Cloistered Society - Page 4

CrazyDaisy · ‎03-20-2010

@chickenbutt wrote:
There are some religious societies that are pretty cloistered, even still. You are only allowed to believe certain things, think a certain way, and consider everybody who doesn't think like you, or believe what you believe, to be the dammed.

Stuff like that leaves a pretty narrow world view.

A narrow view of the world still would not make a person or society intolerant or not accepting of differences.

Someday, when scientists discover the center of the Universe....some people will be disappointed it is not them.

Noel7 · ‎03-09-2010

@Moonchilde wrote:
@itiswhatitis wrote:
@Moonchilde wrote:
I have known and continue to know people who firmly believe that if they haven't personally experienced something, don't have a close friend or family member who has experienced something, or "have never heard" of something - it simply doesn't exist, isn't true, cannot be and anyone who insists otherwise exaggerates, is a liar, stupid, etc., etc.

I have never seen a common denominator among them as to worldliness or lack thereof, insulation in a "community" or anything like that. In fact I'd say more the opposite in my personal experience - IMO it's often people who should "know better" as they *have* been exposed to a variety of peoples, situations and viewpoints.
What you describe is choice. No hindrances to knowledge of other cultures.

The OP asks:
Do you think people that grew up in or live socially cloistered lives tend to be more inflexible in their thinking, tolerance and acceptance of differences than those from more diverse communities?

For the purpose of this discussion "socially cloistered" means an environment where nearly everyone has the same background and exposures that would limit how they see society beyond their individual experiences (i.e., I've never seen/heard that, who would think that way, that can't be true).
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My response was that I don't believe being socially cloistered is the only, or even a major, deciding factor in intolerance. It *might* be, and sometimes is, but my own experience has been that the most UNcloistered have the capacity to be just as intolerant as anyone else.

CAN the socially isolated be intolerant? Yes.
Are ONLY the socially isolated intolerant? No.
Once socially isolated, always socially isolated, ever unchanging in outlook and POV? Perhaps, but not necessarily. It's not a given.

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I agree with you.

bonnielu · ‎03-11-2010

Quick response: Our daughters went to one of the best schools in our area (public school) in a neighborhood that was non diverse. My daughers opted to opt out after the first year and then went to one of our city schools. Reason: "mom we want to be part of the real world." This attitude has served them well.

jackthebear · ‎03-11-2010

Hassidic Jews and the Ultra Orthodox live in a world that has little to do with our world,

@Noel7 wrote:
How many truly cloistered settings are out there in America, I wonder.

TV alone lets in the worldly scene.

CrazyDaisy · ‎03-20-2010

@itiswhatitis wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@itiswhatitis wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
While that may be an interesting study,anyone posting here would only be doing so on conjecture or limited to their personal experiences.
Why do you say this @CrazyDaisy.
Because everyone will answer this question based upon thier own experience and belief system. As an example, if you have never met, spoken or gotten to know a person from the Amish community you will have a very different percieption than someone who has.
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That's not really true, there have been numerous studies on cloistered groups. These things are studied in Sociology and Anthropology.
Well since the question did not ask for the discussion of specific studies, rather individual answers I stand by my reply.
Yeah but @CrazyDaisy, the studies had outcomes. We're discussing those outcomes.

No the discussion is not the outcomes, it is each individuals belief. If you would like to referrence a study, then each of us could read it. Then we can discuss the outcome or conclusion of the study. Till then every response is based on the individuals experience and belief.

Someday, when scientists discover the center of the Universe....some people will be disappointed it is not them.

ChynnaBlue · ‎05-22-2012

@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@itiswhatitis wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
While that may be an interesting study,anyone posting here would only be doing so on conjecture or limited to their personal experiences.
Why do you say this @CrazyDaisy.
Because everyone will answer this question based upon thier own experience and belief system. As an example, if you have never met, spoken or gotten to know a person from the Amish community you will have a very different percieption than someone who has.

Or we can respond based on other evidence. Urban areas are more liberal than rural areas. Rural areas are much conservative.That's a fact and has been known for some time. It doesn't mean you won't find conservatives in the city or liberals in rural areas, but there's a definite pattern of cities being more liberal and rural areas being more conservative.

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Noel7 · ‎03-09-2010

@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@chickenbutt wrote:
There are some religious societies that are pretty cloistered, even still. You are only allowed to believe certain things, think a certain way, and consider everybody who doesn't think like you, or believe what you believe, to be the dammed.

Stuff like that leaves a pretty narrow world view.
A narrow view of the world still would not make a person or society intolerant or not accepting of differences.

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It usually does. If people aren't introduced to a variety of ideas they usually don't learn to think on their own, or they may not consider new information that challenges what they already think.

Noel7 · ‎03-09-2010

@jackthebear wrote:
Hassidic Jews and the Ultra Orthodox live in a world that has little to do with our world,

@Noel7 wrote:
How many truly cloistered settings are out there in America, I wonder.

TV alone lets in the worldly scene.

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@jackthebear

Yes, that's true for most.

Noel7 · ‎03-09-2010

@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@itiswhatitis wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@itiswhatitis wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
While that may be an interesting study,anyone posting here would only be doing so on conjecture or limited to their personal experiences.
Why do you say this @CrazyDaisy.
Because everyone will answer this question based upon thier own experience and belief system. As an example, if you have never met, spoken or gotten to know a person from the Amish community you will have a very different percieption than someone who has.
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That's not really true, there have been numerous studies on cloistered groups. These things are studied in Sociology and Anthropology.
Well since the question did not ask for the discussion of specific studies, rather individual answers I stand by my reply.
Yeah but @CrazyDaisy, the studies had outcomes. We're discussing those outcomes.
No the discussion is not the outcomes, it is each individuals belief. If you would like to referrence a study, then each of us could read it. Then we can discuss the outcome or conclusion of the study. Till then every response is based on the individuals experience and belief.

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Definitely not true, thank goodness.

Oostende · ‎03-14-2010

I don't really think so.

I do think some human beings tend toward the "tribal" and only associate with others who share their same views.

There was a thread here about dating a member of the opposite political party. I was astonished at how many people declared they could never see the viewpoint of a person on the opposite side of the aisle.

Of course, politics frequently brings out the baser instincts in people, but I still think some people are just more prone to think "tribally" and "cloister " themselves by only surrounding themselves with people who share their same views.

It's a shame. It's a rich old world out there.