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Peter Thomas Roth products

elruth — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 06:39:53 GMT

I did order the TSV. I have used some of his products in the past and felt they were effective but wow...confusing why so many products do the same thing. I use the peel pads so why would I buy the peel they showed on the midnight show? He has a couple of eye serums and I don't know why since they basically do the same thing. Does anyone have a regimen they use that is effective for the over 55 age group and doesn't involve more than 4 of his products? I have the kit he showed tonight with the travel sizes but didn't reorder as I don't like the lotion and I could buy some of the other products on ebay.

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KateChopin — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 06:41:14 GMT

I wouldn't overdue the peel thing.

I used to love his products, but they are not cruelty free and I just can't buy them now. Wish he would change that.

Oh, to answer your question, I use an exfoliating cleanser, followed by Dr. Denese Clinical reserve cream (great) at night. I alternate the Clinical Cream with Olay Regenerist cream (two-fer at Costco all of the time. I also use Dr. Denese Retinol serum followed by argan oil on some days.

When I used PTR, I used the pads, jumped in the shower to rinse, then used Unwrinkle Day, then at night the PM serum followed by argan oil---on alternate nights, I used the Unwrinkle Night cream. I loved his stuff...but love the furbabies more.

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lovesallanimals — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 12:35:41 GMT

KateChopin: I love his PM/AM retinol combo (the am is fabulous in protecting my skin from the sun). I am an avid animal lover (hence my sign on name), and when I heard that he tested on animals I immediately ran to my bathroom and checked his labels. The PM retinol states on the bottle that it is not tested on animals. I called the company about his other products and they told me that his products are NOT tested on animals, that it is a cruelty free company. So I kept the ones that actually stated it on the bottle. I do not have the unwrinkle cream as I love my Josie Argon Oil but I wanted to try this duo. If I do not see the notation on the jar, then back this goes.

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okiebug — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:41:35 GMT

I have the same question as the OP - if someone uses PTR, which exfoliator do you like better - the FirmX Gel or the Pads? Thanks.

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NickNack — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 15:46:39 GMT

On 6/15/2014 KateChopin said:
I wouldn't overdue the peel thing.

I used to love his products, but they are not cruelty free and I just can't buy them now. Wish he would change that.

Oh, to answer your question, I use an exfoliating cleanser, followed by Dr. Denese Clinical reserve cream (great) at night. I alternate the Clinical Cream with Olay Regenerist cream (two-fer at Costco all of the time. I also use Dr. Denese Retinol serum followed by argan oil on some days.

Olay is tested on animals, too. I just bought an Oil of Olay Regenerist product and then found this out. I won't buy it again. Paula's Choice has a list of companies that do and do not do animal testing. http://www.paulaschoice.com/beautypedia-product-reviews/animal-testing/

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tends2dogs — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 15:51:32 GMT

Olay is Proctor and Gamble, a long time animal tester. They put out thousands of products....shame on them.

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gazelle77 — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 15:54:27 GMT

I was not going to order his TS, but, I am low on my retinol and thought I might try his. The last one I bought was the Neutrogena Retinol. It was OK. I like to try new things.

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Christine16 — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:18:43 GMT

On 6/16/2014 gazelle77 said:
I was not going to order his TS, but, I am low on my retinol and thought I might try his. The last one I bought was the Neutrogena Retinol. It was OK. I like to try new things.

Ive been using the Retinol Fusion for several months and I love it. I can tell my brown spots are diminishing (very slowly), it leaves my skin feeling very soft. I used the Neutrogena Dermatologica from the the Q and I loved it. I think in the long run the retinol fusion will out perform the Neutrogena. Good Luck on the TS.

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luvmybeetle — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:46:43 GMT

On 6/16/2014 tends2dogs said:
Olay is Proctor and Gamble, a long time animal tester. They put out thousands of products....shame on them.

First of all the name is Procter, not Proctor. I'm sorry but I am retired from there and we used to get so tired of people spelling it like the iron people (Proctor Silex). Yes, they do test on animals and I think I was the only person at the office that could not watch when the demonstrators came to the headquarters with the pictures of animals being used. It is so horrible that the first time I saw them I cried and had to hide my face. I would ask anyone to stop buying from that company. There are many products being made by them, including Cover Girl.

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tends2dogs — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:06:46 GMT

On 6/16/2014 luvmybeetle said:
On 6/16/2014 tends2dogs said:
Olay is Proctor and Gamble, a long time animal tester. They put out thousands of products....shame on them.

First of all the name is Procter, not Proctor. I'm sorry but I am retired from there and we used to get so tired of people spelling it like the iron people (Proctor Silex). Yes, they do test on animals and I think I was the only person at the office that could not watch when the demonstrators came to the headquarters with the pictures of animals being used. It is so horrible that the first time I saw them I cried and had to hide my face. I would ask anyone to stop buying from that company. There are many products being made by them, including Cover Girl.

luvmybeetle:

Thank you for calling to my attention the misspelling of the "P" in P & G.

My DH's first wife and husband worked for P & G. My stepsons would swear up and down that there was no animal testing done there, because that is what there mother told them. I figured that the horrific things that were going on were too terrible to be telling children. They are adults now and I have never brought it up again.

DOW Chemical is another offender of this terrible practice. I really think if most people knew the details of this, they wouldn't buy half of what they do.

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Irishrose136 — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:10:16 GMT

On 6/16/2014 okiebug said:
I have the same question as the OP - if someone uses PTR, which exfoliator do you like better - the FirmX Gel or the Pads? Thanks.

I have tried many PTR products but kept few. I did love the FirmX Gel Peel. It is fun to do, I thought. But as Paula Begoun reviewed it, " In the end, this is more of an overpriced scrub than a state-of-the-art way to peel skin."

As for the pads, which are chemical exfoliants (AHAs) vs manual, well Paula isn't too thrilled about them either. "Un-Wrinkle Peel Pads, for All Skin Types, are alcohol-free pads that contain 20% glycolic acid, a level that is close to peel strength, but before you get too excited, know that the pH of the solution is almost a 6, which is well beyond the level needed for the acid to exfoliate skin. There is no reason to consider these pricey pads (though they’re certainly not a problem for skin); the many antioxidants and retinol will not remain stable due to jar packaging."

The packaging and ph level nullify much of the potency of the AHA (glycolic acid).

Both have loyal followers. But these 2 products have counterparts in other companies which are both cheaper AND more effective.

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Irishrose136 — Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:13:18 GMT

On 6/16/2014 loveour4leggedfriends said:
KateChopin: I love his PM/AM retinol combo (the am is fabulous in protecting my skin from the sun). I am an avid animal lover (hence my sign on name), and when I heard that he tested on animals I immediately ran to my bathroom and checked his labels. The PM retinol states on the bottle that it is not tested on animals. I called the company about his other products and they told me that his products are NOT tested on animals, that it is a cruelty free company. So I kept the ones that actually stated it on the bottle. I do not have the unwrinkle cream as I love my Josie Argon Oil but I wanted to try this duo. If I do not see the notation on the jar, then back this goes.

Love, according to Paula Begoun's Beautypedia side, both products are tested on animals.

http://www.paulaschoice.com/beautypedia-skin-care-reviews/by-brand/peter-thomas-roth/_/FIRMx-Peeling-Gel

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lovesallanimals — Tue, 17 Jun 2014 00:44:32 GMT

On 6/16/2014 Irishrose136 said:
On 6/16/2014 loveour4leggedfriends said:
KateChopin: I love his PM/AM retinol combo (the am is fabulous in protecting my skin from the sun). I am an avid animal lover (hence my sign on name), and when I heard that he tested on animals I immediately ran to my bathroom and checked his labels. The PM retinol states on the bottle that it is not tested on animals. I called the company about his other products and they told me that his products are NOT tested on animals, that it is a cruelty free company. So I kept the ones that actually stated it on the bottle. I do not have the unwrinkle cream as I love my Josie Argon Oil but I wanted to try this duo. If I do not see the notation on the jar, then back this goes.

Love, according to Paula Begoun's Beautypedia side, both products are tested on animals.

http://www.paulaschoice.com/beautypedia-skin-care-reviews/by-brand/peter-thomas-roth/_/FIRMx-Peeling-Gel

rishrose136: I don't care what Paula says, I am looking at the bottle right now and on the bottom it clearly states: Animal Cruelty Free. Doesn't this mean they do not test on animals? I am totally confused now.

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TootyJane — Tue, 17 Jun 2014 01:18:10 GMT

On 6/16/2014 okiebug said:
I have the same question as the OP - if someone uses PTR, which exfoliator do you like better - the FirmX Gel or the Pads? Thanks.

I prefer the FirmX Gel. I just don't feel that the Peel Pads (PTR or any other brand I've tried) have done anything for me. I really like PTR products. I have been receiving on A-D the Un-wrinkle kit which was a TSV. It contains the Creme Cleanser, Un-wrinkle Serum, Un-wrinkle Creme, and Un-wrinkle Night. I also love the Un-wrinkle Lip and the FirmX Firming Night Moisturizer. I always check the PTR website as they have awesome sales. Just recently I bought the 2 oz. Un-wrinkle Serum which was on sale for $55 (regularly $195). Currently they have the 1 oz. on sale for $40 (regularly $120), Un-wrinkle Creme on sale for $55 (regularly $110), and Lashes to Die For Liner on sale for $14 (regularly $28). They offer free shipping on orders over $50.

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Irishrose136 — Tue, 17 Jun 2014 01:26:12 GMT

On 6/16/2014 loveour4leggedfriends said:
On 6/16/2014 Irishrose136 said:
On 6/16/2014 loveour4leggedfriends said:
KateChopin: I love his PM/AM retinol combo (the am is fabulous in protecting my skin from the sun). I am an avid animal lover (hence my sign on name), and when I heard that he tested on animals I immediately ran to my bathroom and checked his labels. The PM retinol states on the bottle that it is not tested on animals. I called the company about his other products and they told me that his products are NOT tested on animals, that it is a cruelty free company. So I kept the ones that actually stated it on the bottle. I do not have the unwrinkle cream as I love my Josie Argon Oil but I wanted to try this duo. If I do not see the notation on the jar, then back this goes.

Love, according to Paula Begoun's Beautypedia side, both products are tested on animals.

http://www.paulaschoice.com/beautypedia-skin-care-reviews/by-brand/peter-thomas-roth/_/FIRMx-Peeling-Gel

rishrose136: I don't care what Paula says, I am looking at the bottle right now and on the bottom it clearly states: Animal Cruelty Free. Doesn't this mean they do not test on animals? I am totally confused now.

I'm sorry, Loves. I did not wish to confuse the issue. I thought maybe you had been given incorrect info. I don't know the meaning of the logo. You most likely know more than I do. Go with what feels right............and erase me from your mind.

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veganista — Tue, 17 Jun 2014 06:50:17 GMT

On 6/16/2014 NickNack said:
On 6/15/2014 KateChopin said:
I wouldn't overdue the peel thing.

I used to love his products, but they are not cruelty free and I just can't buy them now. Wish he would change that.

Oh, to answer your question, I use an exfoliating cleanser, followed by Dr. Denese Clinical reserve cream (great) at night. I alternate the Clinical Cream with Olay Regenerist cream (two-fer at Costco all of the time. I also use Dr. Denese Retinol serum followed by argan oil on some days.

Olay is tested on animals, too. I just bought an Oil of Olay Regenerist product and then found this out. I won't buy it again. Paula's Choice has a list of companies that do and do not do animal testing. http://www.paulaschoice.com/beautypedia-product-reviews/animal-testing/

I was going to say that about Olay, but you did it for me.

If you truly don't want to use products that torture and kill animals, then just go do some research, and it's not that difficult. I am a former PTR user. I read some unsettling things about this company on the internet. PTR better get it together.

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HappyDaze — Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:14:42 GMT

On 6/16/2014 loveour4leggedfriends said:
KateChopin: I love his PM/AM retinol combo (the am is fabulous in protecting my skin from the sun). I am an avid animal lover (hence my sign on name), and when I heard that he tested on animals I immediately ran to my bathroom and checked his labels. The PM retinol states on the bottle that it is not tested on animals. I called the company about his other products and they told me that his products are NOT tested on animals, that it is a cruelty free company. So I kept the ones that actually stated it on the bottle. I do not have the unwrinkle cream as I love my Josie Argon Oil but I wanted to try this duo. If I do not see the notation on the jar, then back this goes.

Sorry, but this is not true. They do test on animals as required by law, which is because they sell in China and China requires them to test. They have verified this in an email to me and more recently to another poster and she copied and pasted the email, including his companies' director's info who sent the email so you can contact her directly if you wish. The email specifically says that their new packaging will no longer include the "cruelty free" information. This is the facts. I don't know what CS rep told you that they do not test but they were wrong as several of us have emails from their customer service to prove it. I will copy and past the other poster's email she JUST received:

"Sorry for the delay in responding.

We do not test on animals but the Chinese government does. This came to light long after our products were registered to sell there. It was recently announced that as of June this year, China will stop testing on animals.

Our newest packaging no longer says Animal Cruelty Free.

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

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veganista — Tue, 17 Jun 2014 07:29:51 GMT

On 6/16/2014 HappyDaze said:
On 6/16/2014 loveour4leggedfriends said:
KateChopin: I love his PM/AM retinol combo (the am is fabulous in protecting my skin from the sun). I am an avid animal lover (hence my sign on name), and when I heard that he tested on animals I immediately ran to my bathroom and checked his labels. The PM retinol states on the bottle that it is not tested on animals. I called the company about his other products and they told me that his products are NOT tested on animals, that it is a cruelty free company. So I kept the ones that actually stated it on the bottle. I do not have the unwrinkle cream as I love my Josie Argon Oil but I wanted to try this duo. If I do not see the notation on the jar, then back this goes.

Sorry, but this is not true. They do test on animals as required by law, which is because they sell in China and China requires them to test. They have verified this in an email to me and more recently to another poster and she copied and pasted the email, including his companies' director's info who sent the email so you can contact her directly if you wish. The email specifically says that their new packaging will no longer include the "cruelty free" information. This is the facts. I don't know what CS rep told you that they do not test but they were wrong as several of us have emails from their customer service to prove it. I will copy and past the other poster's email she JUST received:

"Sorry for the delay in responding.

We do not test on animals but the Chinese government does. This came to light long after our products were registered to sell there. It was recently announced that as of June this year, China will stop testing on animals.

Our newest packaging no longer says Animal Cruelty Free.

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Natalie Virtue
Director of Direct Sales TV
Peter Thomas Roth
460 Park Avenue, 16th Floor
New York, NY 10022
(212) 581-5800 x 5285
(212) 581-5810 Fax"

[thank you to poster subedoo who provided this information]

Thanks for posting for others who have no idea.

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Wackers3 — Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:10:20 GMT

I much prefer the Firm X over the Peel Pads as it just seems to be more effective on my skin. I liked his PP much better than Dr D's but PP in general have been a let down to me. I did read a comparison of current PP on the market and the ones that got the highest rating were those by Dr Gross. I tried his Glow pads but the gradual ST in it prevented me from being able to use them. My face and ST don't mix well.

Well, it is June so if the above statement is correct (and I have no reason to doubt it's accuracy,) those who have avoided certain brands due to them selling in China might feel more at ease now. And Kudos to China for stopping the practice.

We went through this before about Paula's site and her list of who tests and who doesn't - I believe it was regarding Dr Perricone and the outcome, if I remember correctly, was that Paula's site was not accurate. Anyone else recall that thread?

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KateChopin — Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:50:33 GMT

On 6/16/2014 Lovely2 said:
On 6/16/2014 NickNack said:
On 6/15/2014 KateChopin said:
I wouldn't overdue the peel thing.

I used to love his products, but they are not cruelty free and I just can't buy them now. Wish he would change that.

Oh, to answer your question, I use an exfoliating cleanser, followed by Dr. Denese Clinical reserve cream (great) at night. I alternate the Clinical Cream with Olay Regenerist cream (two-fer at Costco all of the time. I also use Dr. Denese Retinol serum followed by argan oil on some days.

Olay is tested on animals, too. I just bought an Oil of Olay Regenerist product and then found this out. I won't buy it again. Paula's Choice has a list of companies that do and do not do animal testing. http://www.paulaschoice.com/beautypedia-product-reviews/animal-testing/

I was going to say that about Olay, but you did it for me.

If you truly don't want to use products that torture and kill animals, then just go do some research, and it's not that difficult. I am a former PTR user. I read some unsettling things about this company on the internet. PTR better get it together.

I almost missed this---- OLAY does, too????