Cloistered Society - Page 8

itiswhatitis · ‎05-27-2016

@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@itiswhatitis wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@chickenbutt wrote:
There are some religious societies that are pretty cloistered, even still. You are only allowed to believe certain things, think a certain way, and consider everybody who doesn't think like you, or believe what you believe, to be the dammed.

Stuff like that leaves a pretty narrow world view.
A narrow view of the world still would not make a person or society intolerant or not accepting of differences.
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It usually does. If people aren't introduced to a variety of ideas they usually don't learn to think on their own, or they may not consider new information that challenges what they already think.
Just have to disagree. You are making sweeping generalizations about groups of people based upon what. Your personal experiences and beliefs.
No @CrazyDaisy, based on studies and how it really is in the real world. These are facts. Humans self-segregate for the purposes of being with those who look like them and share the same values. It's true and has always been true. Nothing more than being human. Humans do this, just like animals do. A wolf pack contains what? Wolves. A herd of elephants contain what? Elephants. Humans do the same thing. The problem when humans doing it ~ since we're the higher species is to further sub categorize based on many other social constructs like race, ethnic group, and wealth.

If a wealthy minority community moves into a wealthy White neighborhood you would think that at least one other sub culture is eliminated. That one would be where wealth is a criteria.
Why do you keep avoiding the question, just because a group chooses to segregate themselves does not make them intolerant and not accepting of differences. It is how they choose to live. They are not hurting anybody, if you choose to believe and live as they do you are accepted to live in their community, they do not look down or think less of those who do not. Seems to me that they are not the ones who are intolerant.

I'm not avoiding anything. If people choose to remain insular it's because they are intolerant of others. That's my belief. That's what studies show. You ought to even know this if you're a middle classed person. Do you hob nob with rich folk? Even ever invited? No. You won't be unless you're as rich as them.

The insular and cloistered include class as well.

*Call Tyrone*

SahmIam · ‎04-16-2010

I think anyone who hasn't experienced a specific event/situation is not going to have the same viewpoint as someone who has; doesn't matter if they've been raised in a cloistered society or not.

It all comes down to what you have experienced vs what you have not. That specific aspect can be applied to anyone raised anywhere in any environment.

itiswhatitis · ‎05-27-2016

@SahmIam wrote:
I think anyone who hasn't experienced a specific event/situation is not going to have the same viewpoint as someone who has; doesn't matter if they've been raised in a cloistered society or not.

It all comes down to what you have experienced vs what you have not. That specific aspect can be applied to anyone raised anywhere in any environment.

You'd need a lot of experiences then. You'll also need more than a once in a while event. It takes effort. Let's not forget every sub-culture within cultures. We can't define a culture singularly.

*Call Tyrone*

YorkieonmyPillow · ‎01-13-2013

@Marp wrote:

Do you think people that grew up in or live socially cloistered lives tend to be more inflexible in their thinking, tolerance and acceptance of differences than those from more diverse communities?

For the purpose of this discussion "socially cloistered" means an environment where nearly everyone has the same background and exposures that would limit how they see society beyond their individual experiences (i.e., I've never seen/heard that, who would think that way, that can't be true).

No, because I don't think people in general are that simple-minded.

Tolerance isn't necessarily a good thing - many things shouldn't be tolerated.

I don't know who said this, but, "To tolerate the intolerable and to never cast judgment are manifestations of moral cowardice."

JMO.

Imadickens · ‎06-15-2016

@SahmIam wrote:
I think anyone who hasn't experienced a specific event/situation is not going to have the same viewpoint as someone who has; doesn't matter if they've been raised in a cloistered society or not.

It all comes down to what you have experienced vs what you have not. That specific aspect can be applied to anyone raised anywhere in any environment.

I think it has to go a little beyond experience! It also has to do with what we are taught as well. For example, a child raised in a vegan home that has never been told why the family is vegan might go to a barb-b-que, smell ribs cooking and try them! But, if the family has told their children why they don't eat meat, the child might not be tempted!

Never underestimate the power of kindness.

CANDLEQUEEN · ‎03-09-2010

@Kitlynn wrote:
I grew up in a small rural area where the main livihood was farming and ranching. We didn't have any African Americans living in our town. And only a couple of Mexican families. It was really a pretty much all Caucasion community. I was a Sophomore in high school before I actually saw an African American and that was at a nearby college. Now my parents raised us to not judge any one by the color of their skin, religious beliefs, political affliations or their sexual preferences. They told us that everyone is created by God and that all we should judge anyone on is how they treat us. Now I have to say to this day I think that was great advice and it has served me well. When I grew up and moved to a city I never gave a thought to any of these things. I just saw and still do see all of us as human beings and I feel like there is good and bad in every race. So I think it has less to do with where you are raised and live and more to do with how you were raised.

Kitlyn,

You said this better than I could have, and it is exactly what I was thinking, except for we were raised in a racially mixed area, and so color meant nothing to us, we were also raised to judge people by their actions not their looks, my mom is racially mixed, and so it was always a given in our family to see people of different races, religions and cultures, we learned to embrace differences, and to learn about them....

SahmIam · ‎04-16-2010

@itiswhatitis Yes, you do.

My point is, in the end, every person is going to feel/act/think all the things people are stating as what is wrong with society because they have not experienced those things that others have; how can they? As you said, it's a lot of experiences.

So you develop an open mind? You choose not to be judgmental? Not easy, but it can be done. I don't think ANYONE, however, can be non-judgemental in some way. Again, as you also pointed out: experiences, culture, religious beliefs, social standing....all play a role.

It simply is what it is.

CrazyDaisy · ‎03-20-2010

@itiswhatitis wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@itiswhatitis wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@chickenbutt wrote:
There are some religious societies that are pretty cloistered, even still. You are only allowed to believe certain things, think a certain way, and consider everybody who doesn't think like you, or believe what you believe, to be the dammed.

Stuff like that leaves a pretty narrow world view.
A narrow view of the world still would not make a person or society intolerant or not accepting of differences.
************************************

It usually does. If people aren't introduced to a variety of ideas they usually don't learn to think on their own, or they may not consider new information that challenges what they already think.
Just have to disagree. You are making sweeping generalizations about groups of people based upon what. Your personal experiences and beliefs.
No @CrazyDaisy, based on studies and how it really is in the real world. These are facts. Humans self-segregate for the purposes of being with those who look like them and share the same values. It's true and has always been true. Nothing more than being human. Humans do this, just like animals do. A wolf pack contains what? Wolves. A herd of elephants contain what? Elephants. Humans do the same thing. The problem when humans doing it ~ since we're the higher species is to further sub categorize based on many other social constructs like race, ethnic group, and wealth.

If a wealthy minority community moves into a wealthy White neighborhood you would think that at least one other sub culture is eliminated. That one would be where wealth is a criteria.
Why do you keep avoiding the question, just because a group chooses to segregate themselves does not make them intolerant and not accepting of differences. It is how they choose to live. They are not hurting anybody, if you choose to believe and live as they do you are accepted to live in their community, they do not look down or think less of those who do not. Seems to me that they are not the ones who are intolerant.
I'm not avoiding anything. If people choose to remain insular it's because they are intolerant of others. That's my belief. That's what studies show. You ought to even know this if you're a middle classed person. Do you hob nob with rich folk? Even ever invited? No. You won't be unless you're as rich as them.

The insular and cloistered include class as well.

I have to whole heartedly disagree with this statement. By your own example if you are not out hob nobbing with the homeless people, you are the intolerant one.

Someday, when scientists discover the center of the Universe....some people will be disappointed it is not them.

itiswhatitis · ‎05-27-2016

@YorkieonmyPillow wrote:
@Marp wrote:

Do you think people that grew up in or live socially cloistered lives tend to be more inflexible in their thinking, tolerance and acceptance of differences than those from more diverse communities?

For the purpose of this discussion "socially cloistered" means an environment where nearly everyone has the same background and exposures that would limit how they see society beyond their individual experiences (i.e., I've never seen/heard that, who would think that way, that can't be true).

No, because I don't think people in general are that simple-minded.

But they are, just that simple minded! Many of them are. I call it group-thinking.

*Call Tyrone*

SahmIam · ‎04-16-2010

@Imadickens That's part of it, though, isn't it? The not knowing? Why haven't the parents taught their children that? Or, why DID they teach them to not eat meat?

In the end, there are so many reasons why we do or do not experience things that I don't think it's possible for people to not be judgmental in some ways; Life is not presented exactly the same way to each person, you know? Unless you choose a path of pure acceptance and tolerance and kindness and whatever else (thinking of some monkzenlifestyle), of course.