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Funny how many Q beauty brands defy Paula's teachings

HomeShoppingLover87 — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:28:24 GMT

I have been a follower of Paule Begoun's ever since a terrible undereye reaction to some product I still haven't identified. My skin is perfectly fine ever since I started avoiding products with any of Paula's no-no ingredients (fragrance, lavender, menthol, mint, etc.)

But it's funny to me how many of the brands QVC sells have these ingredients (and some even get terrible reviews on Paula's website for that reason), yet they tout her expertise. You can't have it both ways!

I guess maybe they'd argue that some people don't have sensitive skin, and therefore don't need to avoid certain ingredients. But I had seemingly invincible skin that could withstand any product until whatever that one was I put under my eyes (was using several different creams and concealers at the time, so I really don't know what it was, unfortunately). Since it's well-documented that you can develop skin-sensitivity, I just avoid all commonly irritating ingredients to be safe.

Re: Funny how many Q beauty brands defy Paula's teachings

HappyDaze — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:53:41 GMT

I also think some people confuse sensitivity to ingredients with ingredients that are actually doing underlying damage. I know many use the words irritation, sensitivity and damaging synonymously and that isn't exactly accurate.

For example, certain ingredients don't necessarily cause any type of visible or identifiable reaction, however, it can still be causing damage to the skin/cells, especially with long-term use. These long-term effects can include loss of collagen and can manifest as more wrinkles, less elasticity, sagging, etc over time. Most will not stop using a product containing these types of ingredients since they aren't visibly or physically "reacting" to the product.

Sensitivity or irritation with an ingredient can occur with pretty much any ingredient, including innocuous ingredients and ingredients that are actually good for your skin. The irritation or sensitivty tends to manifest rather quickly, be it immediately or over the course of a few weeks. Any time we irritate our skin, there is some damage being done but it is usuall short-term and not going to cause any long-term damage. Usually if you stop using that ingredient, your skin will calm down and repair itself. Almost everyone will stop using these ingredients since they visibly see or feel a reaction.

Anyway, QVC is a shopping channel and although they tout Paula as being an "expert" they are not saying that she is QVC's expert or that they are only going to promote products that are best for our skin. That is up to us consumers/customers to do our own homework and to make informed decisions about what we apply to our skin. QVC is in the business of making $$, nothing more, nothing less.

Re: Funny how many Q beauty brands defy Paula's teachings

ChynnaBlue — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 19:04:16 GMT

"But it's funny to me how many of the brands QVC sells have these ingredients (and some even get terrible reviews on Paula's website for that reason), yet they tout her expertise. You can't have it both ways! "

I think the majority of products on the market don't follow one or another of Paula's rules, so I don't think it's weird or funny at all.

If if QVC wants to stay in business, they NEED to have it both ways. Not everyone follows Paula's guidelines, but mane people do. people do and QVC caters to both. That's called good business. It Cosmetics and Tarte both make a big deal about not having parabens. Philosophy has parabens and Paula's website has this to say about parabens: "Another example (of ingredient scares are) parabens which are brilliant preservative ingredients with no research (and we mean NO research) showing they cause any health problems. In fact they are among the gentlest and most effective preservatives around. They are originally derived from raspberries and their replacements are no more safe or natural. You can read more about the issues with parabens and their safety here."

QVC has a lot of customers who avoid parabens and a lot of customers who don't mind parabens. They aren't going to eliminate one of those groups by carrying ONLY products with parabens or ONLY products without parabens.

QVC isn't out to resolve the science around these issues, QVC is out to make money.

Re: Funny how many Q beauty brands defy Paula's teachings

culebra — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 19:06:07 GMT

I have followed Paula also. I do not agree with her on everything and some of the feedback from customers also push back. I am a Dr Denese gal and Paula is a big fan of a lot of her products eg. hydroshield serums and the retinol serums.

Re: Funny how many Q beauty brands defy Paula's teachings

HomeShoppingLover87 — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 19:14:08 GMT

I'm not saying I expect them to banish every other skincare line. Of course that wouldn't make sense, on a business level.

But to act as though Paula is this guru who will save your skin because of what she knows, then conveniently forget those lessons when selling another product, is a little disingenous. It would come off less such if they just framed her products as really good for you, not, "Way better than others because, unlike them, she doesn't use ___________."

It's the same thing with a lot of products. They say one thing, then say something totally opposite when selling that brand's competition. I guess I just like to think you don't have to be outright deceptive or contradictory to sell things.

Re: Funny how many Q beauty brands defy Paula's teachings

Cwoldie — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 19:12:49 GMT

QVC is the same as any store. They sell many products. The best one is the one they're presenting at the moment. Listen to all the presentations and they make up your own mind.

Re: Funny how many Q beauty brands defy Paula's teachings

HomeShoppingLover87 — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 19:13:20 GMT

@culebra Yeah, I also don't agree with her on some things (she is a stickler for details, so the way she rates a product down even if it is in a jar or a clear package because eventually the light or air will diminish its effectiveness, seems a bit extreme to me). But I like how, like you said, she rates certain products very highly still even though she has her own line to sell (there's a good example of being honest in sales!).

Re: Funny how many Q beauty brands defy Paula's teachings

DoneTryin — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 19:16:40 GMT

QVC is just another retailer offering a variety of brands in many things, just like other retailers. I wouldn't expect Macy's to only carry one brand of skin care products, etc.

Re: Funny how many Q beauty brands defy Paula's teachings

HomeShoppingLover87 — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 19:22:04 GMT

Read the last post. That's not what I said at all.

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jaxs mom — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 19:37:14 GMT

QVC touts her expertise? I've never noticed that. I haven't even seen any of her products being presented on the Q.

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HappyDaze — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 19:40:50 GMT

@jaxs mom wrote:
QVC touts her expertise? I've never noticed that. I haven't even seen any of her products being presented on the Q.

They only do when she is presenting her products (and yes, they have shown her products onair), just like they tout all the other skincare brands' expertise when they are on lol.

Re: Funny how many Q beauty brands defy Paula's teachings

HandbagHappy — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 20:14:34 GMT

You have to keep in mind that she is also wanting to sell her own line of products, so naturally there are going to be "problems" with most other products.

Re: Funny how many Q beauty brands defy Paula's teachings

suzyQ3 — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 20:41:30 GMT

I honestly don't understand the OP's point.

Re: Funny how many Q beauty brands defy Paula's teachings

HomeShoppingLover87 — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 21:36:32 GMT

@suzyQ3 Paula is known for being the "cosmetics cop" and has had a website for years where she debunks all sorts of beauty myths and talks about the science behind what really works (and doesn't). This is how her own line of skincare developed, which has been around far longer than the Q has been selling it. She is known for rating different ingredients from "worst" to "best," and explains why each ingredient gets that rating.

Many of her biggest no-no ingredients are seemingly harmless and/or soothing natural oils, such as lavender or mint, as well as any fragrance in a skincare product. So it's just a thread about how much the hosts flip-flop over whether Paula's lessons are accurate, when they also tout the wonderful essential oils of, for example the Wen mists and other items you're supposed to use on your face (Paula must be cringing if she's ever backstage when one of those shows is happening).

It's not a post advising Q to stop selling the other lines, as many have interpreted it, but simply one about yet another way the hosts tend to change their stories depending on what they're selling.

Re: Funny how many Q beauty brands defy Paula's teachings

suzyQ3 — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 21:45:45 GMT

@HomeShoppingLover87 wrote:
@suzyQ3 Paula is known for being the "cosmetics cop" and has had a website for years where she debunks all sorts of beauty myths and talks about the science behind what really works (and doesn't). This is how her own line of skincare developed, which has been around far longer than the Q has been selling it. She is known for rating different ingredients from "worst" to "best," and explains why each ingredient gets that rating.

Many of her biggest no-no ingredients are seemingly harmless and/or soothing natural oils, such as lavender or mint, as well as any fragrance in a skincare product. So it's just a thread about how much the hosts flip-flop over whether Paula's lessons are accurate, when they also tout the wonderful essential oils of, for example the Wen mists and other items you're supposed to use on your face (Paula must be cringing if she's ever backstage when one of those shows is happening).

It's not a post advising Q to stop selling the other lines, as many have interpreted it, but simply one about yet another way the hosts tend to change their stories depending on what they're selling.

First of all, of course the hosts "sell" whatever they're selling. You surely know that.

So I infer that you perhaps wanted to voice your opinion about Paula. With me, you're barking up the wrong tree. I happen to believe much of what she states when it comes to ingredients and skincare.

And I think that her own line is top-notch -- free of known irritants, free of fragrance, free from cruelty, and moderately priced for such excellent products and ingredients.

Re: Funny how many Q beauty brands defy Paula's teachings

HomeShoppingLover87 — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 21:53:22 GMT

@suzyQ3 Excuse me? Nothing more frustrating on a board than when someone threatens you based on a completely inaccurate assumption. Unless you meant "preaching to the choir" and not "barking up the wrong tree," which has a rather aggressive context.

As said in the original post, I am a fan of Paula's and have been since long before she came to QVC.

Re: Funny how many Q beauty brands defy Paula's teachings

DoneTryin — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 21:56:53 GMT

This thread reminds me of song lyrics:

If you can't be with the one you love,

Love the one you're with

In other words, whatever's being presented on-air, no matter what it is, is the best.

Re: Funny how many Q beauty brands defy Paula's teachings

JeanLouiseFinch — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 22:06:12 GMT

@DoneTryin wrote:
This thread reminds me of song lyrics:

If you can't be with the one you love,
Love the one you're with

In other words, whatever's being presented on-air, no matter what it is, is the best.

Kinda like a host saying she has Philosophy 3-in-1's in every shower and it's great because it can be used from head to toe so you hair smells great and doesn't compete with the lotion, etc.. Next timeslot is WEN and it's all she and her family ever use. You're right...whatever the product, they all use everything they're presenting. SMH. You have to take that kind of stuff with a grain of salt.

One thing I appreciate about Heather Hall on Evine. She admitted right on air that while she has her certain products that she regularly uses, she does try items she's going to present for a period of time prior to a show, but then goes back to her favorites.

Re: Funny how many Q beauty brands defy Paula's teachings

suzyQ3 — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 22:10:13 GMT

@HomeShoppingLover87, I'm sorry if you felt in any way threatened by me. That's just not my interpretation of the barking/tree idiom, or at least that's not how I used it here.

When I read your "Many of her biggest no-no ingredients are seemingly harmless and/or soothing natural oils, such as lavender or mint, as well as any fragrance in a skincare product," I inferred, apparently incorrectly, that you do not agree with her and that they ARE harmless. If I did read that part incorrectly, I do apologize.

But back to what, then, is your point, I still, as others have said, don't expect anything different from a shopping channel than the hard sell for each and every product. They would say that it's not hypocrisy; it's business.

Re: Funny how many Q beauty brands defy Paula's teachings

HomeShoppingLover87 — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 22:15:02 GMT

@suzyQ3 Alright, sorry, misunderstanding on both parts. But for the record, I do trust Paula and do not believe that anything natural is good for the skin just because it came from the earth.