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$50 for a discovery kit!

segrl21 — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 05:19:07 GMT

Never have tried Tatcha guess that will still stay the same. I'm a beauty junkie but think its way too expensive for a travel kit. Seriously those that have tried the brand would you pay that much for a travel kit?

Re: $50 for a discovery kit!

sunshinestory — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 05:28:11 GMT

I have not tried Tatcha but the full sizes are expensive. For me, I am thrilled to be able to get the discovery kit to see if the products work for me. $50 is a good price point considering these are high-end skin care products.

Re: $50 for a discovery kit!

elruth — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 06:13:23 GMT

This is the first time this has been a TSV. When Lisa R was on, she had this same discovery kit and I think it was the same price or even less $. I bought it well over a year ago and especially liked the first 2 products. I have very sensitive skin that can break out so I bought the rice cleanser for sensitive skin and not the one that is in the TSV. Also have purchased the large size of their cream for sensitive skin which is not in the TSV. Their products are expensive but I liked the results and you use very little of each product as it is rather cost effective. Actually this isn't a bad price for a discovery kit.

Re: $50 for a discovery kit!

shoekitty — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 06:53:23 GMT

I think 50 dollars is reasonable for a discovery kit. This is a more pricey brand, so they are priced accordingly. Actually, it costs more to make those little jars and bottles and fill them, than it does the regular sizes. I haven't ordered this brand, but I have bought other discovery kits, They last long enough to get a good idea if it will work for me. I need to use everyday for at least 2 weeks to see if I break out, and if it is working.

Re: $50 for a discovery kit!

Tinkrbl44 — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 15:42:21 GMT

A couple years ago I bought the Ole Henricksen Discovery Kit for $49 .... and it was worth every penny, and I now use two of the items on a regular basis,

The PTR discovery kit is $44 .... I guess you have to go by others' comments if you're on the fence.

Re: $50 for a discovery kit!

Iwantcoffee — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 11:41:38 GMT

I agree that it is expensive, especially for less than 2oz of products and one a cleansing oil.

0.35-oz travel-size POLISHED Classic Rice Enzyme Powder
0.34-oz travel-size Luminous Deep Hydration Firming Serum
0.34-oz travel-size Supple Moisture Rich Silk Cream
0.8-oz travel-size One Step Camellia Cleansing Oil

Re: $50 for a discovery kit!

JeanLouiseFinch — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 12:16:33 GMT

Tatcha has a strong following, many people love it. Tatcha, in general, is too expensive, IMO. Plus, the talc in the exzyme powder can be irritating to some people. When Victoria first came on QVC, right around 2 yrs. ago, I was intrigued by the cleansing oil and enzyme powder (all she offered at the time) but just couldn't justify the expense. I still haven't tried Tatcha, but have been delighted with the Dr. Young Camellia Cleansing Oil dupe I found and have been using since then. If I hadn't seen that Tatcha demo, I would have never been prompted to search for an alternative and I wouldn't have experienced the improvement in my complexion from using a good cleansing oil. At that time, I also discovered Fleur de Lis Enzyme Powder. I was very pleased with it and was recommending it for awhile, but then I remembered something from my past (Eminence Strawberry Rhubarb Dermafoliant) which I've gone back to. I get both of them on Amazon. It's a little bit of an investment at first, but the containers are larger than Tatcha's regular sized products, and are still less expensive.

Re: $50 for a discovery kit!

FindingMyJoy — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 12:48:58 GMT

I was a little curious about the raves on this line. But after seeing the tiny sizes - even for travel sizes - it's an easy pass for me. A cleanser that's not even 1 ounce??? To get a visual of how small these containers are, I went thru my current beauty stash to find comparable sizes. They are very small. No way, I could stretch it to last a month. Bravo to the QVC camera people for making the products look decent size on tv. I seriously am impressed with how they shoot items to make them look bigger etc. It's an art!

Re: $50 for a discovery kit!

JeanLouiseFinch — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 13:01:08 GMT

Wow, I just watched the TSV video with Gabrielle (alone - no Vicki or vendor stand-in). Gabrielle and Chantal (the model) aren't even demo-ing the cleansing oil correctly. All they did was apply and wipe it off with a washcloth, they never added the water to turn it into a cleansing milk before removing.

Re: $50 for a discovery kit!

Biftu — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 13:31:09 GMT

Watching the demonstration I had to laugh how she applied the cleanser to her hand and then used a blotting paper to show there was no oil. She barely touched the paper to her hand! So obvious. She then really pressed the paper on her face, I guess before applying the cleanser, to show the oil. These sizes are just too small. If I liked the product the price would be too prohibitive for me to buy the full size. For those it works for enjoy.

Re: $50 for a discovery kit!

Pecky — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 13:42:45 GMT

@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:
Wow, I just watched the TSV video with Gabrielle (alone - no Vicki or vendor stand-in). Gabrielle and Chantal (the model) aren't even demo-ing the cleansing oil correctly. All they did was apply and wipe it off with a washcloth, they never added the water to turn it into a cleansing milk before removing.

I have this in the large size and you don't mix this will water. Just the oil with dry hands and face. This line is great. I purchased the TSV for when I go on vacation next month.

Re: $50 for a discovery kit!

bebe777 — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 13:57:10 GMT

What seems a but disingenuous about this discovery kit is that, about two years ago, Tatcha was selling the try me sizes of both the camellia cleansing oil and the enzyme powder on their website for $4 each.

Clearly the company wasn't as well known at the time, and so they were probably offering these very inexpensive sample prices as a way to get customers to try their product line. That said, it seems to me that one of the purposes of the TSV discovery kit is to encourage people to try their line at a bargain price.

So from my perspective, this discovery kit seems very overpriced.

-- bebe

Re: $50 for a discovery kit!

JeanLouiseFinch — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 15:12:27 GMT

@Pecky wrote:
@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:
Wow, I just watched the TSV video with Gabrielle (alone - no Vicki or vendor stand-in). Gabrielle and Chantal (the model) aren't even demo-ing the cleansing oil correctly. All they did was apply and wipe it off with a washcloth, they never added the water to turn it into a cleansing milk before removing.
I have this in the large size and you don't mix this will water. Just the oil with dry hands and face. This line is great. I purchased the TSV for when I go on vacation next month.

Yes, you apply the cleansing oil with dry hands to a dry face. After massaging it in that way, you're supposed to add a little water to emulsify it into a cleansing milk during the rinsing process. When Vicky does the demo's she uses water after massaging the oil in. I don't think she ever recommended applying the oil and just wiping it off with a cloth.

Re: $50 for a discovery kit!

kr682 — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 16:39:36 GMT

Whoever noted these products have talc in them, I just want to clarify that I own all these products and there is no talc listed. Thanks.

Re: $50 for a discovery kit!

JeanLouiseFinch — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 16:50:27 GMT

@kr682 wrote:
Whoever noted these products have talc in them, I just want to clarify that I own all these products and there is no talc listed. Thanks.

The talc is listed as the first ingredient on the Classic Rice Enzyme Powder that's included in the TSV Discovery Kit, which is what's being discussed in this thread.

TATCHA Polished Classic Rice Enzyme Powder
TALC, MICROCRYSTALLINE CELLULOSE, POTASSIUM MYRISTATE, CELLULOSE, ORYZA SATIVA
(RICE) BRAN, PAPAIN (PAPAYA EXTRACT), ALGAE EXTRACT, CAMELLIA SINENSIS (GREEN TEA)
LEAF EXTRACT, HYDROLYZED CONCHIOLIN (PEARL) PROTEIN, GLYCERIN, DEXTRIN, ALCOHOL,
PHENOXYETHANOL

Re: $50 for a discovery kit!

bebe777 — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 17:36:06 GMT

@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:
@Pecky wrote:
@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:
Wow, I just watched the TSV video with Gabrielle (alone - no Vicki or vendor stand-in). Gabrielle and Chantal (the model) aren't even demo-ing the cleansing oil correctly. All they did was apply and wipe it off with a washcloth, they never added the water to turn it into a cleansing milk before removing.
I have this in the large size and you don't mix this will water. Just the oil with dry hands and face. This line is great. I purchased the TSV for when I go on vacation next month.
Yes, you apply the cleansing oil with dry hands to a dry face. After massaging it in that way, you're supposed to add a little water to emulsify it into a cleansing milk during the rinsing process. When Vicky does the demo's she uses water after massaging the oil in. I don't think she ever recommended applying the oil and just wiping it off with a cloth.

@Pecky and @JeanLouiseFinch, during the demo last night, Vicki mentioned that you needed to apply the Camellia cleansing oil to your dry face. She said that if you added it to your wet face that this would start the emulsification process immediately and prevent the oil from doing the best job of getting the excess gunk out of your pores.

As JLF mentioned, you add a bit of water during the rinsing process.

-- bebe

Re: $50 for a discovery kit!

bebe777 — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 17:41:52 GMT

@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:
@kr682 wrote:
Whoever noted these products have talc in them, I just want to clarify that I own all these products and there is no talc listed. Thanks.
The talc is listed as the first ingredient on the Classic Rice Enzyme Powder that's included in the TSV Discovery Kit, which is what's being discussed in this thread.

TATCHA Polished Classic Rice Enzyme Powder
TALC, MICROCRYSTALLINE CELLULOSE, POTASSIUM MYRISTATE, CELLULOSE, ORYZA SATIVA
(RICE) BRAN, PAPAIN (PAPAYA EXTRACT), ALGAE EXTRACT, CAMELLIA SINENSIS (GREEN TEA)
LEAF EXTRACT, HYDROLYZED CONCHIOLIN (PEARL) PROTEIN, GLYCERIN, DEXTRIN, ALCOHOL,
PHENOXYETHANOL

@JeanLouiseFinch and @kr682 that's really interesting because during two of Vicki's early presentations today she made a specific point of saying that there was no talc in this product. I think she may have even added something about how talc wasn't a part of the product because some people found that it irritated their skin.

I don't know why but the second time she mentioned this, she sounded very determined... almost angry. It was a bit surprising. I wonder if she had just found out that talc had been listed (incorrectly?) in the QVC list of ingredients.

-- bebe

Re: $50 for a discovery kit!

CWS22 — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 17:51:59 GMT

Tatcha was to have removed the talc from that product earlier this year. Those who were on Auto Delivery for the Enzyme Powder received a letter from QVC/Tatcha explaining the formula change. Many posted about it here on this board. So it would appear then that the QVC ingredient listing for the TSV is incorrect.

Regarding water and the cleansing oil, I also own the product and it is supposed to be applied to a dry face and hands (as mentioned). The only thing Vicki ever said about water is that once you apply water to rinse it off - it will rinse off easily and completely. And that's true. Once water touches it, the product is gone immediately. So there's no milky massage step involved, at least not for me. The water instantly takes the product off my skin's surface.

Re: $50 for a discovery kit!

bebe777 — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 17:55:47 GMT

@bebe777 wrote:
@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:
@kr682 wrote:
Whoever noted these products have talc in them, I just want to clarify that I own all these products and there is no talc listed. Thanks.
The talc is listed as the first ingredient on the Classic Rice Enzyme Powder that's included in the TSV Discovery Kit, which is what's being discussed in this thread.

TATCHA Polished Classic Rice Enzyme Powder
TALC, MICROCRYSTALLINE CELLULOSE, POTASSIUM MYRISTATE, CELLULOSE, ORYZA SATIVA
(RICE) BRAN, PAPAIN (PAPAYA EXTRACT), ALGAE EXTRACT, CAMELLIA SINENSIS (GREEN TEA)
LEAF EXTRACT, HYDROLYZED CONCHIOLIN (PEARL) PROTEIN, GLYCERIN, DEXTRIN, ALCOHOL,
PHENOXYETHANOL

@JeanLouiseFinch and @kr682 that's really interesting because during two of Vicki's early presentations today she made a specific point of saying that there was no talc in this product. I think she may have even added something about how talc wasn't a part of the product because some people found that it irritated their skin.

I don't know why but the second time she mentioned this, she sounded very determined... almost angry. It was a bit surprising. I wonder if she had just found out that talc had been listed (incorrectly?) in the QVC list of ingredients.

-- bebe

@JeanLouiseFinch and @kr682, this whole thing got me curious, so I just called QVC CS and asked them about the enzyme powder ingredients deck. lol, the CS rep started listing them -- using QVC's internal info guide -- and talc was not among the ingredients.

I asked her to look at the TSV page and she was surprised to find that talc was listed as the first ingredient. Then I told her what Vicki Tsai had been saying.

She's having someone look into it right now. Once they confirm the correct ingredients listing she expects their IT department to revise the listing hopefully fairly quickly.

Bottom line, it sure sounds as though there isn't any talc in the current enzyme powder.

-- bebe

Re: $50 for a discovery kit!

wishd4it — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 18:02:38 GMT

Here are the instructions for the Cleansing Oil direct from their website:

Begin with dry hands and a dry face. Apply 1-2 pumps into the palm of your hand and massage onto face, including around the eyes. Rinse off with warm water. The oil will emulsify into a milk and effortlessly melt away makeup and debris.