topic Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin in Beauty

Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

Irishrose136 — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 04:46:42 GMT

I'm hoping the Beauties would be willing to help me learn about using oil(s) to cleanse combo/oily skin. It's my understanding that this approach should result in balancing out the complexion so that production of sebum is normalized.

I'd like to know what oils people have used and liked. And how do you apply the oil - wipe across the face with a round cotton applicator? Are there other steps that are important?

Has anyone who used this method started out with oily skin? How long did it take for you to see a positive change?

I can understand how the use of cleansing oil could normalize dry skin. I'm having trouble with the concept of using oil with my skin when I've spent my adult life seeking out all things oil-free.

I apologize because I'm sure this topic has been discussed before. There's actually a little TOO much for me to easily wade through. I'm hoping this thread can be my Cliff Note's version, from posters I know and trust.

Thanks!

Irish

Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

sullw — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 06:45:48 GMT

I undersand your hesitation and think a lot of people feel the same way. I have combination skin plus rosacea, so I have avoided oil most of my life as well. I finally broke down and tried the oil cleansing method (ocm) and I love it. I have only used the Josie Maran one but it is fantastic as both a makeup remover and facial cleanser, this is the cleansing oil and not the pure argan oil by the way.

I take about a teaspoon amount of oil in my hand and start massaging it into my face..dont wet your face or hand before hand just start with the oil, pamper yourself a little but and massage it in for a good minute or two, you dont have to use the Josie one but I can atest that I massage it all over my eyelids and eye lashes and there is not stinging or irritation. Then, once you have massaged the oild into your face, wet your hands with warm water, dont splash it on your face just take your wet hands and emulsify the oild on your face, again go all over where you placed the oil and once it is emulsifiedi it will turn a mily white color, then take a warm or hot cloth and wipe everything off your face.

I have not had a breakout or any clogged pores since trying this and I really like it alot. My forehead, nose and chin are usually pretty oily but this method works. The concept behind this is oil will remove oil. Definitely google OM to read more as well as recommendations for oils to use.

Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

Irishrose136 — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 07:08:20 GMT

Thank you so much, Sullw! And welcome to the Board.

OCM - Now I have the name for the process I'm interested in. That makes it so much easier to google and research.

Sullw, have you ever had trouble with milia developing? I've been having trouble confirming the popular belief that emollient creams and/or oils are responsible for the development of milia..............or disproving it. I know that a milium is made up of trapped skin cells where the skin has created a pocket and then folded over itself. But something must "trigger" that and I would like to discover the role creams and oil play.

Thanks for giving me step by step directions!

I just bought Boscia exfoliating powder that can be mixed with water or oil. And someone (BC?) recommended the Boscia cleansing oil. That sounds like a possibility.

Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

Irishrose136 — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 07:19:06 GMT

Has anyone used Boscia Tsubaki Cleansing Oil-Gel?

There is also Boscia Tsubaki Beauty Oil.

Has anyone had experience with one or the other?

Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

JeanLouiseFinch — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:39:01 GMT

Hi Irishrose136 - I totally understand your reservations about purposely putting oil on your face. Since puberty, I've gone through the typical complexion changes and settled into my adult life with combo skin/an oilier T-zone. I've bought astringents, used oil-free this and that, thinking it would help. You know what? It didn't. I'd read here about cleansing oils and would think, "why in the world would someone want to do that?" But once I understood the logic, it made perfect sense to me. Think back to the days of science class. Oil and water don't mix, and oil cuts/dissolves oil. Right? Our brains will do whatever it's called upon to do to maintain or heal the skin. When our skin is normal, it's got a proper balance of oil. When it's dry, it calls upon the brain to send more. So when we use the oil free products to dry things up, that experience is only temporary because the skin sends a message to the brain saying, "hey things are a bit dry down here, send some oil". The brain responds appropriately and sends oil to compensate and we end up with the oil skid again - it's a vicious cycle. When we use a cleansing oil, it removes the impurities without drying out the skin. The brain doesn't get the "hey, we could use some help here" message because the skin is happy and clean at the same time. With consistency, the skin balances out naturally (and honestly, it doesn't take long for that to happen).

Once it all clicked, I was primed and ready when I saw the Tatcha demo the first time, but I also thought her stuff was way too expensive for my budget. I went on a search for cleansing oil and enzyme powder dupes and got lucky on Amazon. The cleansing oil I found is called Dr. Young's Camellia Deep Cleansing Oil. Lots of people like the DHC cleansing oil, but I don't care for it. DHC is an olive oil cleanser whereas Dr. Young’s has Camellia oil (like Tatcha’s) and some other beneficial oils, but no mineral oil. Once I tried Dr. Young's I was sold. It’s less expensive, and you get more in the bottle. You only need a couple of pumps per cleanse so it lasts a long time - a very good value, IMO.

To cleanse, I take 1-2 pumps of the Dr. Young's, apply it to my face and massage it around a little bit. Then I get my fingertips wet and go back to massage a little more. The addition of the water makes the cleansing oil turn into a cleansing milk, just like Tatcha's does. I then use a warm (not hot) damp washcloth to remove everything (or hop into the shower and rinse off). The cleansing oil gets every bit of makeup off (BB/CC cream, eyeliner, eyebrow pencil) and has purged all the gunk out of my pores (no blackheads). And if I do get an occasional zit, they are few and far between, and gone just as fast as it popped up. It might not be the most popular, but Dr. Young’s Camellia Deep Cleansing Oil is the best one for me. If you decide to try it, it’s only available on Amazon. Don’t let the shipping fee scare you away. Even with the shipping cost, it’s still a better value than Tatcha’s.

Best of luck to you.

Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

Harpa — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:34:10 GMT

This is the best education I've come across in a long time explaining the different oils and who should use what. (Other than theoilcleansingmethod.com)

http://www.minimalistbeauty.com/oils-specifically-for-acne-prone-skin/

Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

suzyQ3 — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 18:26:05 GMT

Irish, although I know that this following info from PC's site isn't directly germane to your question, it does include some information that might be relevant, particularly the facts about hormones and also the suggestion about avoiding certain ingredients. Of course, YMMV, depending upon your skin:

<h2>Myth: Oily skin can be controlled with the right products.</h2>

Fact: Possibly, but right now this is mere conjecture, involving an extremely complicated and difficult-to-understand process.

Oil production is triggered primarily by androgens and estrogen (male and female hormones, respectively), and altering hormone production topically is not something available in the realm of cosmetics. However, the sebaceous gland itself also produces active androgens, which can increase sebum excretion. What can happen is that stress-sensing skin signals (think skin inflammation and irritation) can lead to the production and release of androgens and cause more oil production, which can clog pores. That makes topical irritation and inflammation bad for skin, but that still doesn't affect the production of hormones inside the body.

What you can do is use a retinoid (vitamin A or tretinoin) to improve the shape of the pore so that the oil can flow more evenly and prevent clogging. There is some research that niacinamide in skin-care products can help, but no one is quite sure why. You also can avoid making matters worse by not using products that contain oils or thick, emollient ingredients. You can absorb surface oil by using powders, mattifiers, or clay masks, although avoid masks that contain irritating ingredients. How often you should use a mask depends on your skin type; some people use one every day, others once a week. These types of mask may be used after cleansing, left on for 10-15 minutes, and then rinsed with tepid water.

(Sources: Clinical Dermatology, September-October 2004, pages 360-366; Experimental Dermatology, June 2008, pages 542-551)

Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

suzyQ3 — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 18:26:41 GMT

On 6/28/2014 Harpa said:
This is the best education I've come across in a long time explaining the different oils and who should use what. (Other than theoilcleansingmethod.com)

http://www.minimalistbeauty.com/oils-specifically-for-acne-prone-skin/

Harpa, I can't seem to make your link work.

Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

sun8shine — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 18:38:14 GMT

I know it is fashionable right now and it may work for some.

I tried it and I did not have good results - I used Julep's facial cleansing oil and I had breakouts (little whiteheads - like a teenager) and clogged pores within 5 days. I still have an almost full bottle that I use when I have stubborn eye makeup and I only use it around my eyes (without any issues).

So for me with my skin it was a no-go. But for others it may work well.

I have oily/combo skin and I am prone to clogged pores.

For clear skin I need to stick to a different approach

Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

Harpa — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:02:42 GMT

On 6/28/2014 suzyQ3 said:
On 6/28/2014 Harpa said:
This is the best education I've come across in a long time explaining the different oils and who should use what. (Other than theoilcleansingmethod.com)

http://www.minimalistbeauty.com/oils-specifically-for-acne-prone-skin/

Harpa, I can't seem to make your link work.

suzyQ3, you're the one who taught me! What did you do wrong?!

I guess I need a refresher. I think I have trouble with the target part. Am I supposed to check "open link in same" or "open link in new"...? I don't know what I'm doing wrong. (Sorry, you will have to cut & paste until I can get another lesson.)

Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

suzyQ3 — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:32:08 GMT

Hahahaha...Harpa.

I'm not sure what you did, but when I click on the link, nothing happens. If I right-click and choose open a new tab, I'm taken right back here.

Okay, so I googled and found the site and then the article. Let me try: Oils Specifically for Acne-Prone Skin.

My link works.

Remember, you copy the URL of the page you want, then you highlight the words in your post in which you want to embed your link, then you click on the binocular icon, then you paste the URL in, and the word or words you had highlighted should now be your link.

I can give the long version again, if you need it. No problem.

Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

Harpa — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:49:26 GMT

On 6/28/2014 suzyQ3 said:
Hahahaha...Harpa.

I'm not sure what you did, but when I click on the link, nothing happens. If I right-click and choose open a new tab, I'm taken right back here.

Okay, so I googled and found the site and then the article. Let me try: Oils Specifically for Acne-Prone Skin.

My link works.

Remember, you copy the URL of the page you want, then you highlight the words in your post in which you want to embed your link, then you click on the binocular icon, then you paste the URL in, and the word or words you had highlighted should now be your link.

I can give the long version again, if you need it. No problem.

Thank you, Teach! Sorry I flunked that 1st go-round.

I'll try it again for the oil cleansing method.

I wonder if this works?

eta: Ah-ha! It does! What was throwing me off was the Target and Title that I had to fill out in the link box. That time I didn't do anything with them. I just clicked insert.

Thanks again, suzyQ!!!

Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

Tigriss — Sat, 28 Jun 2014 23:54:39 GMT

When I run out of my cleaner, I will try this one

<h1 id="title" class="a-size-large a-spacing-none" style="box-sizing: border-box; padding: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; text-rendering: optimizelegibility; font-weight: normal; color: #333333; margin-bottom: 0px !important; font-size: 21px !important; line-height: 1.3 !important;"> Shea Terra Argan Rosemary Facial Cleansing Oil 2 oz. or this one Fleur de Lis Camellia Oil</h1>

Both are on Amazon for great prices.

Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

Tigriss — Sun, 29 Jun 2014 00:00:02 GMT

Shea Terra Argan Rosemary Facial Cleansing Oil 2 oz. or this one Fleur de Lis Camellia Oil<</span>

Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

suzyQ3 — Sun, 29 Jun 2014 00:33:20 GMT

On 6/28/2014 Harpa said:
On 6/28/2014 suzyQ3 said:
Hahahaha...Harpa.

I'm not sure what you did, but when I click on the link, nothing happens. If I right-click and choose open a new tab, I'm taken right back here.

Okay, so I googled and found the site and then the article. Let me try: Oils Specifically for Acne-Prone Skin.

My link works.

Remember, you copy the URL of the page you want, then you highlight the words in your post in which you want to embed your link, then you click on the binocular icon, then you paste the URL in, and the word or words you had highlighted should now be your link.

I can give the long version again, if you need it. No problem.

Thank you, Teach! Sorry I flunked that 1st go-round.

I'll try it again for the oil cleansing method.

I wonder if this works?

eta: Ah-ha! It does! What was throwing me off was the Target and Title that I had to fill out in the link box. That time I didn't do anything with them. I just clicked insert.

Thanks again, suzyQ!!!

That's what you get for wandering off on your own. I kid, I kid. Glad it now worked for you. If you ever do want that longer version again, just ask.

You know, it's strange. Two other posters in the past weeks asked how to insert links. I gave them pretty much the same instructions I gave you back then. You were kind to respond appreciatively. I never heard a word from either of the other posters.

Believe me, I don't NEED a thank you, but don't you find that sort of weird? I mean, it wasn't as if it just took me a second to come up with clear, detailed steps.

Oh, well. No biggie.

Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

Irishrose136 — Sun, 29 Jun 2014 05:20:09 GMT

On 6/28/2014 sun8shine said:
I know it is fashionable right now and it may work for some.

I tried it and I did not have good results - I used Julep's facial cleansing oil and I had breakouts (little whiteheads - like a teenager) and clogged pores within 5 days. I still have an almost full bottle that I use when I have stubborn eye makeup and I only use it around my eyes (without any issues).

So for me with my skin it was a no-go. But for others it may work well.

I have oily/combo skin and I am prone to clogged pores.

For clear skin I need to stick to a different approach

sun8shine, it sounds like we have similar skin and concerns.

Ending up with clogged pores or milia would be my worst nightmare come true.

Thanks, sun8shine!

Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

Irishrose136 — Sun, 29 Jun 2014 05:39:39 GMT

Tigriss and Harpa, thank you for the name of oils and the link to read.

SQ3! Thank you! You know me too well. I had probably read that info from Paula's site - her myths - but I managed to forget those details. She invariably has something relevant to add to any discussion.............as do you. ;-)

I hope I didn't miss thanking anyone for your help. I always appreciate when people take the time and effort to respond to a thread.

Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

JeanLouiseFinch — Sun, 29 Jun 2014 09:30:14 GMT

On 6/28/2014 tigriss said:
Shea Terra Argan Rosemary Facial Cleansing Oil 2 oz. or this one Fleur de Lis Camellia Oil<</span>

I'll be interested to read your reviews on the Fleur de Lis Camellia Oil, since I already use their enzyme powder.

Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

aprilskies — Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:57:22 GMT

Right now I am using DHC cleansing oil and like it. Although, its my first time trying oil method so I have nothing to compare it too. I like that I can massage my face a little bit and then I apply a hot washcloth and let it steam for a few seconds. I do the hot cloth twice and then wipe off good. It does smell a little like olive oil, lol, but I like it so far. No issues. I may try making my own when I run out but that wont be for awhile, or maybe I wont but it seems easy enough.

Re: Using Oil to Cleanse With Combo/Oily Skin

F1wild — Fri, 04 Jul 2014 05:20:12 GMT

Gosh, after reading these posts I'm very tempted to try the Fleur de Lis camelia oil cleanser and rice enzyme polisher, but I'm well stocked up with PTR and Mela D by Larger Roche-Posay cleanser.

Several years ago the Ph***soupy store peeps had me convinced my skin was oily so I kept buying more and more stuff to dry out my skin...which did the opposite. Low and behold, my skin is actually on the dry side of norm. The more anti-oily products I used the more my brain/endocrine system tried to fix it with more oil. As soon as I switched to actual moisturizing products my troubles were gone.

Anywho...I appreciate everyone's posts in the BB Community. I learn more every day and my skin glows more and more.

Cheers!