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Difference in Matrixyls???

Beautybuster — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:03:44 GMT

I'm on the fence about isomers TTV . I love and use all of their serums but just purchased the last TTV with the Matrixyl 20%. What is the difference between all the Matrixyls. I don't really need or will I use anything else in the kit. Most all of the moisturizers break me out. Is the blend of the 3 Matrixyls really worth it? Does it make that much of a difference? Thanks in advance for your help!

Re: Difference in Matrixyls???

gazelle77 — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:08:15 GMT

I think Isomers is just getting too many products... it gets to the point where I just turn her off with all the explanations of what does what and this and that and bla bla bla. I use Matrixyl.... but to need three different ones in a kit? Forget it.

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Beautybuster — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:21:15 GMT

I love her and her products. I just want to simplify. I have so many brown bottles! Can't I just have one serum in am and one for the pm that has everything in it I need? Lol I don't think that's asking too much!

Re: Difference in Matrixyls???

lyn in MI — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:26:39 GMT

On 10/24/2014 beautybuster said: I'm on the fence about isomers TTV . I love and use all of their serums but just purchased the last TTV with the Matrixyl 20%. What is the difference between all the Matrixyls. I don't really need or will I use anything else in the kit. Most all of the moisturizers break me out. Is the blend of the 3 Matrixyls really worth it? Does it make that much of a difference? Thanks in advance for your help!

All 3 Matrixyls were created by Sederma. The first Matrixyl is now a patented ingredient of P & G, however, Isomer was grandfathered in, so they can still use the ingredient. After Sederma gave P & G the exclusive rights to Matrixyl, they launched Matrixyl 3000 and most recently Matrixyl Synthe 6. If you go to Sederma.com you can check out the differences between the ingredients.

Re: Difference in Matrixyls???

Beautybuster — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 17:08:24 GMT

Hello Lyn!!! How are you??? You know this is all your fault!!! Lol but thank you!!!! I guess my question is do I need both products? The matrixyl 20% and the one in the TTV???

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Cookie777 — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 17:09:19 GMT

Has anyone noticed an improvement since using this? Is it a must have?

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Beautybuster — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 17:16:23 GMT

I also can't tell what peptides from senderma are in the isomers serum?

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Beautybuster — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 17:18:43 GMT

I noticed a big boost to my skincare using the 20% Matrixyl in the past. Not so much this time around on the huge vat I just purchased on a previous TTV. I was hoping this would last me for awhile. My skin may just be getting all it needs and I may need an extra boost of something else. Always loved the ARC serum too.

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Beautybuster — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 17:21:05 GMT

Persephonel...let me add one of the reason I do use the matrixyl is because I can not use retinoids which are suppose to be the best arsenal for aging skin. So this is the next best thing for super sensitive skin.

Re: Difference in Matrixyls???

lyn in MI — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 18:00:17 GMT

On 10/24/2014 beautybuster said: Hello Lyn!!! How are you??? You know this is all your fault!!! Lol but thank you!!!! I guess my question is do I need both products? The matrixyl 20% and the one in the TTV???

(Waving hello!). Good to "see" you. We are good, how about you?

IMO, there is no reason to cocktail/layer both. I'd use one or the other formulation, or if I had both, I'd alternate them and use today's TTV in the AM and the Matrixyl 20% serum in the PM.

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suzyQ3 — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 18:00:28 GMT

On 10/24/2014 lyn in MI said:
On 10/24/2014 beautybuster said: I'm on the fence about isomers TTV . I love and use all of their serums but just purchased the last TTV with the Matrixyl 20%. What is the difference between all the Matrixyls. I don't really need or will I use anything else in the kit. Most all of the moisturizers break me out. Is the blend of the 3 Matrixyls really worth it? Does it make that much of a difference? Thanks in advance for your help!
All 3 Matrixyls were created by Sederma. The first Matrixyl is now a patented ingredient of P & G, however, Isomer was grandfathered in, so they can still use the ingredient. After Sederma gave P & G the exclusive rights to Matrixyl, they launched Matrixyl 3000 and most recently Matrixyl Synthe 6. If you go to Sederma.com you can check out the differences between the ingredients.

Lyn, I'm unclear about this statement. Are you suggesting that only Isomer can use the first Matrixyl? Because the NCN Matrixyl serum that I use has all three versions.

Re: Difference in Matrixyls???

lyn in MI — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 18:11:00 GMT

On 10/24/2014 beautybuster said: I also can't tell what peptides from senderma are in the isomers serum?

Matrixyl™ Advanced Wrinkle Defense Serum:
Aqua/Water/Eau, Linum Usitatissimum (Linseed) Seed Extract, Glycerin, Butylene Glycol, Carbomer, Polysorbate 20, Palmitoyl Pentapeptide-4, Palmitoyl Oligopeptide, Palmitoyl Tetrapeptide-7, Hydroxypropyl Cyclodextrin, Palmitoyl Tripeptide-38, Sodium Hyaluronate, Phenoxyethanol, Tropolone.

Matrixyl INCI Name = Glycerin (and) Water (and) Butylene Glycol (and) Carbomer (and) Polysorbate 20 (and) Palmitoyl Pentapeptide-4
Matrixyl 3000 INCI Name = Glycerin – Aqua (Water) – Butylene Glycol – Carbomer – Polysorbate 20 – Palmitoyl Oligopeptide – Palmitoyl Tetrapeptide-7
Matrixyl Synthe 6 INCI Name = Glycerin – Water (Aqua) – Hydroxypropyl Cyclodextrin – Palmitoyl Tripeptide-38

Re: Difference in Matrixyls???

lyn in MI — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 18:15:09 GMT

On 10/24/2014 suzyQ3 said:
On 10/24/2014 lyn in MI said:
On 10/24/2014 beautybuster said: I'm on the fence about isomers TTV . I love and use all of their serums but just purchased the last TTV with the Matrixyl 20%. What is the difference between all the Matrixyls. I don't really need or will I use anything else in the kit. Most all of the moisturizers break me out. Is the blend of the 3 Matrixyls really worth it? Does it make that much of a difference? Thanks in advance for your help!
All 3 Matrixyls were created by Sederma. The first Matrixyl is now a patented ingredient of P & G, however, Isomer was grandfathered in, so they can still use the ingredient. After Sederma gave P & G the exclusive rights to Matrixyl, they launched Matrixyl 3000 and most recently Matrixyl Synthe 6. If you go to Sederma.com you can check out the differences between the ingredients.

Lyn, I'm unclear about this statement. Are you suggesting that only Isomer can use the first Matrixyl? Because the NCN Matrixyl serum that I use has all three versions.

No. I am saying that Isomers was grandfathered into the agreement between Sederma and P & G and that is the reason they can continue to formulate with it. I have no idea who else was grandfathered into that agreement. If NCN is formulating with Matrixyl, they were either grandfathered in by Sederma, or they are buying the ingredient from another supplier who was grandfathered in.

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fromallover — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:12:56 GMT

In the agreement with P&G over the original Matrixyl (not 3000 or Synthe'6) Sederma was only allowed to continue selling SMALL amounts of the raw Matrixyl ingredient to other companies. The exception is companies like Isomers who were already formulating with it before the agreement was put in place. Those companies were allowed to continue to purchase the larger amounts directly from Sederma without written permission from P&G. That's why Manuela always explains that being grandfathered in is the reason they can formulate with such high concentrations, like the 20%, because they are able to purchase large amounts of the raw Matrixyl directly from Sederma. Plus, without having to go through P&G, it's probably also much cheaper. So, it could be that NCN was also grandfathered in, only purchases their Matrixyl in small amounts from Sederma, or purchases it through a P&G supplier in order to obtain larger amounts.

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HULAGIRL — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:17:53 GMT

I don't think any other product line uses as much Matrixyl in their products as Isomers....I've used it since she first offered it.

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HappyDaze — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:19:15 GMT

On 10/24/2014 hulagirl said:
I don't think any other product line uses as much Matrixyl in their products as Isomers....I've used it since she first offered it.

I believe isomers is 20% correct? I know NCN's is 25%.

Re: Difference in Matrixyls???

lyn in MI — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:37:44 GMT

On 10/24/2014 HappyDaze said:
On 10/24/2014 hulagirl said:
I don't think any other product line uses as much Matrixyl in their products as Isomers....I've used it since she first offered it.

I believe isomers is 20% correct? I know NCN's is 25%.

I don't think Isomers has advised the total % of the 3 formulas of Matrixyl in the TTV Serum. We know that the % of Matrixyl included is 10%. We also know that Isomers states they always formulate with at least the minimum recommended use %. According to Sederma, the recommended use level of Matrixyl 3000 is 3% to 8% and the recommended use level of Mayrixyl Synthe 6 is 2%. Since the Adv. Serum contains 10% of Matrixyl, the total % of all three types should equal 15% to 20% or more.

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HappyDaze — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:45:13 GMT

On 10/24/2014 lyn in MI said:
On 10/24/2014 HappyDaze said:
On 10/24/2014 hulagirl said:
I don't think any other product line uses as much Matrixyl in their products as Isomers....I've used it since she first offered it.

I believe isomers is 20% correct? I know NCN's is 25%.

I don't think Isomers has advised the total % of the 3 formulas of Matrixyl in the TTV Serum. We know that the % of Matrixyl included is 10%. We also know that Isomers states they always formulate with at least the minimum recommended use %. According to Sederma, the recommended use level of Matrixyl 3000 is 3% to 8% and the recommended use level of Mayrixyl Synthe 6 is 2%. Since the Adv. Serum contains 10% of Matrixyl, the total % of all three types should equal 15% to 20% or more.

so what is meant by the "20%" in the title of the product?

Re: Difference in Matrixyls???

2cockers1cat — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:48:33 GMT

This is from the Isomers description of Matrixly Advanced:
Matrixyl Advanced contains

Matrixyl targets deep wrinkles & dermal matrix (plumps skin)
Matrixyl 3000 targets wrinkles and hydration (smooths surface)
Synthe-6 (targets expression lines).

Adding: I don't believe Isomers has disclosed the ratios of the 3 forms of Matrixyl in this blend.

Re: Difference in Matrixyls???

2cockers1cat — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:50:33 GMT

On 10/24/2014 HappyDaze said:
On 10/24/2014 lyn in MI said:
On 10/24/2014 HappyDaze said:
On 10/24/2014 hulagirl said:
I don't think any other product line uses as much Matrixyl in their products as Isomers....I've used it since she first offered it.

I believe isomers is 20% correct? I know NCN's is 25%.

I don't think Isomers has advised the total % of the 3 formulas of Matrixyl in the TTV Serum. We know that the % of Matrixyl included is 10%. We also know that Isomers states they always formulate with at least the minimum recommended use %. According to Sederma, the recommended use level of Matrixyl 3000 is 3% to 8% and the recommended use level of Mayrixyl Synthe 6 is 2%. Since the Adv. Serum contains 10% of Matrixyl, the total % of all three types should equal 15% to 20% or more.

so what is meant by the "20%" in the title of the product?

This is from Isomers description of 20% formulation:
Matrixyl 20% contains:

Matrixyl targets deep wrinkles & dermal matrix (plumps skin)
Matrixyl 3000 targets wrinkles and hydration (smooths surface)
2 forms of the peptide in 300% above the clinical level
For all skin types. Ages 20+

Adding: For the first time Isomers has taken two key peptides of micro collagen (lab created collagen) and combined them in a synergistic blend of 10% each in our exclusive base.