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Cellcosmet?

ElvisShops — Sat, 08 Aug 2015 17:44:20 GMT

Hi. Has/does anyone use this skincare line? It is insanely expensive, but I would love to hear your experiences with it.

Re: Cellcosmet?

UMDTerpFan — Sat, 08 Aug 2015 20:39:47 GMT

@ElvisShops wrote:
Hi. Has/does anyone use this skincare line? It is insanely expensive, but I would love to hear your experiences with it.

I got a sample of Ultra Vital & the Cell Lift serum at Saks earlier this week. It is way out of my budget, I actually didn't know how much it cost when I got the samples. The Ultra Vital seems nice so far but is too heavy for my skin for daytime. I would be interested in purchasing if it were a lot cheaper. Some sellers on Ebay are selling it cheaper but it's still very pricey plus at that cost, I'd worry about it being counterfit. Bushy just wrote a rave review on Esssential Day Spa's product review forum. I'd love to hear from other users too. What improvements they've seen in their skin and how long a container lasts.

Re: Cellcosmet?

BellaCarro — Sun, 09 Aug 2015 07:57:24 GMT

I've never tried it or run into it previously. I did find a list of ingredients but the site did not list any prices. Probably a good thing. The Ulta Lift has a very unremarkable ingredient deck. Don't feel you're missing out due to its expense. Looks to me like very good branding and not a lot else. It's not terrible but I wouldn't expect to pay more than $30 for a product with similar ingredients.

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ElvisShops — Sun, 09 Aug 2015 20:03:45 GMT

Thanks for your responses. This stuff would be out of my price range. I saw a serum that was maybe $360 -- small bottle -- on ebay.

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UMDTerpFan — Sun, 09 Aug 2015 22:46:52 GMT

@BellaCarro wrote:
I've never tried it or run into it previously. I did find a list of ingredients but the site did not list any prices. Probably a good thing. The Ulta Lift has a very unremarkable ingredient deck. Don't feel you're missing out due to its expense. Looks to me like very good branding and not a lot else. It's not terrible but I wouldn't expect to pay more than $30 for a product with similar ingredients.

Hi Bella, I got a pamphlet on the line and it says they use "active stabilised bio-integral cells obtained according to the CellControl (trademark) method", whatever that means. I was only able to find a partial ingredients list online when I looked at Cellcosmet's, Saks & Essential Day Spa's websites. I do have the boxes of samples with ingredients lists on them but the print is so small I'd need to magnify it 10 times to be able to read it. What I can make out on the Ultra Vital is as follows: Water, Hydrogenated Vegetable oil, Hydrolyzed Fibronectin, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Hydrolyzed Glychosaminoglycans, Propylene glycol, Hydrolyzed Actin, Decyl oleate, Glycerin, Cetearyl Ethylthexanoane, Ceteryl Alcohol, C12-20 Acid PEG-8 Ester, PPG-25-Laureth-25, PEG-5, Pentaerythrityl Ether, Fragrance, Cetyl Alcohol, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Glyceryl Sterate, Cetyl Palmitate, Glucose, Sodium Chloride, Methylparaban, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Simethicone, Tocopheryl Acetate, Propylparaben, Citric Acid, Magnesium, Chloride, Sodium-Hydroxide, Potassium Chloride, Ricinoleth-40. I had to wear 2 reading glasse to make that out . The print on the CellLift serum is even smaller so I'm not even going to give that a try until I can find a magnifying glass, LOL! I've never heard of some of these ingredients. What do you think?

Oh and 1.7 oz of Ultra Vital is $370 and 1 oz of CellLift serium is $495.

Re: Cellcosmet?

BellaCarro — Tue, 11 Aug 2015 01:11:54 GMT

@UMDTerpFan wrote:
@BellaCarro wrote:
I've never tried it or run into it previously. I did find a list of ingredients but the site did not list any prices. Probably a good thing. The Ulta Lift has a very unremarkable ingredient deck. Don't feel you're missing out due to its expense. Looks to me like very good branding and not a lot else. It's not terrible but I wouldn't expect to pay more than $30 for a product with similar ingredients.

Hi Bella, I got a pamphlet on the line and it says they use "active stabilised bio-integral cells obtained according to the CellControl (trademark) method", whatever that means. I was only able to find a partial ingredients list online when I looked at Cellcosmet's, Saks & Essential Day Spa's websites. I do have the boxes of samples with ingredients lists on them but the print is so small I'd need to magnify it 10 times to be able to read it. What I can make out on the Ultra Vital is as follows: Water, Hydrogenated Vegetable oil, Hydrolyzed Fibronectin, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Hydrolyzed Glychosaminoglycans, Propylene glycol, Hydrolyzed Actin, Decyl oleate, Glycerin, Cetearyl Ethylthexanoane, Ceteryl Alcohol, C12-20 Acid PEG-8 Ester, PPG-25-Laureth-25, PEG-5, Pentaerythrityl Ether, Fragrance, Cetyl Alcohol, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Glyceryl Sterate, Cetyl Palmitate, Glucose, Sodium Chloride, Methylparaban, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Simethicone, Tocopheryl Acetate, Propylparaben, Citric Acid, Magnesium, Chloride, Sodium-Hydroxide, Potassium Chloride, Ricinoleth-40. I had to wear 2 reading glasse to make that out . The print on the CellLift serum is even smaller so I'm not even going to give that a try until I can find a magnifying glass, LOL! I've never heard of some of these ingredients. What do you think?

Oh and 1.7 oz of Ultra Vital is $370 and 1 oz of CellLift serium is $495.

What do I think? I think I need to buy some fancy packaging, toss a formula in there and charge a fortune! But seriously, that is craziness. For that price I can not believe they would use some generic hydrogenated oil. Three hydrolyzed ingredients are proteins. Hydrolyzing them may reduce their water binding abilities which is basically what they are going to do. Glychosaminoglycans (GAGS) are one of three components of the dermis. They are a protein and sugar combination. They love to bind with water. Hyaluronic acid is a GAG and probably what this is. Ricinoleth-40 is an emulsifier/solubulizer made from castor oil. I've heard of it as a preservative before but I've never seen it used as one. Looks like that is what they are doing here.

The rest of the ingredients are very, very inexpensive emollients, emulsifier, skin feel enhancers, and preservatives. They seem to have used quite a few preservatives. I guess to preserve all of the proteins. Not sure I'd buy this one at $30 let alone over $300!

Re: Cellcosmet?

BellaCarro — Tue, 11 Aug 2015 01:16:41 GMT

@ElvisShops I think I needed to use the @ElvisShops to alert you of a response?!

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nellsmom — Tue, 11 Aug 2015 03:20:58 GMT

Both my husband and I tried several products from the Cellcosmet line a couple of years ago. We purchased the full-sized products, so we had ample time to decide if we liked the line. We purchased face, eye, and body products.

We both found the products to be much too heavy for our skin (we are both in our 50's, and I have combination skin with menopausal issues, and my husband has very dry skin). I actually broke out and had major problems with milia after using this line. My husband experinced clogged pores and skin congestion as well. I remember thinking that my skin actually looked worse after these products than it had in years

I even tried the CellBust XT cream for the two months as directed and saw absolutely no results. I have had better results with Clarins body products.

As for the facial creams, I have had much better and consistent results with Kate Somerville and other lower-priced (comparatively speaking) lines. My husband still prefers Kiehl's.

I would definitely sample the line before committing to full-sized products like we did. I think if you have very dry skin, they might work, but I just found them to be suffocating to my skin. Best wishes to you.

Re: Cellcosmet?

UMDTerpFan — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:07:40 GMT

@BellaCarro wrote:
@UMDTerpFan wrote:
@BellaCarro wrote:
I've never tried it or run into it previously. I did find a list of ingredients but the site did not list any prices. Probably a good thing. The Ulta Lift has a very unremarkable ingredient deck. Don't feel you're missing out due to its expense. Looks to me like very good branding and not a lot else. It's not terrible but I wouldn't expect to pay more than $30 for a product with similar ingredients.

Hi Bella, I got a pamphlet on the line and it says they use "active stabilised bio-integral cells obtained according to the CellControl (trademark) method", whatever that means. I was only able to find a partial ingredients list online when I looked at Cellcosmet's, Saks & Essential Day Spa's websites. I do have the boxes of samples with ingredients lists on them but the print is so small I'd need to magnify it 10 times to be able to read it. What I can make out on the Ultra Vital is as follows: Water, Hydrogenated Vegetable oil, Hydrolyzed Fibronectin, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Hydrolyzed Glychosaminoglycans, Propylene glycol, Hydrolyzed Actin, Decyl oleate, Glycerin, Cetearyl Ethylthexanoane, Ceteryl Alcohol, C12-20 Acid PEG-8 Ester, PPG-25-Laureth-25, PEG-5, Pentaerythrityl Ether, Fragrance, Cetyl Alcohol, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Glyceryl Sterate, Cetyl Palmitate, Glucose, Sodium Chloride, Methylparaban, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Simethicone, Tocopheryl Acetate, Propylparaben, Citric Acid, Magnesium, Chloride, Sodium-Hydroxide, Potassium Chloride, Ricinoleth-40. I had to wear 2 reading glasse to make that out . The print on the CellLift serum is even smaller so I'm not even going to give that a try until I can find a magnifying glass, LOL! I've never heard of some of these ingredients. What do you think?

Oh and 1.7 oz of Ultra Vital is $370 and 1 oz of CellLift serium is $495.
What do I think? I think I need to buy some fancy packaging, toss a formula in there and charge a fortune! But seriously, that is craziness. For that price I can not believe they would use some generic hydrogenated oil. Three hydrolyzed ingredients are proteins. Hydrolyzing them may reduce their water binding abilities which is basically what they are going to do. Glychosaminoglycans (GAGS) are one of three components of the dermis. They are a protein and sugar combination. They love to bind with water. Hyaluronic acid is a GAG and probably what this is. Ricinoleth-40 is an emulsifier/solubulizer made from castor oil. I've heard of it as a preservative before but I've never seen it used as one. Looks like that is what they are doing here.

The rest of the ingredients are very, very inexpensive emollients, emulsifier, skin feel enhancers, and preservatives. They seem to have used quite a few preservatives. I guess to preserve all of the proteins. Not sure I'd buy this one at $30 let alone over $300!

Thanks Bella Caro, I appreciate your evaluation of the product & its ingredients. Can you make a recomendati for a moisturizer that has a lot of effective ingredients in it? I'm out of my daytime moisturizer and didn't plan to repurchase what I was using because I bought it twice stepply discounted and I can't find it close to that proce anymore plus it didn't really absorb that well anyway. So I'm looking for something new to try. TIA.

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UMDTerpFan — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:12:26 GMT

@nellsmom wrote:
Both my husband and I tried several products from the Cellcosmet line a couple of years ago. We purchased the full-sized products, so we had ample time to decide if we liked the line. We purchased face, eye, and body products.

We both found the products to be much too heavy for our skin (we are both in our 50's, and I have combination skin with menopausal issues, and my husband has very dry skin). I actually broke out and had major problems with milia after using this line. My husband experinced clogged pores and skin congestion as well. I remember thinking that my skin actually looked worse after these products than it had in years

I even tried the CellBust XT cream for the two months as directed and saw absolutely no results. I have had better results with Clarins body products.

As for the facial creams, I have had much better and consistent results with Kate Somerville and other lower-priced (comparatively speaking) lines. My husband still prefers Kiehl's.

I would definitely sample the line before committing to full-sized products like we did. I think if you have very dry skin, they might work, but I just found them to be suffocating to my skin. Best wishes to you.

Thanks for your review. I got a sample of one of the creams last week and it is too heavy for my 60 year old combination skin. I was using it only at night but last night I saw the tell tale signs of a red raised rashy breakout beginning on my checks due to dimethicone in the product. That's how my skin always reacts to dimethicone unfortunately. So it's a no go for me for all the above reasons plus the cost of the product being so high.

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ElvisShops — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 02:22:21 GMT

Based on what I'm reading here, it would seem that NOT trying Cellcosmet is NOT a loss.

Re: Cellcosmet?

BellaCarro — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 07:51:42 GMT

@UMDTerpFan. That is a tough call. It really depends on what you want to achieve. If I'm not formulating my own these days my first go to is still NCN skincare. Nanci, the owner, seems to put a lot of thought and care into the formulas. I wish she she would use packaging that did not allow so much air to hit the product but few do. I also remain an Isomers fan.

A moisturizer should include water to hydrate, oil(s) as emollient, a humectant to pull water to your skin(glycerin, sodium lactate, sodium PCA, hyaluronic acid...) and something to prevent trans epidermal water loss (TEWL). Most proteins are film formers and will do that (wheat, oat proteins, silk amino acids to name just a few). Dimethicone, allantoin, and cocoa butter are the three big occlusives but they can get heavy. Of course, you then get into the additives. Some are great, some are good, some okay, some complete baloney, and some downright a bad idea.

I absolutely am thrilled with results I get from niacinimide and n-acetyl glucosamine mixed with 1% hyaluronic acid solution and sea kelp bioferment. My skin is bright and clear. Niacinimide and n-acetyl glucosamine are in the category of great, IMO. Oh, and the oils! I could go on and on about them. Current favs are hemp, rice bran, babassu, and soy.

Not sure if that helped you at all. I have been amazed to learn how much price has nothing to do with quality of ingredients. o

Re: Cellcosmet?

UMDTerpFan — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 14:27:16 GMT

@BellaCarro wrote:
@UMDTerpFan. That is a tough call. It really depends on what you want to achieve. If I'm not formulating my own these days my first go to is still NCN skincare. Nanci, the owner, seems to put a lot of thought and care into the formulas. I wish she she would use packaging that did not allow so much air to hit the product but few do. I also remain an Isomers fan.

A moisturizer should include water to hydrate, oil(s) as emollient, a humectant to pull water to your skin(glycerin, sodium lactate, sodium PCA, hyaluronic acid...) and something to prevent trans epidermal water loss (TEWL). Most proteins are film formers and will do that (wheat, oat proteins, silk amino acids to name just a few). Dimethicone, allantoin, and cocoa butter are the three big occlusives but they can get heavy. Of course, you then get into the additives. Some are great, some are good, some okay, some complete baloney, and some downright a bad idea.

I absolutely am thrilled with results I get from niacinimide and n-acetyl glucosamine mixed with 1% hyaluronic acid solution and sea kelp bioferment. My skin is bright and clear. Niacinimide and n-acetyl glucosamine are in the category of great, IMO. Oh, and the oils! I could go on and on about them. Current favs are hemp, rice bran, babassu, and soy.

Not sure if that helped you at all. I have been amazed to learn how much price has nothing to do with quality of ingredients. o

@BellaCarro, I am a fan of NCN. I believe their Multi peptide Matrixyl serum is the best on the market. I usually buy the sample size and use it on my lines and upper eye lids. I've used Isomers Wrinkle Viper and the other matrixyl serum they have, PTR's Unwrinkle Turbo serum along with many others and NCN's remains my favorite and IMHO the most effective. I also like their DNA serum, have purchased it several times as well. I was considering trying their Multiactive Accelerator cream as my daily moisturizer. Just received an order and am trying their Trans Retinol serum for the first time. The only product that I didn't care for was the Vitamin C with Glutathione. For my skin, I thought it was too thick and didn't absorb well plus my skin doesn't seem to like glutathione much. But there is a lot in the line I haven't tried yet.

So do you make your own moisturizer or do you add the actives into a purchased moisturizer? I have bought stuff from SkinActives and added it to moisturizers and I've also bought several SkinActives premade moisturizers & treatments that I liked as well.

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BellaCarro — Thu, 13 Aug 2015 14:36:11 GMT

@UMDTerpFan. I love the Multiactive Accelerator from NCN. Just finished a jar. But, I also like her C serum. I just bought some MAP and am going to try my own.

Yes, I am making my own. What started out as taking a class at a local community art center for body lotions, etc. has morphed into full scale chemistry lessons! Complete with Erlenmeyer flasks, beakers, scales that measure to .001 grams, chemicals, preservatives, additives, oils and butters galore. I even now own a used lab homogenizer and used lab overhead stirrer. My family calls me Mrs. White. My friends call me more often

I'm now signed up for a five month cosmetic chemistry class. There are a few things I just can't seem to master like some clear serums and gels. I get assistance from some cosmetic chemist forums but they are over my head sometimes. Plus, I don't have access to everything they do and I want to be careful not to pester too much. They like you to figure it out yourself and then ask them when it needs tweaking.

If you are adding to a base just be careful. I've learned there are many ingredients that don't play well together. They can cancel out each other, destroy the emulsification, or worse render the preservative system useless. Then nasties will grow and they are nasty and can cause harm before you see or smell anything growing. If you really want to add your own look at LotionCrafters. They have much better prices than SkinActives.

And never, never ever buy anything from anyone that contains water or anything water based that does not have a preservative. Add to the never - never buy sunscreen by a home crafter.