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Perricone cost

Angeleyes55 — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 02:44:58 GMT

I would like to know why his products are higher in cost than any other line on the Q? I have been hearing that when a product ingreds start with aqua or water, that after it has evaporated that it is useless? Do you think the cost has something to do with the doctors lifestyle? Hiring a rep that is high cost and can not tell a customer which costly product to use because the caller is on a limited income, Dana told her to buy both, like she herself does. Jill chimed in and told her QVC has a flex pay. How did this help the consumer to make an informed choice? Dana may look tan because she can afford to cruise to those islands for sun and fun. I do think that Dana just looks like a natural beauty, that doesn t need a foundation. Freedom of choice is ours to make, just my thoughts here.

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HappyDaze — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 03:22:46 GMT

Well, first I think you make alot of assumptions about Dr. Perricone and his rep, especially about their lifestyles and in the rep's case, how much she makes. No one really knows do they?

But back to your question. It may be just the prices are that high because he can get those prices.

They may also be because perhaps he does alot of studies and research for his products and ingredients, all of which can get super costly (drug research is a good example and why so many drugs are so very expensive).

Or perhaps the source of his ingredients and the way his products are manufactured (and where) costs more.

I don't know if any of this is true as I really don't know much about his products. The only people who can TRULY answer your questions about why his products are so high is the people at the company. Have you ever tried emailing them and asking? Not sure how far you'd get with answers but if you a really trying to find out the answers and not just indirectly trying to put down the company (NOT saying you are) then that might be your first step?

Just my thoughts.

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evelomaddict — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 03:27:09 GMT

who made the comment about water as the first ingredient?

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Angeleyes55 — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 04:03:42 GMT

On 1/12/2014 HappyDaze said:
Well, first I think you make alot of assumptions about Dr. Perricone and his rep, especially about their lifestyles and in the rep's case, how much she makes. No one really knows do they?

But back to your question. It may be just the prices are that high because he can get those prices.

They may also be because perhaps he does alot of studies and research for his products and ingredients, all of which can get super costly (drug research is a good example and why so many drugs are so very expensive).

Or perhaps the source of his ingredients and the way his products are manufactured (and where) costs more.

I don't know if any of this is true as I really don't know much about his products. The only people who can TRULY answer your questions about why his products are so high is the people at the company. Have you ever tried emailing them and asking? Not sure how far you'd get with answers but if you a really trying to find out the answers and not just indirectly trying to put down the company (NOT saying you are) then that might be your first step?

Just my thoughts.

Oh Happy Days it will be when I can find out why his products are so costly. I have gone searching on the web for answers,to no avail, not much information given at all, yes indeed the cost of research is costly, depends on the extent of it and how the results are achieved. This board is full of assumptions, that is where people like you, can set us all in their seats, and-teach us all to Think just like you. I have been listening to Demetri of Skinn Cosmetics speak of how water as the first ingredient is not a good thing at all, also Manwela who is a chemist and makes products Isomers speaks of water not being the choice first Ingredient and why on ShopHQ.

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HappyDaze — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 04:07:59 GMT

On 1/12/2014 Angeleyes55 said:
On 1/12/2014 HappyDaze said:
Well, first I think you make alot of assumptions about Dr. Perricone and his rep, especially about their lifestyles and in the rep's case, how much she makes. No one really knows do they?

But back to your question. It may be just the prices are that high because he can <em>get</em> those prices.

They may also be because perhaps he does alot of studies and research for his products and ingredients, all of which can get super costly (drug research is a good example and why so many drugs are so very expensive).

Or perhaps the source of his ingredients and the way his products are manufactured (and where) costs more.

I don't know if any of this is true as I really don't know much about his products. The only people who can TRULY answer your questions about why his products are so high is the people at the company. Have you ever tried emailing them and asking? Not sure how far you'd get with answers but if you a really trying to find out the answers and not just indirectly trying to put down the company (NOT saying you are) then that might be your first step?

Just my thoughts.

Oh Happy Days it will be when I can find out why his products are so costly. I have gone searching on the web for answers,to no avail, not much information given at all, yes indeed the cost of research is costly, depends on the extent of it and how the results are achieved. This board is full of assumptions, that is where people like you, can set us all in their seats, and-teach us all to Think just like you. I have been listening to Demetri of Skinn Cosmetics speak of how water as the first ingredient is not a good thing at all, also Manwela who is a chemist and makes products Isomers speaks of water not being the choice first Ingredient and why on ShopHQ.

oh the irony in your post is that apparently you actually want all of us to think like you and if we don't, you don't want to hear it. And I guess you truly were trying to put the company down and not really interested in other thoughts on the matter. Duly noted and lucky for you, I am done with this conversation!

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evelomaddict — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 04:43:19 GMT

i knew it. demetri said it.

perricone makes some very high quality items and they're very concentrated. he's certainly not the most expensive line on qvc either.

not every product is for everyone, which is why there are so many choices.

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sueinsf — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 04:51:47 GMT

On 1/12/2014 Angeleyes55 said:

I would like to know why his products are higher in cost than any other line on the Q?

Check out Algenist, Kate Somerville, Dr. Brandt, Peter Thomas Roth. With some product exceptions, seem similar on some of their pricing.

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MarenSeattle — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 05:06:55 GMT

Just a possibility, but I know part of the reason pharmaceuticals are so out-of-this-world-expensive is because of the cost of the research, clinical trials, FDA submissions, etc. And I've heard, but not sure it's accurate, that they have to sit on a pile of cash as a reserve insurance fund in case of lawsuits their insurance carrier won't cover.

So maybe it's something along those lines w/Perricone? I know he does a lot of his own research.

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drizzellla — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 05:23:49 GMT

On 1/12/2014 MarenSeattle said:
Just a possibility, but I know part of the reason pharmaceuticals are so out-of-this-world-expensive is because of the cost of the research, clinical trials, FDA submissions, etc. And I've heard, but not sure it's accurate, that they have to sit on a pile of cash as a reserve insurance fund in case of lawsuits their insurance carrier won't cover.

So maybe it's something along those lines w/Perricone? I know he does a lot of his own research.

You are so right. I worked for a pharmaceutical company. It was not skin care but it took almost 6 years to get the product approved by the FDA. And then finally after it was finally approved we spent many months to get a batch of the product to come out right. We finally had to sell the company to J&J because we were out of product and couldn't make a batch that didn't fail.

The company had to have a boat load of money to run for more than 6 years before we actually made a penny. Who knows how long Dr Perricone worked on his products before he started to sell them.

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Dublingrl — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 05:35:46 GMT

Cost or not, my dermatologist said it's a waste of money. He gave me a prescription of Retin A, told me to use a broad spectrum SPF 30. I like Neutragena. I use oils almond oil, avocado oil I have tried Josie's but I like the Avocado oil better more moisturizing. He suggested Dove soap bar or another cleanser don't remember which one. Personally I love my Clean and Clear for sensitive skin (used it for years). I'm in my early 40's. No Botox yet, but I never say never! You don't need to spend a lot on sunscreen either! As far as the new OVM, I had to laugh, there are so many ways to use eggs, right out of your frig on your face or on your hair in variety of masks, and you don't need to pay 175.00 to do it! You tube has many videos for do it yourself facials with things like avocado and eggs, etc.

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Dublingrl — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 05:38:14 GMT

I used to work in the biotech field, and skincare is not subject to FDA!

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ginabfly — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 05:40:41 GMT

I won't touch the line because it's so expensive. I spend too much as it is without buying completely overpriced products.

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BeckiWV — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 05:51:52 GMT

Algenist is very expensive indeed. I bought the face cream and I have about it used up but I am not impressed with it and will not reorder. I found it to be very average. I paid a lot for (and didn't like) Nectifirm as well. I was very, very disappointed with both of those items.

I did, however, order Sub-D on 3 flex pay yesterday and I am very excited to get it. I have used a lot of Perricone over the years and while I too wish it was much cheaper, I absolutely love what it does for my skin, so any chance I have to get my hands on some, I do.

If you are wanting a cream with DMAE, Hyraulonic acid and vitamin c esters at an affordable price, check out Reviva brand. You can find it on Amazon. They have some decent products with these ingredients that I like to use. However, they are not nearly as nice or give me the same results as Perricone. They probably do not have the same concentrations or the exact same deck but they are not bad.

OP other brands with DMAE etc. are available also. Right now, I am using a DMAE throat serum from Makeup Artist's Choice. It's very nice but it's not like Perricone either. I've used everything coming and going including Isomers (don't like) and Skinn (DO like) and a bunch of HSN brands like Prai, Elysee, SSC, et al so I know what I like and I like Perricone (even though it doesn't like my purse, LOL). I use products up that I buy before getting more even if I am not crazy about them. I don't like to waste product or money and sometimes you find some are pretty good if you stick with them. Some of course don't. I've never regretted anything Perricone I've bought.

Sometimes the higher price is worth it. I think Perricone is a quality product made to high standards and that costs a lot. Although truth be told, there probably IS a decent profit margin on it. lol.

Sometimes the higher price is not worth it - at least to me (i.e. Alegenist). But that's up to the individual consumer. Everyone may not agree and that's ok. But for ME personally, Perricone is just better.

My usual mantra is spend a little more on good skincare (though I do like Olay, I will admit) and then go cheapie on makeup. Works for me!

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shoekitty — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 06:12:14 GMT

On 1/12/2014 evelomaddict said:
i knew it. demetri said it.

perricone makes some very high quality items and they're very concentrated. he's certainly not the most expensive line on qvc either.

not every product is for everyone, which is why there are so many choices.

Thank you eve! Took the words right out of mouth, but you said it much nicer!

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GLAMMA — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 08:09:40 GMT

I don't know why Perricone products are so much higher or how they are put together I just know that they work. You really need to use the products longer then a minute to be fair.

I have used his products for almost 5 years. My skin is better in my late 60's then in my 30's. I really don't comment much, however, I felt I needed to this once. I know the products are more costly then drugstore items but the results are worth it . You have to make a commitment to these products otherwise you are wasting money and time. If you cannot make the commitment or spend the money you should say nothing, it is just mean.

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Lila4Now — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 10:58:22 GMT

Dublingrl is correct. His products are not subject to FDA review. What participants report is not considered science.

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millieshops — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 17:01:21 GMT

My take on this kind of stuff is that it's all about personal/corporate choice. They have the choice to charge whatever the traffic will bear and we as consumers have the choice to buy or not buy. As long as I know upfront what my cost will be, I can choose to buy or walk.

It sounds to me as if OP is feeling left out of the world of the rich and thinks it's someone else's job to make buying products such as Perricone affordable, that someone else should downgrade their lifestyle so she can change hers. I could have misread her, but that's my reading between the lines.

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lyn in MI — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 17:02:08 GMT

On 1/12/2014 Angeleyes55 said:

...CUT...

I have been listening to Demetri of Skinn Cosmetics speak of how water as the first ingredient is not a good thing at all, also Manwela who is a chemist and makes products Isomers speaks of water not being the choice first Ingredient and why on ShopHQ.

Angeleyes55 - Dimitri's big selling point is that he doesn't use water in his products and he maintains that his products are better than competitors due to that fact. Manuela from Isomers does NOT share his belief about water in skin care formulations at all!
Isomers believes our skin performs best if we use hydrous products, and you will find water listed first in (most) of their ingredient decks. Below is a response from Manuela on the Isomers forum defining the difference between anhydrous (Skinn) and hydrous (Isomers) formulations.

Hi Everyone,
We have received several email questions regarding anhydrous formulations. We hope this information is helpful:

To "hydrate" means to bring water to an area. When the skin is dry, it requires water and skin identical lipids. For cells to be healthy and transport nutrients and eliminate toxins, they also require water. Water is the universal solvent of our cells and body and is what our bodies and cells need to survive.

"Anhydrous" means without water or the absence of water. By definition this type of system cannot hydrate, cannot solve dryness. What it can do is make a wax or oil-like film and prevent water and air from getting out or in. Much like plastic film wrap that is used to keep a sandwich fresh. However unlike a sandwich, our skin is alive and requires water and air to be healthy. Petroleum jelly (Vaseline) is anhydrous and can be used as an occlusive barrier on the skin but it won't soften or remedy dryness in the cells.

What we have found, is that anhydrous formulations provide an "occlusive" barrier which results in an artificial sweating and swelling of the top skin layer giving the appearance of filling in fine lines. This is great for a temporary cosmetic effect and that is why in foundations or eye concealers this type of silicon or anhydrous system is used. In treatment, the story and ingredients need to be different. If you want to solve dryness and support the skin, then a system that works with liquids in a hydrating format should provide better long term and immediate results.

So depending on what you need from your skin this helps determine the system and type of formula.

Manuela
© Isomers.ca

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suzyQ3 — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:07:29 GMT

Yes, and that's why I always put oil on dampened hands before applying to dampened face.

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suzyQ3 — Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:08:22 GMT

On 1/12/2014 shoekitty said:
On 1/12/2014 evelomaddict said:
i knew it. demetri said it.

perricone makes some very high quality items and they're very concentrated. he's certainly not the most expensive line on qvc either.

not every product is for everyone, which is why there are so many choices.

Thank you eve! Took the words right out of mouth, but you said it much nicer!

Not to shock you or anything, shoekitty, but I totally agree.