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07-26-2016 08:06 PM
@dooBdoo The mousetrap question was one of the more interesting (aka loud and emotional) question/debates in my Ethics class. It came down to expectiations which is often discussed in a courtroom during a trial.
*does the person have the expectation that they can leave their purse with money in it in their office/workplace and not be robbed
*does a thief have the expectation that they can rob but not suffer physical harm
*does society have the expectation that just because something is there, it WILL be stolen
and so on.
Like I said, it was one of the more loudly discussed questions.
BTW: it would not be considered baiting, in this instance. Yes, someone brought that up. Why? Too long, too much to type out. : )
07-26-2016 09:27 PM
The refrigerator scenario is nothing like the purse scenario.
One is public domain & the other is personal property.
How about the illustration of:
Storing a box of tampons in a women's work restroom.
Unless your name is written on the wrapper on every single tampon, thus making each tampon your personal property, it's communal property.
In regards to the OP (legally...if really happened), the note says 'all week".
For illustration purposes we'll say Monday-Friday.
She cleverly stored a bodily fluid in communal property.
On Monday it was fine.
The question of legal ramifications sets in on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
She knew it was touched on Tuesday so it was HER decision to continue the ruse for four full days, possibly giving someone an infectious disease (HIV, hepatitis). The legality is based upon her intent.
Now, I don't believe for a minute there was actual milk in that bottle.
I don't even believe there was a scenario of someone taking anything.
This gal just wrote something on a post-it note, slapped it on her home creamer, snapped & posted a pic, then sat back & watch the interweb buzz. I think it's just a bit to drive up her Facebook hits, but the "breast milk in the creamer" story sure has brought up many different angles.
07-26-2016 10:22 PM
@LilacTree wrote:Why not just bring your own lunch in a cooler bag? Check out Google . . . even Rachel Ray sells one.
Hi @LilacTree,
Some of us mentioned having to do this, when our lunches/items were being repeatedly stolen from our lunches out of the office refrigerators.
I started to bring my lunch to work in a thermal cooler bag after that, with a gel freezer pack.
That way, I could lock up my lunch without having to wonder if anyone would have access to it. It was still cool enough by the time that I would eat it, too.
07-27-2016 01:37 AM
something tells me after all of this...........that kid is probably weaned by now......................................raven
07-27-2016 02:10 AM
@sidsmom wrote:The refrigerator scenario is nothing like the purse scenario.
One is public domain & the other is personal property.
How about the illustration of:
Storing a box of tampons in a women's work restroom.
Unless your name is written on the wrapper on every single tampon, thus making each tampon your personal property, it's communal property.
In regards to the OP (legally...if really happened), the note says 'all week".
For illustration purposes we'll say Monday-Friday.
She cleverly stored a bodily fluid in communal property.
On Monday it was fine.
The question of legal ramifications sets in on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
She knew it was touched on Tuesday so it was HER decision to continue the ruse for four full days, possibly giving someone an infectious disease (HIV, hepatitis). The legality is based upon her intent.
Now, I don't believe for a minute there was actual milk in that bottle.
I don't even believe there was a scenario of someone taking anything.
This gal just wrote something on a post-it note, slapped it on her home creamer, snapped & posted a pic, then sat back & watch the interweb buzz. I think it's just a bit to drive up her Facebook hits, but the "breast milk in the creamer" story sure has brought up many different angles.
No, that's not right. If I deliberately leave any items, such as tampons or hairspray, in the ladies room, they don't automatically become community and free to all, just because they aren't labeled. They are still mine.
07-27-2016 07:58 AM
@sidsmom wrote:The refrigerator scenario is nothing like the purse scenario.
One is public domain & the other is personal property.
How about the illustration of:
Storing a box of tampons in a women's work restroom.
Unless your name is written on the wrapper on every single tampon, thus making each tampon your personal property, it's communal property.
In regards to the OP (legally...if really happened), the note says 'all week".
For illustration purposes we'll say Monday-Friday.
She cleverly stored a bodily fluid in communal property.
On Monday it was fine.
The question of legal ramifications sets in on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
She knew it was touched on Tuesday so it was HER decision to continue the ruse for four full days, possibly giving someone an infectious disease (HIV, hepatitis). The legality is based upon her intent.
Now, I don't believe for a minute there was actual milk in that bottle.
I don't even believe there was a scenario of someone taking anything.
This gal just wrote something on a post-it note, slapped it on her home creamer, snapped & posted a pic, then sat back & watch the interweb buzz. I think it's just a bit to drive up her Facebook hits, but the "breast milk in the creamer" story sure has brought up many different angles.
Incorrect. And believe me, I was shocked to learn that. Again, it all comes down to expectations and social norms, etc.
If a thief breaks into your house and is injured, he/she has the right to sue you in many states. Often a homeowner does not have the right to any type of force to protect themselves. Expectations; it's a fascinating aspect of ethics and how a law in interpreted.
Like the wise person told me earlier "there is common sense and there is the law. Rarely do the two meet."
07-27-2016 08:21 AM - edited 07-27-2016 03:06 PM
@SahmIam wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:The refrigerator scenario is nothing like the purse scenario.
One is public domain & the other is personal property.
How about the illustration of:
Storing a box of tampons in a women's work restroom.
Unless your name is written on the wrapper on every single tampon, thus making each tampon your personal property, it's communal property.
In regards to the OP (legally...if really happened), the note says 'all week".
For illustration purposes we'll say Monday-Friday.
She cleverly stored a bodily fluid in communal property.
On Monday it was fine.
The question of legal ramifications sets in on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
She knew it was touched on Tuesday so it was HER decision to continue the ruse for four full days, possibly giving someone an infectious disease (HIV, hepatitis). The legality is based upon her intent.
Now, I don't believe for a minute there was actual milk in that bottle.
I don't even believe there was a scenario of someone taking anything.
This gal just wrote something on a post-it note, slapped it on her home creamer, snapped & posted a pic, then sat back & watch the interweb buzz. I think it's just a bit to drive up her Facebook hits, but the "breast milk in the creamer" story sure has brought up many different angles.
Incorrect. And believe me, I was shocked to learn that. Again, it all comes down to expectations and social norms, etc.
If a thief breaks into your house and is injured, he/she has the right to sue you in many states. Often a homeowner does not have the right to any type of force to protect themselves. Expectations; it's a fascinating aspect of ethics and how a law in interpreted.
Your house is personal property. Using your example to relate back to the creamer, the creamer bottle was not labeled with a name, thus communal property.
Once the lady placed the post-it note on the creamer bottle, it became her personal domain & the thief then has the right to sue if an infectious disease occurs after drinking said liquid.
I think we all agree office break rooms & refrigerators...and microwaves (!)...are just nasty icky!
Like I said upthread, it's an interesting topic w/ many different sides.
07-27-2016 02:37 PM
@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:The refrigerator scenario is nothing like the purse scenario.
One is public domain & the other is personal property.
How about the illustration of:
Storing a box of tampons in a women's work restroom.
Unless your name is written on the wrapper on every single tampon, thus making each tampon your personal property, it's communal property.
In regards to the OP (legally...if really happened), the note says 'all week".
For illustration purposes we'll say Monday-Friday.
She cleverly stored a bodily fluid in communal property.
On Monday it was fine.
The question of legal ramifications sets in on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
She knew it was touched on Tuesday so it was HER decision to continue the ruse for four full days, possibly giving someone an infectious disease (HIV, hepatitis). The legality is based upon her intent.
Now, I don't believe for a minute there was actual milk in that bottle.
I don't even believe there was a scenario of someone taking anything.
This gal just wrote something on a post-it note, slapped it on her home creamer, snapped & posted a pic, then sat back & watch the interweb buzz. I think it's just a bit to drive up her Facebook hits, but the "breast milk in the creamer" story sure has brought up many different angles.
No, that's not right. If I deliberately leave any items, such as tampons or hairspray, in the ladies room, they don't automatically become community and free to all, just because they aren't labeled. They are still mine.
So does that mean it's ok for us to leave
our possessions out in the open anywhere?
And everybody has to leave them alone
even tho they dont know who they belong to
or if they're out in a common use or
public place for everyone?
Ive read about people leaving things out
and about for others to pick up and keep,
but this sounds like if anybody did pick it
up and keep it they'd be a criminal?
07-27-2016 05:06 PM
@newziesuzie wrote:
@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:The refrigerator scenario is nothing like the purse scenario.
One is public domain & the other is personal property.
How about the illustration of:
Storing a box of tampons in a women's work restroom.
Unless your name is written on the wrapper on every single tampon, thus making each tampon your personal property, it's communal property.
In regards to the OP (legally...if really happened), the note says 'all week".
For illustration purposes we'll say Monday-Friday.
She cleverly stored a bodily fluid in communal property.
On Monday it was fine.
The question of legal ramifications sets in on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
She knew it was touched on Tuesday so it was HER decision to continue the ruse for four full days, possibly giving someone an infectious disease (HIV, hepatitis). The legality is based upon her intent.
Now, I don't believe for a minute there was actual milk in that bottle.
I don't even believe there was a scenario of someone taking anything.
This gal just wrote something on a post-it note, slapped it on her home creamer, snapped & posted a pic, then sat back & watch the interweb buzz. I think it's just a bit to drive up her Facebook hits, but the "breast milk in the creamer" story sure has brought up many different angles.
No, that's not right. If I deliberately leave any items, such as tampons or hairspray, in the ladies room, they don't automatically become community and free to all, just because they aren't labeled. They are still mine.
So does that mean it's ok for us to leave
our possessions out in the open anywhere?
And everybody has to leave them alone
even tho they dont know who they belong to
or if they're out in a common use or
public place for everyone?
Ive read about people leaving things out
and about for others to pick up and keep,
but this sounds like if anybody did pick it
up and keep it they'd be a criminal?
If my professor (Ethics and Criminal Reasoning) was correct, the answer is Yes. (which was part of the thought process behind my post to Sidsmom). Once upon a time, the behavior of "don't touch UNLESS it's yours" was the norm in society (I was taught that. No, it was DRILLED into me you NEVER touch what doesn't belong to you). The circumstances didn't matter; unless YOUR name is on it, you don't touch it, use it, take it, etc.
At some point, that attitude, the norm changed. Now it's like "you leave it out there, you're a fool and deserve whatever happens to you". Why is that? WHen did it change? My sons are taught what I was taught. Do they abide by it? I sincerely hope so.
Again, it's a fascinating topic/question.
07-27-2016 05:13 PM
@sidsmom wrote:
@SahmIam wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:The refrigerator scenario is nothing like the purse scenario.
One is public domain & the other is personal property.
How about the illustration of:
Storing a box of tampons in a women's work restroom.
Unless your name is written on the wrapper on every single tampon, thus making each tampon your personal property, it's communal property.
In regards to the OP (legally...if really happened), the note says 'all week".
For illustration purposes we'll say Monday-Friday.
She cleverly stored a bodily fluid in communal property.
On Monday it was fine.
The question of legal ramifications sets in on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
She knew it was touched on Tuesday so it was HER decision to continue the ruse for four full days, possibly giving someone an infectious disease (HIV, hepatitis). The legality is based upon her intent.
Now, I don't believe for a minute there was actual milk in that bottle.
I don't even believe there was a scenario of someone taking anything.
This gal just wrote something on a post-it note, slapped it on her home creamer, snapped & posted a pic, then sat back & watch the interweb buzz. I think it's just a bit to drive up her Facebook hits, but the "breast milk in the creamer" story sure has brought up many different angles.
Incorrect. And believe me, I was shocked to learn that. Again, it all comes down to expectations and social norms, etc.
If a thief breaks into your house and is injured, he/she has the right to sue you in many states. Often a homeowner does not have the right to any type of force to protect themselves. Expectations; it's a fascinating aspect of ethics and how a law in interpreted.
Your house is personal property. Using your example to relate back to the creamer, the creamer bottle was not labeled with a name, thus communal property.
Once the lady placed the post-it note on the creamer bottle, it became her personal domain & the thief then has the right to sue if an infectious disease occurs after drinking said liquid.
I think we all agree office break rooms & refrigerators...and microwaves (!)...are just nasty icky!
Like I said upthread, it's an interesting topic w/ many different sides.
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Uh, no. I'd love to hear what Judge Judy thought about that, lol.
I would never assume anything without a name on it was mine to use or have access to.
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