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What does the term "successful rehabilitation" for drug or alcohol addiction mean?

Started 1374017580.69 in Viewpoints | Last reply 1374191710.13 by mysterylady
Brian Williams stated tonight that Corey Moncrief died of a overdose of heroin and alcohol. he then stated that he had undergone "successful rehabilitation" in the past. How can someone undergo"successful rehabilitation" and then continue to feed their addiction. doesn't sound like it was "successful" to me. What does this term mean anyway?


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tansy1374017740.98727858 PostsRegistered 4/19/2005
After watching people go in and out of rehab, I'm jaded-/ I wish I knew how to cure people for life.

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winamac11374017797.37331406 PostsRegistered 12/29/2010Indiana
Btw thanks Gidget!

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Escher1374017931.7232115 PostsRegistered 10/24/2012Where?

No idea what "successful rehab" is for drug/alcohol....I thought they say they're always in recovery....?

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wookie1374018001.2778920 PostsRegistered 4/30/2006

I take it to mean he had successfully detoxed, and completed the counseling.

It seems that once someone gets hooked on drugs, for some. the craving remains for a long, long time.

It's really sad.

mysterylady1374019143.23726 PostsRegistered 8/23/2009

I spent 25 yrs. working in the field so I'll try to shed some light. A person can be successful in a particular level of treatment but it says nothing about the long-term prognosis. I would assume he spend a specific number of days in an inpatient program (many leave before this is achieved) but that is only the beginning of the treatment, which is not gererally known. The most successful patients agree to about a year of various levels of treatment and continue with 12-step programs for life.

Of those addicted, only about 1/3 remain drug-free for life, about 1/3 have multiple attempts at rehab, and about 1/3 can't remain straight and may not survive the addiction. This is both a rewarding and depressing field in which to work. Very difficult for the patient.

KathyPet1374019875.048326 PostsRegistered 1/25/2006Beautiful Shenandoah Valley of Virginia
It sounds as if he successfully completed inpatient therapy but it would appear as if that is only the first step in therapy and hardly constitutes "successful rehabilitation"


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wookie1374020012.3738920 PostsRegistered 4/30/2006
On 7/16/2013 mysterylady said:

I spent 25 yrs. working in the field so I'll try to shed some light. A person can be successful in a particular level of treatment but it says nothing about the long-term prognosis. I would assume he spend a specific number of days in an inpatient program (many leave before this is achieved) but that is only the beginning of the treatment, which is not gererally known. The most successful patients agree to about a year of various levels of treatment and continue with 12-step programs for life.

Of those addicted, only about 1/3 remain drug-free for life, about 1/3 have multiple attempts at rehab, and about 1/3 can't remain straight and may not survive the addiction. This is both a rewarding and depressing field in which to work. Very difficult for the patient.

Thank you very much for the explanation.Smile

Andrewsgra­ndma1374020038.33733 PostsRegistered 9/2/2006Phx

My understanding is that rehab has an 80% relapse rate. Imo, I would only consider successful rehab as someone who does not relapse for the rest of their life.

aprildreams1374022890.491395 PostsRegistered 5/2/2007

It's an insidious, progressive disease that, IMO, is not understood by the medical profession. I'm an RN and have addiction in my family, so I've seen it from both sides.

mysterylady1374025140.38726 PostsRegistered 8/23/2009
On 7/16/2013 Andrewsgrandma said:

My understanding is that rehab has an 80% relapse rate. Imo, I would only consider successful rehab as someone who does not relapse for the rest of their life.

In the field, successful completion is viewed for each level - detox, inpatient, halfway house, intensive outpatient and outpatient, the full continuum of care. "Successful" means if a person were sent to complete 1 month, they stayed one month and participated and "appeared to internalize the treatment. Many times when a person participates in multiple treatments, they know all the right things to say. A therapist can't know what's really in the patient's mind. So one can be successful at inpatient and unsuccessful at, say halfway house, etc.

They need to change people, places and things. Perhaps being in Canada was a reminder of places where he previously "used" or maybe he reunited with some "old friends/connections" while there. We'll likely never know.

aprildreams - I also know how difficult it can be from both sides. I had a close friend who didn't survive addiction, even though he "successfully completed" various levels of treatment numerous times.

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Maggie No­lia1374025799.234093 PostsRegistered 11/8/2012
On 7/16/2013 Andrewsgrandma said:

My understanding is that rehab has an 80% relapse rate. Imo, I would only consider successful rehab as someone who does not relapse for the rest of their life.

Me, too.






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Heiress-in­FL1374026442.8033529 PostsRegistered 10/9/2012The Bluegrass State (transplant :)

What does the term "successful rehabilitation" for drug or alcohol addiction mean?

"Successsful rehabilitation" (IMO) means entering rehab for treatment and once you're released, you're able to live your life alcohol free (or drug-free) for the remainderr of your life. ---Versus.... Drinking on the job, then driving afterwards (so stupid), then claiming to be brand new to the Q-board with a new nic, then in 'phyiscal therapy' for 'back injuries'. That's a strange world, like the Land of Oz-- "Auntie Em!" (or is it Aunt Esther?). Wink

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mysterylady1374029403.4726 PostsRegistered 8/23/2009
On 7/16/2013 Heiress-inFL said:

What does the term "successful rehabilitation" for drug or alcohol addiction mean?

"Successsful rehabilitation" (IMO) means entering rehab for treatment and once you're released, you're able to live your life alcohol free (or drug-free) for the remainderr of your life. ---

Very idealistic but I don't think it coincides with that of most physicians and Certified Addictions Counselors believe. If that were the case then why are there so many who relapse after treatment. We're talking about a chronic, progressive disease vs. the flu or a cold. It's definitely not "one and done" for thse who're addicted.

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WriteLady1374029878.79491 PostsRegistered 3/17/2010
On 7/16/2013 mysterylady said:
On 7/16/2013 Heiress-inFL said:

"Successsful rehabilitation" (IMO) means entering rehab for treatment and once you're released, you're able to live your life alcohol free (or drug-free) for the remainderr of your life. ---

Very idealistic but I don't think it coincides with that of most physicians and Certified Addictions Counselors believe. If that were the case then why are there so many who relapse after treatment. We're talking about a chronic, progressive disease vs. the flu or a cold. It's definitely not "one and done" for thse who're addicted.

Very true, mysterylady. The disease is chronic and progressive. Rehab is just the beginning.....recovery is a lifelong process.

esmeraldag­ooch1374030544.8812306 PostsRegistered 1/7/2008Adopt a Rescue Pet, who rescues who?
On 7/16/2013 WriteLady said:
On 7/16/2013 mysterylady said:
On 7/16/2013 Heiress-inFL said:

"Successsful rehabilitation" (IMO) means entering rehab for treatment and once you're released, you're able to live your life alcohol free (or drug-free) for the remainderr of your life. ---

Very idealistic but I don't think it coincides with that of most physicians and Certified Addictions Counselors believe. If that were the case then why are there so many who relapse after treatment. We're talking about a chronic, progressive disease vs. the flu or a cold. It's definitely not "one and done" for thse who're addicted.

Very true, mysterylady. The disease is chronic and progressive. Rehab is just the beginning.....recovery is a lifelong process.

Have to agree with this too. Very sad but hopefully a lesson to those who are also affected and see what happened to this talented man.

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57babe1374030753.0338638 PostsRegistered 8/21/2010

"Successful rehabilitation" means that the person is no longer using illegal drugs, IMO.


raven-blac­kbird1374031087.614706 PostsRegistered 1/2/2009California
On 7/16/2013 57babe said:

"Successful rehabilitation" means that the person is no longer using illegal drugs, IMO.

I think it means the person has learned the skills necessary to control their addiction and have exhibited that ability........ as long as they are implementing those tools they can stay on top of the disease.........but it's a day by day, hour by hour disease, which many relapse back into the "old ways".................................................raven

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WriteLady1374031129.43491 PostsRegistered 3/17/2010
On 7/16/2013 57babe said:

"Successful rehabilitation" means that the person is no longer using illegal drugs, IMO.

Yes, but people get addicted to legal drugs too -- alcohol and pain pills, for instance.

57babe1374031612.9078638 PostsRegistered 8/21/2010
On 7/16/2013 WriteLady said:
On 7/16/2013 57babe said:

"Successful rehabilitation" means that the person is no longer using <em>illegal</em> drugs, IMO.

Yes, but people get addicted to legal drugs too -- alcohol and pain pills, for instance.

I think it might be a legal term? Yes, I understand about the other addictions.

Almost impossible to stay clean after starting drugs at such a young age.

Very sad. :(


Irshgrl312­011374032768.5114791 PostsRegistered 3/14/2006

I have a close friend that is fighting addiction. She has been drug free for over 5 yrs but it is always a fight.

The very easiest part is the detox. I went to an NA meeting and a therapist was there. He said the drug habit is like turning on the water in every faucet in the house and letting them run until everything is under water and ruined. Once you get out of rehab you have the task or reparing all the damage the water did. I thought that was a good analogy. She said there have been people in her classes that have been completely drug free for 10 yrs and more and have gone back to using so you are never really free from it.

Lotus~1374032801.9235752 PostsRegistered 6/23/2006Long Island, NY

IMO there is no such thing as a successful rehab.

An alcoholic or a drug user is in recovery for the rest of their lives.

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Irshgrl312­011374033054.88314791 PostsRegistered 3/14/2006
On 7/16/2013 Maggie Nolia said:
On 7/16/2013 Andrewsgrandma said:

My understanding is that rehab has an 80% relapse rate. Imo, I would only consider successful rehab as someone who does not relapse for the rest of their life.

Me, too.

It is actually in the 90s%. They say 96% of drug users relapse at least once. I think if someone stays clean for 1 yr has a relapse but keeps trying, it is successful. One of my friends has been clean for 5 yrs and she relapsed several time but her counselor always would tell her when she would come to him ashamed of herself that she should only be ashamed if you fall back and not fall forward and that is what she has done. I have been to several of her meetings and I learned so much. It is the hardest thing a person can do.

57babe1374033442.638638 PostsRegistered 8/21/2010

Friend of mine has been in rehab 6,7 times. Can't seem to stay off drugs.

Drug addiction is a terrible thing.


Free2be1374033603.39311060 PostsRegistered 6/7/2006

Heiress, I deleted everything I began to post here to you. I will instead do the right thing and keep it short: You are such a horrid personality to write what you did. You never cease to amaze how far to the bottom you'll go. That's all.

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On 7/16/2013 Free2be said:

Heiress, I deleted everything I began to post here to you. I will instead to the right thing and keep it short: You are such a horrid personality to write what you did. You never cease to amaze how far to the bottom you'll go. That's all.

So true.{#emotions_dlg.thumbup1}

Stop fighting over who created the world and fight against the people who are destroying it.

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