and I should give it a longer time to allow it to work. But although my skin did not "go bad" during the six weeks I didn't use Perricone, I could definitely tell that it was not at its best in the area of wrinkles. They seemed to start to show more, but only a very tiny bit.

So I kind of got nervous that I should get back on Perricone and in these few days since I have returned from Eastern Europe, I can already tell that my skin has benefited from Perricone again.

If I ever find that I can't afford to continue with Perricone, I would not hesitate to use the NBT or Tatcha, which also gave me similar results to the NBT.

The other reason I wanted to try the NBT during the trip was because I did not want to weigh down my luggage with Perricone. I use so many of his products and they are mostly in glass bottles and jars; whereas, the NBT come in either a plastic jar or travel-size plastic tubes.

Are you saying you used the Wen Nourishing Body Treatment on your face? Or did you use it instead of one of the Perricone body lotions, on your body?

Re: Perricone vs NBT

Drythe — Sun, 07 Aug 2016 22:58:50 GMT

@World Traveler

Hi, My travel is frequently and Business / Pleasure.

I own my own business and am fortunate that I can choose to work overseas. Traveling is one of my favorite things and I have been lucky to visit many wonderful places.

Have not seen the travel 'forum' will check it out.

I have taken a Danube cruse ending up in Amsterdam at tulip time, and been to Amsterdam on my own. I like making my own travel plans best, although I like ships as well. Well, any travel is good really!

Re: Perricone vs NBT

World Traveler — Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:37:14 GMT

@Drythe Oh, you are so right! Any travel is good.

I am sure many of our Travel Chat gang on the Among Friends forum would love to hear about your adventures.

It seems I remember you posting around a year ago on one of the other forums that you were in Italy (?). Remember you saying you were having a great time.

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depglass — Mon, 08 Aug 2016 14:54:23 GMT

Nine products in the morning, nine in the evening, plus four extra. Wow. This reminds me of Isomers, one has to use an obsessive number to get "results." And yes, I tried Isomers all in one, didn't work. After two expensive tubes of Perricone neuropeptide that were rancid, I gave up on his line completely. Back to my regular routine, which combines Philosophy, Ole Henrikson, and Dr. Denese. Three products in the morning and three at night. .

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jammypgh — Tue, 09 Aug 2016 02:16:07 GMT

Hello fellow World Traveler and dedicated Perricone lady!

I have used so many lines in my 60 years...and my fair, combination, and large-pored complexion tells me Dr P works the best. It may sound trite but I really look so much younger than friends...much to their loudly-voiced chagrin. It really has been a long trial and error process.

My morning routine:

Citrus cleanser ((the best for controlling my oil. The Nutritive made it oilier.))

Blue Plasma cleansing treatment ((won't re-order))

Intensive Pore Minimizer

Refirm ((not the one for eyes,which did nothing for me. I use the regular..a miracle worker for my undereye bags))

A cocktail of Cold Plasma, Formula 15, and Conformer ((if I'm not rushing to work, I do each separately))

OVM ((another love))

Intensive Pore Treatment

Cold Plasma Sub-D

Chia Serum ((only around eyes, too oily otherwise))

Acyl-Glutathione Eye

Neuropeptide Facial Cream

Tinted Facial Moisturizer

Evening regimen:

Citrus Facial Cleanser

Blue Plasma

DMAE Firming Pads ((won't reorder...will try the DMAE serum you recommend))

OVM Serum

Refirm

Cold Plasma

Conformer

Cold Plasma SubD

Actyl Glutathione Eye

Neuopeptide Eye

Neuropeptide Night Cream

I also love the Chloro Plasma. It's made a major difference in shrinking the craters on my face.

This Perricone kit and kaboodle is an investment but well worth it to me.

Re: Perricone vs NBT

World Traveler — Tue, 09 Aug 2016 10:40:34 GMT

@jammypgh WOW! I like your routine.

By the way, there are a LOT of dedicated Perricone ladies out there, and I would love to see others share their routine too.

If you are interested, you can see a picture of my Perricone skin on an old post by @Brdwygurl she made on March 12, 2016. It is the 3rd post on a thread called "New product hints! World traveler scopes 2 and 3" She very quickly took a screen shot of Chaz and I while watching my visit with him on Periscope.

I am in my 70s and feel that 19 months of using Perricone have made a huge difference to the look and feel of my skin.

And it just occurred to me....those few lines around my eye that show on the photo.......they are barely noticeable now, five months later! They just show up now slightly when I have a big smile on my face. Thank you, Dr. Perricone!! And thank you, QVC, for making it easier for me to purchase. You have specials that regularly give 50% or more off on his products.

A few questions for you, @jammypgh:

1. Intensive Pore Treatment and Intensive Pore Minimizer....can you say what is the difference between the two? I'm interested in knowing more and don't recall using either one.

2. I found it interesting that you have the cold plasma a little higher up on the totem pole than I use it. I understood for best results that it was to be closer to being first, if not first, on the face, as it nourishes and feeds the skin. But, hey, that just goes to show that everyone's skin is different and that's why it is good to figure out what works best for our individual skin types.

3. Chia serum...I agree, it can be too oily. I remember Host Jill showing how she uses it by patting it around the eyes on herself and on her son she pats it on his cheeks when he has been out in the harsh winter weather and comes in with very red and dry skin. She immediately sees a difference in how his skin feels when she puts it on him. The same can be done for the harsh sun effects on the skin. Chia rocks!

4. Neuropeptide eye for evening. I used to have that and remember it was good. Not sure why I haven't reorder. Probably hasn't been a special on it! ha! Have to write that down and keep an eye out for it.

5. Have you seen the cold plasma eye around lately? I used mine up and have not seen it at a special price lately.

Re: Perricone vs NBT

beauty0125 — Wed, 10 Aug 2016 02:37:23 GMT

I feel sorry for you as instead of all these products just use Paula's choice BHA, retinol, serums and moisturizers and your skin will be amazing! See all the reviews and forums are amazed with the results. My skin changed dramatically better after using Perricone for a while. Save your money and switch over. I did thankfully. It does NOT need to be expensive to be the best!

Re: Perricone vs NBT

1Professor — Thu, 11 Aug 2016 16:30:15 GMT

@World Traveler wrote:
@1Professor Oh, dear me! ha! Is there enough space? Is there enough time to do this? I think I should own stock in the company! LOL!

Okay, you asked......

Morning:
DMAE Firming Pads (probably not replenish when used up; pads not as effective for me as the liquid DMAE)
Cold Plasma (absolute must!)
Signature Reserve (not always available but very good)
Acyl-Glutathione Eye Lid Serum (the best!)
Formula 15 (very good)
Re:Firm for the Eyes (really like for any puffiness that may appear under the eyes)
Acyl-Glutathone Deep Crease Serum
Neuropeptide Facial Cream or Re:Firm for the Face (depends on which one I have on hand)
Face Finishing Moisturizer Tint (winter only, to give me some color)
Sub-D (for the throat)

Now, I want to say right here and now that I have reservations about using the facial cream and the deep crease serum at the same time. It would appear to me that they are working against each other. I think how the Deep Crease Serum works is to plump up the skin, filling in the creases; however, the Neuropeptide Facial Cream tightens up your skin and I love the effect of that. So I am not sure if they cancel each other out and maybe I would get even better results if I only use one of them.

Evening:
Blue Plasma (gentle peel)
Alpha Lipoic Acid/DMAE liquid duo (I used to use the Blue Plasma along with this duo, but it is too much for the skin, so one night I use the plasma and the next night I use this duo. My skin couldn't take both....got very red.)
Cold Plasma (love!)
Acyl-Glutathione Eye Lid Serum
Conformer (the magic product!)
Concentrated Restorative Treatment (love the feel it gives my skin)
Chia Serum (also sometimes pat this on throughout the day; great for any dry areas)
Neuropeptide Night Cream (love this too)
Sub-D (for the throat)

At least once a week:
Chloro Plasma - mask
OVM Serum - diminish fine lines
Neuropeptide Instant Serum - for fine lines; smooths out the face
High Potency Face Firming Activator (instead of DMAE sometimes)

This all seems like a lot, and it is. But really I do it without thinking about it. Just got in the habit of it as I found what worked and what didn't. I always get compliments on my face and how smooth and clear it looks.

I have used the Neuropeptide Necolletage, but do not find it as effective as the Sub-D; others prefer the NN.

I would like to try the Vitamin C Ester, but have not seen it presented on QVC.

I have tried the "no" foundation, mascara, blush, etc., and did not like it. Others love it.

I do not see a great benefit to any of his cleansers with my skin, so when I finish up the one bottle I have, I won't try any more.

As so many post indicate, the order to use the various Perricone products is always frustrating. I first went by the Protocol that you can download from the product site, and also comes with every order of his.

Also, there is the old adage of putting on the thinnest product first to the thickest one last. I have used both ways, but as is true with most things, you have to experiment and see what works for you. What I have outlined above is what I have found to work best for my skin and may not for yours.

And yes, I do let each layer soak in before going on to the next. However, I do a lot of patting of the product to the face, pressing it in. So the products last me a long time if I don't just try to slather it all over my face. That would really take a long time to dry.

And yes again, I get up a little earlier before work so I do not have to rush this process. On weekends I just spread each step out without hurrying.

Hope this helps @1Professor

@World Traveler

Just received my order of Cold Plasma to add to my Perricone routine, per your recommendations.

May I say: WOW!

One day of using it after cleansing (before anything else) morning and evening and you can FEEL the difference. See it, too.

Deep appreciation.

Re: Perricone vs NBT

World Traveler — Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:03:26 GMT

@1Professor YAY!!!!! Cold Plasma is a wonderful product and I am soooo glad you not only got it, but you feel the same way.

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1Professor — Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:20:24 GMT

@World Traveler wrote:
@1Professor YAY!!!!! Cold Plasma is a wonderful product and I am soooo glad you not only got it, but you feel the same way.

@World Traveler:

It has been my experience, unfortunately, that the Perricone QVC rep does a terrible job of really describing what a product does. She just gushes over everything.

COLD PLASMA is amazing, and I never expect much to happen soon!

Re: Perricone vs NBT

World Traveler — Thu, 11 Aug 2016 18:31:04 GMT

@1Professor Agree.

Also, I have disregarded how she demonstrates the Neuropeptide Facial Cream that I use in the mornings. My tube of that product specifically says to "gently" pat it on the skin, whereas she is always aggressively rubbing it in on the model. I used to do it that way and came to the conclusion that it is counterproductive to be pushing and pulling your skin with a product that is supposed to tighten your skin.

I think she is a wonderful person and has a great passion for Perricone, but when I see that particular product demonstrated, I cringe. Sometime if I can call in when she is demonstrating the product, I would like to politely ask why she is using it that way. I am sure she has a good reason for it, but would love to have her share her views, which are opposite to what the instructions say. Maybe I am missing something and should be doing it as she does.

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maestra — Thu, 11 Aug 2016 21:50:31 GMT

Vitamin C Ester gives my skin a glow that I dont get from other products except Perricones.

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World Traveler — Thu, 11 Aug 2016 22:15:35 GMT

@maestra Have you ever seen it presented on QVC? I have only been watching QVC since October 2014, and my first purchase of Perricone (Neuropeptide Facial Cream, two for the price of one!) was that winter. I usually watch all of Dana's presentations and don't remember the Vitamin C Ester being shown. I would try if it was on a special price.

Re: Perricone vs NBT

maestra — Fri, 12 Aug 2016 09:26:34 GMT

I 'discovered' the Vit.C Ester on my own from reading about Vit.C on the Perricone website.

The Q has a very good value on Vit.C for skin and eye.

I use the Vit. C eye around my lips as well since the skin around the lips is the same as around the eyes.