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Re: The Gorilla They Killed at Cincinnati Zoo


@nun ya wrote:

I think they need better barriers. If a child can get past a barrier, under some bushes and fall in, the barrier isn't doing what it's designed to do.

 


EXACTLY.................enclosures should be built so that nothing can get out as well as nothing can get in............if that had been the case, we wouldn't have even been talking about this..............................raven

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Once that child fell into the exhibit, there was no way there was going to be a good ending.

It is a wonder the boy survived the 15 foot fall.

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From FB -- 

 

Amanda O'Donoughue

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I am going to try to clear up a few things that have been weighing on me about Harambe and the Cinci Zoo since I read the news this afternoon.
I have worked with Gorillas as a zookeeper while in my twenties (before children) and they are my favorite animal (out of dozens) that I have ever worked closely with. I am gonna go ahead and list a few facts, thoughts and opinions for those of you that aren't familiar with the species itself, or how a zoo operates in emergency situations.

Now Gorillas are considered 'gentle giants' at least when compared with their more aggressive cousins the chimpanzee, but a 400+ pound male in his prime is as strong as roughly 10 adult humans. What can you bench press? OK, now multiply that number by ten. An adult male silverback gorilla has one job, to protect his group. He does this by bluffing or intimidating anything that he feels threatened by.

Gorillas are considered a Class 1 mammal, the most dangerous class of mammals in the animal kingdom, again, merely due to their size and strength. They are grouped in with other apes, tigers, lions, bears, etc.
While working in an AZA accredited zoo with Apes, keepers DO NOT work in contact with them. Meaning they do NOT go in with these animals. There is always a welded mesh barrier between the animal and the humans.
In more recent decades, zoos have begun to redesign enclosures, removing all obvious caging and attempting to create a seamless view of the animals for the visitor to enjoy watching animals in a more natural looking habitat. *this is great until little children begin falling into exhibits* which of course can happen to anyone, especially in a crowded zoo-like setting.

I have watched this video over again, and with the silverback's postering, and tight lips, it's pretty much the stuff of any keeper's nightmares, and I have had MANY while working with them. This job is not for the complacent. Gorillas are kind, curious, and sometimes silly, but they are also very large, very strong animals. I always brought my OCD to work with me. checking and rechecking locks to make sure my animals and I remained separated before entering to clean.

I keep hearing that the Gorilla was trying to protect the boy. I do not find this to be true. Harambe reaches for the boys hands and arms, but only to position the child better for his own displaying purposes.
Males do very elaborate displays when highly agitated, slamming and dragging things about. Typically they would drag large branches, barrels and heavy weighted balls around to make as much noise as possible. Not in an effort to hurt anyone or anything (usually) but just to intimidate. It was clear to me that he was reacting to the screams coming from the gathering crowd.

Harambe was most likely not going to separate himself from that child without seriously hurting him first (again due to mere size and strength, not malicious intent) Why didn't they use treats? well, they attempted to call them off exhibit (which animals hate), the females in the group came in, but Harambe did not. What better treat for a captive animal than a real live kid!
They didn't use Tranquilizers for a few reasons, A. Harambe would've taken too long to become immobilized, and could have really injured the child in the process as the drugs used may not work quickly enough depending on the stress of the situation and the dose B. Harambe would've have drowned in the moat if immobilized in the water, and possibly fallen on the boy trapping him and drowning him as well.
Many zoos have the protocol to call on their expertly trained dart team in the event of an animal escape or in the event that a human is trapped with a dangerous animal. They will evaluate the scene as quickly and as safely as possible, and will make the most informed decision as how they will handle the animal.
I can't point fingers at anyone in this situation, but we need to really evaluate the safety of the animal enclosures from the visitor side. Not impeding that view is a tough one, but there should be no way that someone can find themselves inside of an animal's exhibit.
I know one thing for sure, those keepers lost a beautiful, and I mean gorgeous silverback and friend. I feel their loss with them this week. As educators and conservators of endangered species, all we can do is shine a light on the beauty and majesty of these animals in hopes to spark a love and a need to keep them from vanishing from our planet. Child killers, they are not. It's unfortunate for the conservation of the species, and the loss of revenue a beautiful zoo such as Cinci will lose. tragedy all around.

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http://www.wlwt.com/news/Saturday-was-first-barrier-breach-at-Cincinnati-Zoo-s-Gorilla-World-since-1...

 

He climbed over the fence and then through barbed wire and bushes??? wow

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Thank you Mellie32 for your knowledgeable, thoughtful perspective that you brought to this conversation.  I felt this was a tragedy all the way around.  I know my mother always kept me close to her and never let me me wonder.  Sounds like the enclosure needed improving..too bad there was no alternative other than shooting him..sounds like this was the only decision to be made under the circumsdtances...

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@Mellie32 I just saw this, and was going to post it here.

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thanks @Mellie32

 

a few more comments from amanda odonoughue....

 

Amanda O'Donoughue You know as well as I do, that it's protocol in a situation like this. I feel deeply for his keepers.

 

Amanda O'Donoughue most do use tranquilizers for medical purposes. Certain animals can only safely be given certain Tranqs. Gorillas are usually given Ketamine. The 'knock down' time varies depending on how much is dosed (they have hands so they will pull out the darts).

 

Amanda O'Donoughue He was very agitated unfortunately.

 

Amanda O'Donoughue the video makes me shake. It is very hard for me to watch. it's so ****** sad that poor child is going to be traumatized.

 

Amanda O'Donoughue It's so hard not to want to blame someone, but as a mother of two curious lil boys, I know how hard it is to keep them in my sights. It was unfortunate all around. And I know you see your share of stupidity.

 

Amanda O'Donoughue It's my understanding that the public was cleared as fast as they could be. Keepers would have most likely been inside the night areas, prepping to bring the gorilla off exhibit. I believe they were successful bringing the females in, but couldn't coax Harambe inside. The child's cries most likely agitated the situation as well as the onlookers. I am confident of one thing. If the dart team would've showed up to immobilize the male, he would have become even more agitated and dangerous upon seeing the dart gun. Gorillas hate when you point things at them, as their experience with guns usually involves veterinarians, during their annual health checks. It's a very stressful time, but necessary to keep the animals in best health. Each animal would've reacted differently depending on how they were raised. Harambe was young enough to have been reared by his mother in captivity, and was behaving like a real silverback in this situation. They are very peaceful animals, and anything out of the ordinary from their routine can cause stress.

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There was absolutely no other option than to kill the gorilla.  Yes, maybe the parents were somewhat to blame for not keeping a closer eye on their kid, but that doesn't change what had to be done to protect the child.  Gorillas aren't cutsey Disney creatures -- they're incredibly strong and dangerous.  Going at this any other way probably would've resulted in a dead child.

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@The Monkey on My Back wrote:

@febe1 wrote:



It was reported on the news: Even if this didn't happen, Harambe dragging the boy thru the water like a rag doll was a sign of aggression and antagonism. The Zoo made the correct decision.


Wouldn't this be your interpretation of what occurred? I have not read anything from an animal specialist that the gorilla's behavior was "a sign of aggression and antagonism". Did you read this somewhere? 


@Say Nay, the Zoo director has stated this and that he would have to do the same thing with hind sight. I think the Zoo director made the right decision. Even the caretaker, who cared for Harambe from a baby, grieved but said the decision was necessary.

 

No one knows what the Silver Back would have done, just that in a split second he could have killed the boy. The decision was necessaRY.

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@The Monkey on My Back wrote:

@KentuckyWoman wrote:

For those who are familiar with the Bible, Mary and Joseph lost Jesus in the Temple and didn't realize he was missing for one day.  Just saying maybe we shouldn't judge or condemn others when we may not have all the facts.

It's already been several days since the incident. There are many links posted in this thread that include quotes from eyewitnesses,  statements from the family of the boy and other people who were involved in the rescue as well as the head of the zoo. That's a lot of information to make a conclusion.


Maybe.  I wasn't there and I don't know what happened.  Neither were you or any of the other posters.  Everybody has an opinion and I'm entitled to mine.  Kids can get away from you in a heartbeat.  It doesn't make one a bad parent or a worthless piece of flesh.  Life happens and in my life my child comes before anybody and any animal.  Was it unfortunate?  Absolutely, but it I am not going to judge those parents or the zoo officials.