topic Re: Borghese/Perlier in Beauty

Borghese/Perlier

MyShadowLove — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:44:08 GMT

I remember several years ago when this line was presented on QVC and I loved their products!...I actually had the opportunity of talking to Skip over the phone, personally, and he was wonderful!

Eventually, I strayed away to other skincare lines...Recently, in my search for a really good eye cream (my eyes tend to be very sensitive to most that I have tried), I found that the Borghese Advanced Spa Lift For Eyes is highly rated as one of the best, so I would like to give it a try, as well as other products in this line...reintroduce myself back into this line.

Anyone here use their products?...I would love to hear your reviews...Also, are Borghese and Perlier all one in the same and made by the same company?...I'm a little confused as to this?...What stores carry these lines?

Thanks so much for your help!

Re: Borghese/Perlier

cosmic1 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:06:52 GMT

I believe the original Borghese family (Skip and his sister, her name escapes me for the moment) sold Borghese to another company. Since they were not allowed to use the name, they created Perlier.

Borghese is sold on Evine (formerly ShopHQ) and Perlier is sold on HSN. I have products from both and love them!

Re: Borghese/Perlier

betteb — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:13:23 GMT

Amanda is the sister in law to Marcella Borghese, the creator the the original Borghese line.

Re: Borghese/Perlier

AngelLove2 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:14:18 GMT

Skip's sister is Elaria. His brother, Lorenzo, sells pet products on HSN called Royal Treatment. I really like all their products. I think Perlier is on this Saturday.

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Andreatoo — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:27:23 GMT

I love my Borghese products though they're only the cleansers and makeup; not the skincare. I purchased a TSV a while back that was a truly amazing eyeshadow palette that came with some other items and I am continuing to purchase the makeup remover Delicato. It's wonderful.

And while I prefer the Korres over the Perlier shower gels I am in love with the Caribbean Vanilla set I purchased from Perlier! the scent is intoxicating!

Re: Borghese/Perlier

MyShadowLove — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:36:17 GMT

cosmic1...So, even though Borghese has been sold to another company, you are still finding their products to be of the same great quality and the Borghese family then created a new name for their products?...Confusing, as to why they sold their family name in the first place?

I am home today involved in a couple of projects, so I will be back and forth checking the replies...multi-tasking at its best! lol

Thanks so much!

Re: Borghese/Perlier

MyShadowLove — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:42:28 GMT

betteb, AngelLove2, Andreatoo...I just saw your replies after posting to cosmic1.

Thanks so much! I am anxious to order some of their products and reunite with them again!

All input is very helpful and much appreciated!

Re: Borghese/Perlier

cosmic1 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:47:17 GMT

On 2/25/2015 wildflowers said:
cosmic1...So, even though Borghese has been sold to another company, you are still finding their products to be of the same great quality and the Borghese family then created a new name for their products?...Confusing, as to why they sold their family name in the first place?

I am home today involved in a couple of projects, so I will be back and forth checking the replies...multi-tasking at its best! lol

Thanks so much!

I would say yes; I was always a fan of the makeup, so I bought both blush and eye shadow from Borghese on Evine and it was just the same as I remember it. I also bought the TSV of masks they had and love them. I never used them in the past though, so I cannot compare.

I think the same thing happened with Adrienne Arpel; she sold her company and the new owners kept the name, so now she has to use a different one for her new company. Part of the value of Borghese is in the name and all the brand associations that it carries. That usually factors into the purchase price and I can understand why the new owner would not want to give up the name or have to compete with another company using the Borghese name. Confusing, it certainly is.

Re: Borghese/Perlier

virgosun — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 18:07:55 GMT

I bought a skincare kit from Borghese on Shophq that included one of my absolute favorite products, Bagno di Vita bath gel. It came in a very large bottle ( with pump) and I use it whenever I shower (often mixing in some Korres bath gel). It is a bright turquoise color, smells like the sea at the Isle of Capri and makes you feel like you are having a fabulous spa treatment! Totally crazy about this gel!!!

Re: Borghese/Perlier

suzyQ3 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 19:38:49 GMT

I think the only sales were when Borghese sold the rights to Revlon in 1976 and then again in 1992 when Revlon sold the company to the current owner. Perlier has been the owner of its line since its inception. Here is the back story of the conflict:

Not just anyone can lay claim to the name Borghese, carried by the Italian noble family that has included rulers, philosophers and even a pope. Perhaps not even the Borgheses themselves.

The issue over who may use the Borghese history, at least for marketing purposes, is at the center of one of the most contentious lawsuits facing trial in New York courts this summer.

On one side of the case is Borghese Inc., a company founded by Princess Marcella Borghese and Revlon in the 1950s, which has developed into a well-known cosmetics brand.

Borghese Inc. is now run by Georgette Mosbacher, a prominent Republican fund-raiser and author of books like “It Takes Money, Honey,” and its investors include members of the Saudi royal family.

On the other side of the case are actual Borgheses: Princess Marcella’s son Francesco; his wife, Amanda; and his two sons Scipione and Lorenzo, the latter probably best known as the charming prince on “The Bachelor,” the ABC reality show. The Borgheses have a beauty line, as well, which they sell on the Home Shopping Network, and Lorenzo has a line of products for pets called “The Royal Treatment.”

None of the products are sold under the family name, but their marketing does play up the Borgheses’ noble lineage. Borghese Inc. says that the heritage isn’t theirs to capitalize on anymore, and is suing the Borgheses and demanding that they stop referring to their family history or drawing any links to it during the promotion or sale of any products.

“This is no different than if any other brand name with a surname like Lauder, McDonald, Heinz, Gallo, Ferragamo were to take steps as they do to stop others from using their intellectual property rights,” said Mark N. Mutterperl, the lawyer representing Borghese Inc. “Our client is not a company that runs around suing people every day.” (Ms. Mosbacher and the company declined to comment.)

The lawsuit, which was first filed in July 2010 and faces pretrial deadlines on Friday, has already proved so costly that Judge J. Paul Oetken, the Federal District Court judge handling the case, compared it to the Jarndyce v. Jarndyce lawsuit in Charles Dickens’s “Bleak House.” In an April 29 ruling, he said he would not offer further extensions and set plans for a trial in July “or August at the latest.”

Mark Evens, the lawyer representing the Borghese descendants, agrees that the case should be expedited.

“It has gone too long,” Mr. Evens said. The company suing the family “has suffered no harm. No dilution of their mark. No counterfeiting. No palming off. That’s the tragedy here.”

And Francesco Borghese, Princess Marcella’s son, says he is especially troubled by being sued since he said he had essentially retired from his own cosmetics company a decade ago. “The last thing I needed was a lawsuit at the tender age of 72,” said Mr. Borghese, who will turn 75 in December. “I was just trying to build a business and give something to my children.”

Lorenzo Borghese has been the most visible member of the family. Since his appearance on “The Bachelor” in 2006, he has been spotted with New York socialites like Georgina Bloomberg, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg’s daughter, and Tinsley Mortimer. And his historical novel “The Princess of Nowhere,” about the stormy marriage of one of his ancestors to Napoleon’s sister, Pauline Bonaparte Borghese, was published in 2010.

“What are they going to get from us? They are not going to get our history,” Lorenzo Borghese said over lunch at Bottega del Vino in Midtown Manhattan. “They believe they own my family’s history for everything.”

Kenneth L. Port, a law professor and director of the Intellectual Property Institute at the William Mitchell College of Law in St. Paul, Minn., said there were a growing number of disputes like this in the courts.

He cited the dispute between North Face and Jimmy Winkelmann, a 16-year-old who started a clothing line called South Butt and North Face. Chick-fil-A sued a Vermont folk artist over a trademark to the phrase “Eat More Kale,” which the company argues overlaps with its slogan “Eat More Chicken.”

“We’re seeing a growth because trademark owners are finding that the more kind of bullying conduct they do, the more the trademark is worth,” Mr. Port said. “They think they have to act like a bully to get the trademark stronger.”

But David S. Welkowitz, a law professor at Whittier Law School in Costa Mesa, Calif., said the Borghese case could not be considered bullying because “the Borghese family sold their rights to the name.”

For decades, the Borghese family and the Borghese cosmetics business coexisted with little dispute.

In 1976, Revlon bought the rights, title and interest to the Borghese cosmetics brand, including what court papers said were “the words and phrases BORGHESE, MARCELLA BORGHESE, PRINCESS MARCELLA BORGHESE.” In 1992, Revlon sold the Borghese company and Ms. Mosbacher became its chief executive and soon reached an agreement with the family for final payments, which also is a matter of dispute.

Over the years, Princess Marcella’s descendants carved out their own niches in the beauty business.

Francesco started his own line of beauty products in the early 1980s in the United States under names like Orlane, Perlier and Elariia, and starting in the 1990s, the family began appearing on the home shopping channel QVC and then, later, on HSN.

Relations with Borghese Inc., which is privately held, started to sour in 2006 when Lorenzo Borghese started working with ABC about possibly appearing on “The Bachelor.” Mr. Borghese contacted the company about serving as a consultant. The television program filmed a scene in the offices of Borghese Inc.

But after ABC issued a news release in 2006 that mentioned Lorenzo’s grandmother and said she had “started the famed self-named cosmetics line, Borghese Inc.,” Ms. Mosbacher wrote to Mr. Borghese warning him against “causing any false impression in the marketplace that there is a connection or relationship between yourself and Borghese Inc. and our cosmetics products.”

In 2008, the companies came to blows again when Lorenzo applied for a federal trademark for a line of pet shampoos and conditioners called “La Dolce Vita by Prince Lorenzo Borghese” for PetSmart. Borghese Inc. contested the trademark. As the trademark neared approval in 2010, Borghese Inc. sued.

The Borgheses say they are reaching their financial limits and have paid $4 million in legal fees. But Lorenzo Borghese says the case is worth pursuing for the family name.

“They don’t even want us to mention that we are the family,” he said.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/business/borghese-v-borghese-battle-for-a-royal-name.html?pagewanted=all

Re: Borghese/Perlier

MyShadowLove — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 19:40:52 GMT

virgosun...I will also check into their bath gels/creams, etc...I do remember, when using a few of their products several years ago, they had an Almond bath cream and body lotion, I believe, which I loved, so I will check for those again too.

Thank you, everyone, for answering my questions and sharing your personal experiences with Borghese/Perlier!...I went online to the Borghese website and also checked out the evine website...I have never watched nor shopped with evine...They have a four piece 'Great Beginnings" kit (309-268) which contains four separate products, one being the eye care product, in its full size, that I want to try out...The price is $49 ($6.99 s&h) which is a great deal!...The Eye Cream alone would have cost me $47.50, so this kit will be a great way for me to be able to try out a few of their other products also!

This Northeast Winter has been a challenge on our skin and, everything is holding up well, except for my poor under eye area which can't seem to get enough moisture and really tends to be very sensitive to eye care products...I do have cucumber eye pads that are so refreshing and moisturizing, if only I could keep them on my eyes throughout the entire day! lol

I'm off to place my order!...Wishing Everyone A Great Day!

ETa: suzyQ3...You snuck up on me...I just noticed your post!...A very interesting read and helps to understand the confusion as to why the Borghese family would even sell their family name and have to go on to use another name...I will go back and read again...Thanks for posting this information!...Wow, what a sad mess!

Re: Borghese/Perlier

UMDTerpFan — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 20:36:57 GMT

Borghese is also sold at Bloomingdales & Lord & Taylor.

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MyShadowLove — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 21:06:41 GMT

On 2/25/2015 UMDTerpFan said:
Borghese is also sold at Bloomingdales & Lord & Taylor.

Great! I have a Lord & Taylor only about 30 minutes from where I live!...I did check a couple of other stores in my area, but their supply is limited on what they carry in this line.

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Susan25 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 21:10:19 GMT

On 2/25/2015 AngelLove2 said: Skip's sister is Elaria. His brother, Lorenzo, sells pet products on HSN called Royal Treatment. I really like all their products. I think Perlier is on this Saturday.

I don't always buy but Perlier products are definitely one of my favorite bath and body products. Since I always receive bath and body products as gifts I have a few to use before I buy anything new.

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betteb — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 22:45:37 GMT

On 2/25/2015 virgosun said:
I bought a skincare kit from Borghese on Shophq that included one of my absolute favorite products, Bagno di Vita bath gel. It came in a very large bottle ( with pump) and I use it whenever I shower (often mixing in some Korres bath gel). It is a bright turquoise color, smells like the sea at the Isle of Capri and makes you feel like you are having a fabulous spa treatment! Totally crazy about this gel!!!

I love that stuff!! Also Spa Lift for Eyes, Splendid Mani, Tono Body Cream and Fango Mud. Very nice lipsticks and eye shadows as well.

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Harpa — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 01:16:43 GMT

The Perlier I really like is the Honey Miel, which I use just on my neck area.

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KateChopin — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 03:00:51 GMT

I don't use the skin care, but I have been touting the 50 Percent Shea (Honey) Miel body cream for years! It is the best body cream I have used.

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UMDTerpFan — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 04:58:12 GMT

On 2/25/2015 wildflowers said:
On 2/25/2015 UMDTerpFan said:
Borghese is also sold at Bloomingdales & Lord & Taylor.

Great! I have a Lord & Taylor only about 30 minutes from where I live!...I did check a couple of other stores in my area, but their supply is limited on what they carry in this line.

I did see it in the store close to me but not certain if it is in every store. They also carry it online.

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KarenQVC — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 06:26:42 GMT

If the family sold the name, they should just have to keep it out of the titles of the products.

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Chisos — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 06:38:58 GMT

I have always been tempted by this line...Is it good for dry skin & mature skin? I would also appreciate any suggestions from anyone who has used Borghese.