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Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

pepes mom — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 06:40:55 GMT

skin.

I'd like to incorporate Vit C serum into my routine, but have very sensitive skin with moderate rosacea.

Thanks in advance.

Re: Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

LuvMyBoxer — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 06:43:54 GMT

I have rosacea and started using Mad Hippie. I haven't had an adverse reaction. I've used a handful of others with varying success, but this one seems to be the most gentle.

Re: Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

Irishrose136 — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:17:05 GMT

OP, I have skin that is somewhat sensitive. I've had breakouts of rosacea in the past, but none currently.

I just recently started using a Vit C Serum from ncnskincaredotcom. The site and item came highly recommended from some other regular posters here whom I've come to admire for their knowledge and range of experience.

I've noticed a slight tingling and tight feeling, but nothing intense and I am only in my first week.

You might want to also check out paulaschoicedotcom. Another highly recommended site.

Re: Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

QVCPhobe — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:56:50 GMT

My dermatologist told me not use anything like that b/c it will irritate the skin.

Re: Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

Danielle46 — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:53:44 GMT

I also have extremely sensitive skin. I used Rx Retin A at night and SkinCeuticals brand Vitamin C E Ferulic serum im the morning followed by Cerave moisturizer. This combo was recommended to me by my Dermatologist. I have had no reaction at all in terms of sensitivity and my skin looks great.

Re: Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

Retiredpsych — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 17:03:48 GMT

I too use prescription RetinA at night and NCN Vit C with ferulic acid each day (have also used MadHippie and think it is great too). I also have mild Rosacea and the products have not irritated me. If you want a milder vit c product you can go with an OTC product from CVS (look at Lumene) but know that they are not 20% vit c and results will take longer if at all. My derm approves of my routine. By the way, if you have redness from Rosacea my derm gave me a prescription for. Brand new cream called Mirvasa. It is a miracle...totally takes away Rosacea redness in minutes!

Re: Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

Retiredpsych — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 17:05:03 GMT

Oops...Mirvaso not Mirvasa...

Re: Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

cassiem — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 18:45:16 GMT

Sample if you can. I have rosacea and had a hard time finding a vitamin c I can use. NCN and Mad Hippie both caused rosacea flares for me. However, every case of rosacea is different, so what upsets my skin might be fine for yours.

Re: Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

Wackers3 — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:01:11 GMT

I'd go to Beautypedia (Paula's Choice website for all skincare and cosmetics they have reviewed which is tons of brands) Once in the Vit C category, you might find a few that she recommends for skin like yours. I think she also offers a Vit C serum so you could also check that out.

There are so many things to consider in any Vit C serum from the type of C used to other ingredients added to offset irritation and/or add to overall effectiveness. Many here love NCN's, Mad Hippie, Isomer's and NuFountain, just to name a few.

Be sure to get one in an amber or darker colored bottle with either a pump dispenser or a dropper as Vit C does not hold up well when exposed to light or air.

You might also check out Dr. Denese's and Peter Thomas Roth's versions as they both make excellent products.

Re: Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

esmeraldagooch — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:04:40 GMT

Rosacia can be cured. That may be a better option.

Why Stomach acid is good for you Jonathan V. Wright MD

Re: Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

suzyQ3 — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:27:55 GMT

No, rosacea can't be cured. It can often be controlled, and it can come and go.

If you have rosacea, be very careful with strong products like a Vitamin C serum. I would strongly advise also to look for one that does not have unnecessary irritants. You want one that has a short ingredient deck that gives you what you need to increase the effectiveness and the stability of the product.

Re: Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

esmeraldagooch — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 21:10:51 GMT

On 2/19/2014 suzyQ3 said:
No, rosacea can't be cured. It can often be controlled, and it can come and go.

If you have rosacea, be very careful with strong products like a Vitamin C serum. I would strongly advise also to look for one that does not have unnecessary irritants. You want one that has a short ingredient deck that gives you what you need to increase the effectiveness and the stability of the product.

I had it for decades and now using this book it's gone. I haven't had it since 2005. Rosacia is a symptom of problems in the gut.

Re: Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

cassiem — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 22:30:42 GMT

Emerald, glad to hear that your rosacea was cured. My rosacea however is not related to my gut, but directly correlates to seasonal allergies and weather. I've read Dr. Wright's book and although I have rosacea, I do not have low stomach acid, in fact, the opposite. My digestive issues stopped when I eliminated sugar, acidic fruits, and dairy from my diet. My rosacea is much better when my allergies are under control. I rarely have flare ups, except if my allergies flare badly due to weather.

Re: Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

okBlonde — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 22:36:08 GMT

I've been using a triple Vitamin C serum that an internet skincare blogger recommended - the only place I know to get it is Amazon and it's by Amelinda Cosmetics. I think it's less than $30 and comes in an Isomers-type bottle. It's made quite a huge difference for me. Has MAP, ascorbic acid and tetrahexydecyl ascorbate which is fat soluble and easily absorbed.

Re: Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

glmama — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 22:40:00 GMT

I have Rosacea and have had no problem whatsoever with Mad Hippie.

Re: Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

suzyQ3 — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 22:40:49 GMT

Causes

By Mayo Clinic Staff

The cause of rosacea is unknown, but it could be due to some combination of hereditary and environmental factors.

A number of factors can trigger or aggravate rosacea by increasing blood flow to the surface of your skin. Some of these factors include:

Hot foods or beverages
Spicy foods
Alcohol
Temperature extremes
Sunlight
Stress, anger or embarrassment
Strenuous exercise
Hot baths or saunas
Corticosteroids, such as prednisone
Drugs that dilate blood vessels, including some blood pressure medications

Re: Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

suzyQ3 — Wed, 19 Feb 2014 22:56:07 GMT

On 2/19/2014 esmeraldagooch said:
Rosacia can be cured. That may be a better option.

Why Stomach acid is good for you Jonathan V. Wright MD

I googled Dr. Jonathan V. Wright:

From wiki:

Wright completed his residency at Group Health Hospital in Seattle, Washington, then founded the Tahoma Clinic, which focuses on naturopathic treatment and bioenergetic analysis.^[7] He is associated with the Meridian Valley Lab, listed as a laboratory doing nonstandard medical testing by Quackwatch.^[8] Wright promotes the scientifically unsupported practice of bioidentical hormone replacement therapy and is responsible for the triple-estrogen formula triest (composed of estrone, estradiol and estriol). The formula was based on a single "most preliminary of studies" that tracked a small number of women for a short amount of time and contradicted previous research results. No follow-up studies were conducted by Wright to determine whether the formula was effective or safe.^[9]

Wright was the president and co-founder of the American Quack Association in 1985 as a forum for practitioners whose ideas are rejected by mainstream medicine, to provide emotional support, promote their practices and "[poke] fun at their critics". The organization ceased operations in 1989. From 1993 to 1998 Wright also helped lead the National Health Federation, "a group whose primary goal is to abolish government regulation of health-care activities."^[10]

<h2>Laboratory raid by the FDA</h2>

In 1991, the pharmacy adjacent to Wright's clinic (which sold products prepared in a laboratory co-owned by Wright, also adjacent to his clinic) was raided by the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for selling L-tryptophan, a supplement that had recently been banned from marketing after contaminated supplies were associated with eosinophilia–myalgia syndrome. After several months of investigations and difficulties between Wright and the FDA, a magistrate issued warrants to search the premises of Wright's clinic and adjacent pharmacy. On May 6, 1992, FDA agents entered the premises by knocking down the door after employees refused to open it; one of the agents had a drawn gun, under the incorrect assumption that the "illegal drugs" referred to in the investigation were narcotics. Wright and his sympathizers distributed footage of the events, calling it the "Vitamin B-Bust". In August of the same year, Wright was fined $850 for court costs and fees, and ordered to destroy his supply of L-tryptophan; a grand jury declined to criminally prosecute him for violating FDA drug laws.^[10]

And from Quackwatch:

AQA's president and co-founder was Jonathan V. Wright, M.D., a Harvard graduate who obtained his medical degree at the University of Michigan and began practicing "nutritional medicine" in 1973 at his Tahoma Clinic in Kent, Washington, a few miles southeast of Seattle. He and Alan Gaby, M.D., of Baltimore, give seminars for health professionals on "Nutrition as Therapy," which present their theories in detail. (AQA's first 16 members were recruited at the May 1985 seminar.) Wright also operates the Meridian Valley Laboratory, a facility that does many nonstandard tests. From 1993 through 1998, Wright helped lead the National Health Federation, a group whose primary goal is to abolish government regulation of health-care activities.

In the early 1990s, Wright achieved considerable notoriety battling the FDA. The dispute surfaced in July 1991 when law enforcement officers seized 103 bottles of L-tryptophan from the For Your Health Pharmacy, adjacent to Wright's clinic. The FDA had banned the marketing of L-tryptophan after it was implicated in an outbreak of eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome, but Wright continued to prescribe it. In August 1991, he filed suit, asserting that the outbreak was due to a contaminant and that his tryptophan was safe and therefore legal to dispense. The suit also asked the court to return the product and bar the FDA from "unreasonably interfering" with his ability to exercise clinical judgment in treating patients.

During the same month, according to an FDA affidavit, FDA investigators observed mold in some glass vials at the pharmacy and were informed that the products had been made at a laboratory adjacent to Wright's clinic. Further investigation indicated that Wright and the pharmacist were co-owners of the laboratory and clinic and that a clandestine manufacturing facility was being constructed in a vacant business next to the pharmacy [4]. When the investigators went to the laboratory, Wright would not permit them to conduct a full inspection. During the next few months, however, illegally marketed products were identified by inspecting trash from the clinic and pharmacy.

In December 1991, an FDA inspector posed as a patient and was diagnosed with an Interro device, a computerized galvanometer that measures changes in the skin's electrical resistance and depicts them on the screen of a monitor. (The reading on the screen is determined by how hard the probe is pressed against the patient's finger; the harder the pressure, the less skin resistance and the higher the reading. The FDA Center for Devices and Radiologic Health has said that such devices are "adulterated and misbranded" and can have no legal medical use [5].) The inspector reported that the woman who operated the device probed points on one of his fingers while selecting items on the screen that were said to represent substances to which he might be allergic. The woman explained that the height of a vertical bar that appeared when she probed his finger would indicate whether or not he was sensitive to the item being tested. After the test was completed, a printer next to the monitor printed a list of foods, chemicals, and other substances, with numerical values corresponding to readings on the Interro screen. Then he was given several homeopathic medicines, instructions for using them, and an article saying that they would result in dramatic relief of his allergic symptoms [6].

In February 1992, Wright's clinic posted a notice claiming that state-licensed physicians are "exempt from the restrictions and regulations of the federal Food and Drug Administration as a matter of federal law." The notice also stated that "no employee, agent or inspector of the FDA shall be permitted on these premises."

On May 4, 1992, a U.S. magistrate issued warrants authorizing the FDA to conduct criminal searches at Wright's clinic and the adjacent pharmacy [. The warrants were based on affidavits which concluded that the clinic had been "receiving, using, and dispensing several unapproved and misbranded foreign-manufactured injectable drug products" and that the pharmacy had been dispensing them. Two days later, FDA agents accompanied local police officers who broke down the front door of the Tahoma clinic. Wright and his supporters claim that the search party entered with guns drawn and terrorized the clinic staff. Federal officials state that the police broke down the door because the clinic staff had refused to open it when they knocked, a gun was drawn because the officers suspected that those inside might be hostile, but the gun was never pointed at anyone and was reholstered as soon as the area was deemed safe. The authorities seized products, patient files, computer records, and Interro devices from the clinic and additional materials from the pharmacy. Two weeks later, the state pharmacy board summarily suspended the pharmacy's license, an action taken only when the board feels that public health may be endangered.

Sherman L. Cox, Assistant Secretary for Licensing and Certification for the state of Washington, noted that the For Your Health pharmacy "was manufacturing a number of drugs and was distributing these drugs not only to patients on prescription but also to other doctors around the country for use in their offices. . . . In addition, the pharmacy was not properly licensed as a manufacturer and the drugs were being made under unsafe conditions." The pharmacy subsequently gave up its license and operated as a health-food store.

Wright and his allies characterized the search procedure as "the Vitamin-B Bust" and sold videotapes showing part of the raid, the reaction of several clinic employees, and demonstrations staged by Wright supporters. However, Cox noted that the items seized "were not just injectable vitamins but included a number of unapproved drugs." He did concede that the police officers' fear of danger was the result of assuming that the FDA definition of "illegal drugs" was the same as the county's definition (which covered heroin, cocaine, etc.).

During a "Larry King Live" television broadcast, an FDA official said that the agency became interested in Wright's activities after someone complained that he was prescribing L-tryptophan and sending people to the pharmacy to have the prescriptions filled. Wright maintained that he had a right to do this because his supply was not contaminated. When Larry King asked why he thought the FDA ban did not apply to him, Wright replied, "My lawyer said I could use it."

In August 1992, Wright signed an agreement consenting to the destruction of the 103 bottles of L-tryptophan that had been seized and agreeing to pay at least $850 to cover court costs and fees associated with the action [7]. A grand jury was convened to determine whether Wright should be criminally prosecuted for violating FDA drug laws, but he was not indicted.

In 2013, the Washington Medical Quality Assurance Commission concluded that Wright had engaged in unprofessional conduct by employing an unlicensed physician (Roby Mitchell, whose Texas license had been revoked) in his clinic and had failed to cooperate with the Commission's investigation of his wrongdoing. The Commission suspended Wright's license for 90 days, to be followed by 30 months of probation, and ordered him to pay a $7,500 fine [8].

Re: Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

esmeraldagooch — Thu, 20 Feb 2014 00:22:40 GMT

WOW! I hope you all enjoy living with Rosacia. I don't choose to. If you do change your mind, read the book it will change your life. It did mine.

Re: Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

cassiem — Thu, 20 Feb 2014 00:51:33 GMT

On 2/19/2014 esmeraldagooch said: WOW! I hope you all enjoy living with Rosacia. I don't choose to. If you do change your mind, read the book it will change your life. It did mine.

You obviously didn't read my post. I DID read the book and it only made things worse for me. Lemon actually triggers gastric issues for me and acidic fruits can make my skin more sensitive.

Re: Need recs for Vit C serum for sensitive/rosacean

suzyQ3 — Thu, 20 Feb 2014 01:30:14 GMT

On 2/19/2014 cassiem said:
On 2/19/2014 esmeraldagooch said: WOW! I hope you all enjoy living with Rosacia. I don't choose to. If you do change your mind, read the book it will change your life. It did mine.
You obviously didn't read my post. I DID read the book and it only made things worse for me. Lemon actually triggers gastric issues for me and acidic fruits can make my skin more sensitive.

cassiem, I think her post was probably more directed at me for my posts here.

Personally, I don't put any stock in a person like him. To me, he comes as close as one can get to the definition of either a charlatan or a very misguided individual, based on the facts I found and posted here.

Voodoo medicine/junk science masquerading as a noble rebellion against TPTB.