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Re: Medical errors, third leading cause of deaths in the US

My Father's death was due to a combination of many medical errors, all in one day. A Perfect Storm as it were.  My Mother chose not to litigate (though she was encouraged to do so by a family friend who was a doctor) because it wouldn't bring my Dad back.

 

I told her that I would support her decision, I did feel that by taking it to court it may prevent another family from having to go through what we had gone through with Dad.

 

That was 19 years ago and It still happens all the time.

 

If I were to go into a hospital today, I would bring a cadre of advocates with me, it's now personal.

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I was an RN working in hospitals for 40 yrs. in ICU and oncology. I will tell you this--medical errors are grossly UNDER reported. Not only are gauzes left in patients, I've seen forceps. I've read some excellent posts here, but some of you are really posting untruths.

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Re: Medical errors, third leading cause of deaths in the US


@Mominohio wrote:

@Reba055 wrote:

Well this is no suprise to me. The move to more "socialized" medicine has led to the decline in medical care. Doctors are too busy jumping through hoops and filling out paperwork, pushing patients through their office at break neck speed, and being told what meds they can prescribe to have time to properly diagnose and treat patients. 

 

When I worked in the medical field years ago (hospital and private practice) many times I left the office and the doctor was still there with medical journals piled sky high on their desk, when they had a patient where the diagnosis was not obvious. Often three or four other physicians would drop by and they would consult over the patient. Do you think they do that today? Nope. Any after hour time is spent dealing with red tape. 

 

It also seems like critical thinking has been replaced with a formula. Order X test, if this, do that, etc. If tests are negative, they ship you off to another specialist. After all, they aren't paid to spend time trying to think outside the box. They'll be penalized if they spend too much time with you. 

 

Add to that the crappy generic drugs being crammed down our throats, and it's no wonder. 

 

There are exceptions at some teaching hospitals, but by and large, in my opinion, there is not much gathering around the patient to get to the bottom of what's truly going on. 

 

Be careful what you wish for!


 

 

Excellent post, and very true!

 

One has to wonder if it can or will get better, because as insurance pays less and less and procedures cost more and more, people inside the profession will only do what is within the parameters, and have no incentive or ability to look/think outside the box. 

 

Medicine, contrary to the exciting medical shows that have been on TV over the years, is becoming more rote and predictable. If a test, procedure, treatment is outside the normal protocol, it is many times not being pursued.


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I have to disagree with both you.

 

Medical advances are occurring daily. Some cancers that were a death sentence even 10 years ago are being successfully treated with brand new therapies.  Medical specialists, in my experience, are right on the cutting edge of the latest ,state of the art treatments and therapies.  

 

Specialty clinics use a holistic approach combining specialty doctors, wellness education, and palliative care like nutrition and massage therapy to treat patients. Doctors of different specialties often conference about patient care.

 

The computer has replaced the stacks of medical charts and that's good.  I can even log into my providers website and review my own records whenever I choose.  

 

It's possible neither of you has been a patient in a state of the art facility recently.  It's a brand new world out there and most of it is a vast improvement from "the old days".

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@mstyrion 1 wrote:

@Mominohio wrote:

@Reba055 wrote:

Well this is no suprise to me. The move to more "socialized" medicine has led to the decline in medical care. Doctors are too busy jumping through hoops and filling out paperwork, pushing patients through their office at break neck speed, and being told what meds they can prescribe to have time to properly diagnose and treat patients. 

 

When I worked in the medical field years ago (hospital and private practice) many times I left the office and the doctor was still there with medical journals piled sky high on their desk, when they had a patient where the diagnosis was not obvious. Often three or four other physicians would drop by and they would consult over the patient. Do you think they do that today? Nope. Any after hour time is spent dealing with red tape. 

 

It also seems like critical thinking has been replaced with a formula. Order X test, if this, do that, etc. If tests are negative, they ship you off to another specialist. After all, they aren't paid to spend time trying to think outside the box. They'll be penalized if they spend too much time with you. 

 

Add to that the crappy generic drugs being crammed down our throats, and it's no wonder. 

 

There are exceptions at some teaching hospitals, but by and large, in my opinion, there is not much gathering around the patient to get to the bottom of what's truly going on. 

 

Be careful what you wish for!


 

 

Excellent post, and very true!

 

One has to wonder if it can or will get better, because as insurance pays less and less and procedures cost more and more, people inside the profession will only do what is within the parameters, and have no incentive or ability to look/think outside the box. 

 

Medicine, contrary to the exciting medical shows that have been on TV over the years, is becoming more rote and predictable. If a test, procedure, treatment is outside the normal protocol, it is many times not being pursued.


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I have to disagree with both you.

 

Medical advances are occurring daily. Some cancers that were a death sentence even 10 years ago are being successfully treated with brand new therapies.  Medical specialists, in my experience, are right on the cutting edge of the latest ,state of the art treatments and therapies.  

 

Specialty clinics use a holistic approach combining specialty doctors, wellness education, and palliative care like nutrition and massage therapy to treat patients. Doctors of different specialties often conference about patient care.

 

The computer has replaced the stacks of medical charts and that's good.  I can even log into my providers website and review my own records whenever I choose.  

 

It's possible neither of you has been a patient in a state of the art facility recently.  It's a brand new world out there and most of it is a vast improvement from "the old days".


 

No one is denying the huge medical advances and modern miracle treatments and cures we now have.

 

What is at issue is that as the game continues to change, more and more providers are not looking to do anymore for many patients than the protocol prescribes. The insurances pay so little, or not at all, and oftentimes patients are not aware of all their options, even if they were willing to pay themselves.

 

Not everyone has access to the high end state of the art facilities mentioned, but even in lesser facilities, the advancements are great. The advancements, though, don't eliminate human error in judgement or actions, in either setting. It doesn't address the overworked and understaffed conditions many places. And it doesn't change the fact that not every health care professional graduated at the top of their class.

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My insurance won't even cover a yearly pap now - once every 3 years.

 

I think that's terrible...

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@Beachy1 wrote:

My insurance won't even cover a yearly pap now - once every 3 years.

 

I think that's terrible...


@bri20This is the new guidelines. And usually when the medical profession 'changes' the guidelines, the insurance companies follow with refusing to pay. 

 

I've already told my OBGYN that I will pay myself for the 'off' years just for the peace of mind. 

 

The justification behind it is that cervical cancer is a very slow growing cancer, and the pre cancer cells will be easily seen within a three year cycle, before it develops and gets out of hand. 

 

Ok, well, thanks anyway, but I'll get the test, which is simple, without complications and have the peace of mind.

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I paid for my own too. 

 

I think it's foolish not to have one every year...

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As I understood the new guidelines, they were not about money, but the fact that they were not considered necessary every year.

 

I think there are provisions for those who are high risk.  No?

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@Noel7 wrote:

As I understood the new guidelines, they were not about money, but the fact that they were not considered necessary every year.

 

I think there are provisions for those who are high risk.  No?


I would hope there were provisions for those at risk. 

 

But in reality, they did indeed say the test is no longer considered necessary yearly based on the slow growth of cervical cancers in general, but everything in life pretty much boils down to money. 

 

I fear 'they' have put money above the health of women, yet one more time. Only time will tell if cervical cancer rates increase due to less frequent testing and finding it earlier.

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@Reba055 wrote:

Well this is no suprise to me. The move to more "socialized" medicine has led to the decline in medical care. Doctors are too busy jumping through hoops and filling out paperwork, pushing patients through their office at break neck speed, and being told what meds they can prescribe to have time to properly diagnose and treat patients. 

 

When I worked in the medical field years ago (hospital and private practice) many times I left the office and the doctor was still there with medical journals piled sky high on their desk, when they had a patient where the diagnosis was not obvious. Often three or four other physicians would drop by and they would consult over the patient. Do you think they do that today? Nope. Any after hour time is spent dealing with red tape. 

 

It also seems like critical thinking has been replaced with a formula. Order X test, if this, do that, etc. If tests are negative, they ship you off to another specialist. After all, they aren't paid to spend time trying to think outside the box. They'll be penalized if they spend too much time with you. 

 

Add to that the crappy generic drugs being crammed down our throats, and it's no wonder. 

 

There are exceptions at some teaching hospitals, but by and large, in my opinion, there is not much gathering around the patient to get to the bottom of what's truly going on. 

 

Be careful what you wish for!


 

If that is the case, what was responsible when this first was recognized and the landmark publication by the Institute of Medicine published its "To Err Is Human" report way back in 1999?   That landmark report, which can be googled and readily obtained by anyone, brought to light the enormous number of patients that were dying due to medical errors.

 

And by far in large, one of the greatest factors involved in the number of deaths that occur in this area are Adverse Drug Events due to the wrong medication or wrong dosage of medication being administered.  Nurses work under-staffed and are required to work mandated overtime to the point they are many times exhausted.  Therefore, more prone to make mistakes.  Yet, nurses in many states have not been able to get legislation for mandated staffing ratios passed in their state.

 

Pharmaceutical companies make medications in vials or ampules that look quite similar, further making it much easier for a tired, rushed nurse to make a mistake.

 

And the next highest contributing factor is the archaic, complex system that is our health care system.  Mistakes are made with communication between handoffs of physicians, nurses, and other health care providers.  That may occur as a patient is transferred from the Post Anesthesia Care Unit to the Intensive Care Unit or even between 2 doctors. 

 

Some research does suggest that those "formulas" or guidelines that have been developed, have improved patient quality outcomes.  The serious errors occur due to misinformation during handoff between physicians as patients are being referred or transferred. Not that there aren't docs just making plain ole mistakes, but that didn't account for the biggest part of the overall problem. 

 

Unfortunately, this problem is not new and has been around in the healthcare system for decades.  There are initiatives that have been around for quite some time to deal with these issues:  Save 5 million lives campaign, Quality Safety, and Education in Nursing (QSEN) to name just a few.

 

Problem is we didn't have a system that requires hospitals to participate in any of these initiatives and therefore, many hospitals didn't participate, or they decided to do their own thing leading to multiple hospitals being on all different pages as to if and how they were monitoring adverse events. So over the years, the problem exacerbated and the number of deaths due to medical error continued to climb.  The  Affordable Health Care Act addressed this in changing reimbursement.  Authors of the 1999 Institute of Medicine Report requested this change to be included in healthcare reform to address their findings.  It changed federal reimbursement to hospitals and made reimbursement dependent upon quality patient outcomes & plans to address their deficits.  That is a major change in reimbursement and is an audacious goal.  However, it has made hospitals have to work on developing quality initiatives to address their problems if they want to be reimbursed.  

 

And there is no doubt that the numbers of deaths due to medical error are under-reported.  We have miles to go to improve, but the greatest work that needs to be done is in the sytem itself,  as well as addressing safety factors related to nurses having to take too many patients during their shift and work long arduous hours to cover low staffing.

 

 


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