topic Re: Animal testing in Beauty

Animal testing

gonnab — Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:54:42 GMT

I try very hard to avoid products from companies that do animal testing. Sometimes it's a challenge and you get conflicting info. i.e. - Paula posts a list of companies that test on animals, one of which is "Caudalie". I use their products, love them, and their website clearly states that they do not test on or use any animal byproducts. Who to believe? Where can I get accurate information? I seem to lean toward foreign manufacturers since they use more organic and natural products - like Korres, Perlier, Clarins. All these companies' websites are clear in that they are very environmentally and socially responsive, using only organic and natural products. But I can't find anything about animal testing.

Re: Animal testing

cairnlover — Wed, 03 Dec 2014 17:00:41 GMT

Go to Leaping Bunny web site. They list all companies that do not test on animals. You can also request a pocket guide which I have. It is handy when shopping to ck to see if a company tests on animals. Good luck!

Re: Animal testing

JeanLouiseFinch — Wed, 03 Dec 2014 18:06:49 GMT

I think I'd be more prone to trust the actual company's website info as Paula's research could be outdated. You could also email a particular company and ask them.

Re: Animal testing

Danishgal — Wed, 03 Dec 2014 18:30:12 GMT

Companies that sell their products in Chine are considered as ones who test on animals. There are changes being made, hopefully in the near future, that will end this policy, but I stlll won't purchase from a company that was willing to test on animals to make money by selling in China.

Re: Animal testing

Naryn — Wed, 03 Dec 2014 19:14:57 GMT

One of my favorite websites to check for this is MyBeautyBunny . com You will find a drop down menu from the top under cruelty free resources that reads Cruelty Free Brands. Scroll down and you will find a few choices to select depending on what you are looking for. There is also a list of companies that sell in China now, and therefore require testing. Korres made that list sometime in the past year I believe. This list is kept current and has lots of big name companies as well as small indie brands.

Re: Animal testing

suzyQ3 — Wed, 03 Dec 2014 19:29:19 GMT

On 12/3/2014 JeanLouiseFinch said:
I think I'd be more prone to trust the actual company's website info as Paula's research could be outdated. You could also email a particular company and ask them.

In this case, the reverse might be true. I found the following on uncaged.co.uk.:

More recently (in 2012) several previously cruelty-free companies (Caudalie, L’occitane, Yves Rocher) returned to testing on animals in order to sell their products in China and Russia – where they demand animal data.

Re: Animal testing

Lise P — Wed, 03 Dec 2014 22:27:25 GMT

There is a FREE phone app called Cruelty-Free that you can download to your phone. I hope this is helpful.

Re: Animal testing

gonnab — Wed, 03 Dec 2014 22:33:01 GMT

Thanks for the websites. Boy, China has us on a leash, don't they? They certainly control the market on everything. I was disappointed to see some companies listed that I thought were cruelty-free. I don't understand the logic behind the requirement that cosmetic sold in China had to be animal-tested.???

Re: Animal testing

justathought — Wed, 03 Dec 2014 23:24:13 GMT

Not only beauty products. Iams dog food uses test animals, the dogs live in cages.

Re: Animal testing

aprilskies — Wed, 03 Dec 2014 23:31:38 GMT

I hope Caudalie is okay. I am trying them for the first time so I am hoping they dont test on animals. I ordered some from Sephora and thought I read in their description not tested on animals. But I dont remember now as I was looking at a few things. I try my best to avoid those products. I cant believe that is still going on.

Re: Animal testing

aprilskies — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 00:21:53 GMT

Ugh, everything I looked up regarding Caudalie states animal testing. They now sell in China it seems. I was looking forward in trying their products. The description on Sephora does state cruelty free. Not sure how they can state that unless they dont keep up with the changes in status. I am so disappointed. I try my best not to support these companies.

Re: Animal testing

magemay — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 01:17:49 GMT

It looks like Caudalie was removed from the cruelty free list, unfortunately, because they sell to China.

Here's an inquiry and Caudalie' s response:

http://www.crueltyfreekitty.com/does-caudalie-test-on-animals/

I read that Korres pulled out of China, I can't remember the source, but the ones that I read I find to be trustworthy. So, to Korres if that's true.

ETA, here it is, same source for Korres:

http://www.crueltyfreekitty.com/does-korres-test-on-animals/

Re: Animal testing

Danishgal — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 01:58:00 GMT

Korres is part of Johnson & Johnson--- huge animal testers.

Re: Animal testing

magemay — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 02:15:44 GMT

On 12/3/2014 Danish Gal said: Korres is part of Johnson & Johnson--- huge animal testers.

Apparently they cut ties. You an c/p into your browser. Interesting read:

http://www.crueltyfreekitty.com/does-korres-test-on-animals/

Re: Animal testing

Danishgal — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 02:24:52 GMT

Magemay--Wow, I see the bloggers statement. Checking their Facebook page and will call them tomorrow if there is nothing on Facebook. Have you actually spoken to cutomer srevice?This ia awesome news as i very regretfully dropped Korres a couple of years ago when I learned about J & J.

Re: Animal testing

magemay — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 02:50:24 GMT

On 12/3/2014 Danish Gal said: Magemay--Wow, I see the bloggers statement. Checking their Facebook page and will call them tomorrow if there is nothing on Facebook. Have you actually spoken to cutomer srevice?This ia awesome news as i very regretfully dropped Korres a couple of years ago when I learned about J & J.

My daughter dropped them too and she's excited about the changes. I have to say, I respect Korres for what they have done, they made some huge business decisions.

I haven't contacted their CS, I trust some of the bloggers, like cruelty free kitty, logical harmony, etc., they seem to be very invested and do a good job at pressing these companies for accurate info.

If you find anything more, please post. TIA

Re: Animal testing

BesottedwithEskies — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 02:53:41 GMT

On 12/3/2014 cairnlover said:
Go to Leaping Bunny web site. They list all companies that do not test on animals. You can also request a pocket guide which I have. It is handy when shopping to ck to see if a company tests on animals. Good luck!

Great advise, thanks

Re: Animal testing

mosky — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 02:54:38 GMT

I hears that Philosophy tests on animals...Is this true?

Re: Animal testing

Caitlinh429 — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 04:16:08 GMT

On 12/3/2014 mosky said:
I hears that Philosophy tests on animals...Is this true?

Yes. Their parent company ""denies"" animal testing however they do sell in China. This blogger goes more in deep about Philosophy's parent company Coty.

Re: Animal testing

KateChopin — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 06:13:18 GMT

Yes---I think the problem comes when they decide to sell in China---which requires it.